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Melth
Feb 16, 2015

Victory and/or death!

Lunethex posted:

In a battle between Zeus and Loki who would win then?

I'm sure Loki would come back from a nine month absence with a baby pony-swan and a great story about how there was definitely, really, for sure a battle that he won.


SirSamVimes posted:

The mental image of Odysseus arriving with an army of heavy cavalry to come to the rescue only to find the smouldering ruins of Gargarensis' fortresses is hilarious.

Sure is! I wish we had someone like Orange Fluffy Sheep around to draw cartoons of these great AoM moments.

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Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
That was a much better way to handle a defense map.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



That was glorious, how do you mean defensive challenge.

Danger-Pumpkin
Apr 27, 2008

That's the way the bee bumbles.
Astounding! So what's next? Are there any campaigns in the expansions? It'd be a shame to never see the Chinese deities in action.

Melth
Feb 16, 2015

Victory and/or death!

Danger-Pumpkin posted:

Astounding! So what's next? Are there any campaigns in the expansions? It'd be a shame to never see the Chinese deities in action.

Nobody spoil it for this fellow!

There are indeed campaigns in both of the expansions, so I will be playing both of those. Plus there's another bonus campaign called the Golden Gift. I'm still deciding on the order.

Danger-Pumpkin
Apr 27, 2008

That's the way the bee bumbles.
OOOOOOH!! Can't wait! I hope you do more mythology discussion as well, since I know so very very little of the Chinese.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Melth posted:

Nobody spoil it for this fellow!

There are indeed campaigns in both of the expansions, so I will be playing both of those. Plus there's another bonus campaign called the Golden Gift. I'm still deciding on the order.

I hope you do it in order of release as I do want to see how you handle what was added in the first expansion.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?
I love this LP even though I could never play AOM like this, I know its just me being inefficient, but its just seems much more fun that way.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Our knowledge of Norse mythology is also heavily colored by christianity. Not only are the Eddas written by a christian monk(s) centuries after his country officially converted to christianity(albeit in a diplomatic manner with a don't-ask-don't-tell attitude towards secret heathenry), since the stories were never codified in the first place, they intermingled with the stories told by early christian missionaries. The end result is that Loki became something of a devil-figure while Baldr became a Jesus-analogue. There's no doubt that not only are we missing out on a lot of myths, we're also missing out on various regional variations of said myths; the veneration of various gods depended on the region, at least according to toponymy.

Also, I seem to recall one version of the myth about Thor's hammer state that while the shaft was too short normally, it would grow when he rubbed it :wiggle:

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker

Cythereal posted:

Half of Norse mythology could be summarized as "Loki had sex with a WHAT?!"

Rick Riordan had a good deal of fun with that. Two of the main characters are children of Loki. Loki was the father for one of them, and the mother for the other.

I was once in a Scion game (Tabletop RPG where the characters are children of the Gods (various pantheons) in the modern era) where one character was the child of Loki and Elvis.

Loki totally would.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

AJ_Impy posted:

I was once in a Scion game (Tabletop RPG where the characters are children of the Gods (various pantheons) in the modern era) where one character was the child of Loki and Elvis.

Loki totally would.

The books also feature the two children of Loki rather tiredly addressing Fenrir and Jormungandr as their brothers. As is Sleipneir (Odin's horse).

The protagonist gets off lucky, he's a son of Freyr.

White Coke
May 29, 2015

Boksi posted:

Also, I seem to recall one version of the myth about Thor's hammer state that while the shaft was too short normally, it would grow when he rubbed it :wiggle:

I've only heard the version where it was short because Loki sabotaged the dwarfs making it so Thor needed to use special gloves to hold and catch it after he threw it.

Zagglezig
Oct 16, 2012

Melth posted:

I'm sure Loki would come back from a nine month absence with a baby pony-swan and a great story about how there was definitely, really, for sure a battle that he won.

This got me thinking about some of Zeus' other famous transformed outings, and thinking of Loki as the woman on each occasion. The imagined child was basically the pokemon Swablu/Altaria, which sometimes puked up gold.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Melth, I love how you keep saying "you're not supposed to be able to do this", right as you do exactly "this". I think it's my favourite part of your style, along with your extensive knowledge of mythology and ancient history. Keep up the good work!

Sir Mat of Dickie
Jul 19, 2012

"There is no solitude greater than that of the samurai unless it be that of a tiger in the jungle... perhaps..."
I replayed the campaign on Titan difficulty "the normal way" a couple of years ago and I love watching you completely wreck this game, Melth

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
That was beautiful. There are no other words.

Melth
Feb 16, 2015

Victory and/or death!

mortons stork posted:

Melth, I love how you keep saying "you're not supposed to be able to do this", right as you do exactly "this". I think it's my favourite part of your style, along with your extensive knowledge of mythology and ancient history. Keep up the good work!


anilEhilated posted:

That was beautiful. There are no other words.


Sir Mat of Dickie posted:

I replayed the campaign on Titan difficulty "the normal way" a couple of years ago and I love watching you completely wreck this game, Melth

Thanks, guys!

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


I admit at first I thought it was disappointing when it seemed that this was going to be a gimmick speedrun playthrough instead of a normal one but I quickly learned to enjoy seeing Age of Mythology being broken over your knee and now I wouldn't have it any other way.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015
I'm in agreement with the others. Seeing you break this stuff over your knee is a joy.

Not my playstyle though. I admit to enjoying taking my time with stuff. In particular, I've always loved defensive maps, as I enjoy turtling up and watching enemies break themselves upon my defenses. Oh, some of the ridiculous castle-mazes I've made in Age of Empires 2...

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I like that it actually ended up being possible for you to go clear out the base in the time they gave you to survive. Self-imposed challenges like that are pretty great when the game doesn't shut them down with bullshit defense cannons or whatever.

Melth
Feb 16, 2015

Victory and/or death!

Glazius posted:

I like that it actually ended up being possible for you to go clear out the base in the time they gave you to survive. Self-imposed challenges like that are pretty great when the game doesn't shut them down with bullshit defense cannons or whatever.

They tried that on the Trojan horse level with dozens of towers on unreachable cliffs and no siege weapons allowed for the player. I beat it anyway :P

MinistryofLard
Mar 22, 2013


Goblin babies did nothing wrong.


BlazetheInferno posted:

I'm in agreement with the others. Seeing you break this stuff over your knee is a joy.

Not my playstyle though. I admit to enjoying taking my time with stuff. In particular, I've always loved defensive maps, as I enjoy turtling up and watching enemies break themselves upon my defenses. Oh, some of the ridiculous castle-mazes I've made in Age of Empires 2...

I love defensive maps too - one of my favourite missions in an RTS was in Empires Dawn of the Modern World, where at one point there's a little fort you have to defend with a handful of anti personel siege weapons (Korean fire carts, in context). The idea is that you defend it as long as you can, with a guaranteed failure inevitable, and you will receive reinforcements for the remainder will of the mission depending on how many respawning enemies you kill during the fort defense segment.

It turns out that you can position the five carts to basically hold out inevitably - I vaguely remember getting well over 1000 unit kills as a child before I got bored. Unfortunately your reinforcements cap out after a point.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?
Yeah Empires Dawn of the Modern World was great, loved the campaign modes for that, I remember using a cheat code so I get max amount of those fire carts to continue firing at the Japanese invaders until I killed at least 5,000 of them before their cannons finally destroyed the gate. I wish I could find that game on steam, there are some many great RTSs lost to the sands of time. I'm still mad I could never get a computer to run Paraworld since it was like a game I dreamed up of (Dinosaur army RTS!!)

ssmagus
Apr 2, 2010
Assmagus, LPer ass-traordinaire
Empires was drat good game, I still have my CD's for it. Too bad it straight doesn't load on win 10.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

ssmagus posted:

Empires was drat good game, I still have my CD's for it. Too bad it straight doesn't load on win 10.
The GoG version does. :)

But I wasn't very impressed with the game, it mostly felt like a more modern version of Empire Earth with even more "dumbed down" options for units and buildings. To make it clear I didn't hate it or anything, I just didn't like it particularly much. Oh and the Korea campaign was indeed the best.

Asehujiko
Apr 6, 2011
What is the planned order for the other campaigns? Golden Gift next? Or Titans first so GG doesn't come so soon after the base game Norse campaign?

MinistryofLard
Mar 22, 2013


Goblin babies did nothing wrong.


ssmagus posted:

Empires was drat good game, I still have my CD's for it. Too bad it straight doesn't load on win 10.

It does! The final patch included the removal of CD authentication, which is the offending issue in Windows 10: if you download and install the last patch, it will load properly without needing the disc.

One of these days I might do an Empires LP; like AoM, it had great campaigns and some interesting ideas but I suspect the MP was likely lacking.

To bring it back, what was the AoM mp scene like before Extended Edition? Did it have the staying power that Age of Empires 2 did?


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Sir Mat of Dickie
Jul 19, 2012

"There is no solitude greater than that of the samurai unless it be that of a tiger in the jungle... perhaps..."
"BoIt" on youtube posts videos with commentary on AoM matches between top players; they're pretty fun to watch. There appears to be a small community, not nearly as large as AoE2's multiplayer scene

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Sir Mat of Dickie posted:

"BoIt" on youtube posts videos with commentary on AoM matches between top players; they're pretty fun to watch. There appears to be a small community, not nearly as large as AoE2's multiplayer scene

I was going to link to that but you beat me to it; it's this channel in case people can't find it: youtube.com/channel/UCDkpiNXiZdzGgvZcGHtGV2A
The casting isn't 100% perfect but the guy does know a lot about the competitive scene.

I stopped playing AoM:TT online around 2008 and/or when ESO (the online servers) died. There was a replacement for matching and stuff modded into the game IIRC but that shrank the community a lot. I think the game is still being played in very smallscale tournaments once in a while but it's effectively dead outside of EE nowadays.

Melth
Feb 16, 2015

Victory and/or death!
Time for the final phase of the campaign!

Fall of the Trident Mission 31: Welcome Back

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
Huh, I don't remember this level existing. My memory goes "Kemsyt head reveal -> Finale" for some reason.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Welp, that was quick. Insanely so, as usual.

Using the underworld gate like that saved a ton of time. Nice. :)

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

HGH posted:

Huh, I don't remember this level existing. My memory goes "Kemsyt head reveal -> Finale" for some reason.

Considering what Melth did to that level it is an easy mistake to make.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015
Wait, the prisoners are actually invincible?

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Another one bites the dust, really looking forward to the final mission.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Oh hey a melth mythology vid--- and it's over

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?
count me as another person who honestly does not remember this mission at all

Melth
Feb 16, 2015

Victory and/or death!

BlazetheInferno posted:

Wait, the prisoners are actually invincible?

Yep! It was the laziest possible way to make their guards not kill them. Plus, as I've said, this game is REALLY determined not to make escort missions suck.



Mazerunner posted:

count me as another person who honestly does not remember this mission at all

I think I remember it better than the next one myself.



Poil posted:

Welp, that was quick. Insanely so, as usual.

Using the underworld gate like that saved a ton of time. Nice. :)

Thanks!

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
What was the goal in that mission?

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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


cheetah7071 posted:

What was the goal in that mission?

Firstly, build a town center. Secondly, rescue imprisoned Atlanteans. By design, that would involve a slog through a heavily forified island with several bases and large armies. How Melth did it, it took five minutes.

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