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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Serious Hardware/Software Crap > YOSPOS > Security Fuckup Megathread - v14.1 - Hello, is this a delivery order?

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Blinkz0rz posted:

that's the next step i think but our platform engineering team will have to update a bunch of our cookbooks because we do a lot of janky ubuntu-specific stuff

I�ve a big write heavy column store workload that we�ve not patched yet, going to need to bench it to see if its as hosed :smithicide:

:smithicide:

# ? Jan 22, 2018 14:01

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 14:11

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

bob dobbs is dead posted:

It's either your house or a walled city

Manhattan is definitely not a house but definitely a city
So the real rules lawyering is calling that string a wall

Orange Hitler is probably going to do a similar thing, lol

I'm sure there has been more than one synod trying to define what exactly a "wall" is.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 14:07

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

And just like that we�ve found a solution for America�s southern border.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 14:12

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Might I suggest a series of border forts to keep the ~~Germans~~Mexicans at bay?

# ? Jan 22, 2018 14:16

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

mrmcd posted:

It's called an eruv and it usually encompasses orthodox neighborhoods or small towns, not all of NYC.

it's not literally all of nyc but it does enclose a chunk of manhattan large enough that people inside it probably don't need to change their behaviors at all

# ? Jan 22, 2018 14:29

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

haveblue posted:

it's not literally all of nyc but it does enclose a chunk of manhattan large enough that people inside it probably don't need to change their behaviors at all

Oh, huh, yeah I didn't know about the Manhattan one. I thought it was just the orthodox neighborhoods of Brooklyn and those strange all orthodox towns in LI and NJ that did that.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 14:35

Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

Truga posted:

says poster on an internet forum, in a post 2016 world

Yes. I still choose to believe that there is a baseline of sanity in people. :v:

:v:

# ? Jan 22, 2018 16:19

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

jre posted:

I�ve a big write heavy column store workload that we�ve not patched yet, going to need to bench it to see if its as hosed

you're likely fine if it is a decent column store and a use-case appropriate for a column store, they are after all naturally quite bulk-oriented

ye olde sql databases being hard hit is a symptom of performance issues that they already had from a design more fitting for 60s hardware, and "modern" key-value-stores being hard hit is a symptom of them being pretty stupid

# ? Jan 22, 2018 16:30

geonetix: Mar 6, 2011

Xarn posted:

Yes. I still choose to believe that there is a baseline of sanity in people.

let us know how that works out for you

# ? Jan 22, 2018 16:37

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

Xarn posted:

Yes. I still choose to believe that there is a baseline of sanity in people.

....why?

# ? Jan 22, 2018 16:56

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

i mean as far as things go that one's actually pretty reasonable in context. if you're super duper strict about your islam, entering into an arbitration clause with a company is probably pretty bad since you're basically giving them authority that should be held by a religious court.

though i also assumed it was fake because generally "islam is so kraAaAaAzy!" stories tend to be made up or hugely exaggerated

# ? Jan 22, 2018 17:16

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

ate all the Oreos posted:

i mean as far as things go that one's actually pretty reasonable in context. if you're super duper strict about your islam, entering into an arbitration clause with a company is probably pretty bad since you're basically giving them authority that should be held by a religious court.

though i also assumed it was fake because generally "islam is so kraAaAaAzy!" stories tend to be made up or hugely exaggerated

can always just find the one oddball who is actually kraAaAaAzy to keep the dog whistle news coming

# ? Jan 22, 2018 17:51

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Linus is still saying Intel is half adding it on microcosm patches and are not taking this seriously

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/01/22/0648227/linus-torvalds-calls-intel-patches-complete-and-utter-garbage

# ? Jan 22, 2018 17:59

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

Truga posted:

kosher lamps are one of my favourite silly things

some buildings in new york have elevators with a "shabbat mode" which makes it just ride up and down all day, stopping on every floor so it can be used without requiring "work" on the part of the passenger in the form of pushing a button

i wonder, given that modern elevators have infrared safety sensors on the doors, does it count as operating an electric device since just by walking through the door your body breaks the beam and triggers the safety switch?

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:13

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

The_Franz posted:

some buildings in new york have elevators with a "shabbat mode" which makes it just ride up and down all day, stopping on every floor so it can be used without requiring "work" on the part of the passenger in the form of pushing a button

i wonder, given that modern elevators have infrared safety sensors on the doors, does it count as operating an electric device since just by walking through the door your body breaks the beam and triggers the safety switch?

i think the electric restriction is specifically about the possibility of sparks, so if it's wholly solid state it might be ok?

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:14

Bunni-kat: May 25, 2010; Service Desk B-b-bunny...
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The_Franz posted:

i wonder, given that modern elevators have infrared safety sensors on the doors, does it count as operating an electric device since just by walking through the door your body breaks the beam and triggers the safety switch?

I would assume not, as the safety sensor is doing it of its own volition, and would be sensing no matter what, same as the elevator moving.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:19

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

so if a spark is lighting a fire, what do people do in the winter when walking across the room turns you into a human taser

e: of course that's been answered

quote:

http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=2687

Hacham Ovadia Yosef addresses this question in his Hazon Ovadia (vol. 6 pp. 107-109), and he rules that it is permissible to wear such a garment on Shabbat, even if one knows for certain that static electricity will be produced. He explains that to begin with, producing a spark � as opposed to an actual flame � is in general forbidden only on the level of Mi�de�rabbanan (Rabbinic enactment), as opposed to Torah law. The Gemara establishes that �Nisosot En Bahem Mamash� � sparks are not significant, and thus do not violate the Torah prohibition of Mab�ir. Igniting a spark is forbidden only on the level of Rabbinic enactment. This point was also made by the Ben Ish Hai (Rav Yosef Haim of Baghdad, 1833-1909), in responding to a question posed to him by a man who had struck a match on Shabbat and produced a spark. The man wanted to know how he should go about repenting for this violation, and in his response the Ben Ish Hai noted that the man had not committed a Torah violation, but rather a Rabbinic enactment.

Hacham Ovadia proceeds to explain that when it comes to a prohibition enacted by the Sages, we may be lenient in situations of �Pesik Resheh� � where one has no intention to perform the forbidden act. There is a famous ruling of the Aruch which permits performing an action on Shabbat even though it will inevitably result in a Shabbat violation, as long as one has no interest in that result. An example is the practice that was common long ago to use a stone to prepare oneself for defecation, a process which inevitably results in removing hair. The Aruch permits such a practice on Shabbat, since one has no intention to remove hair. Another example would be candles placed near a door on Shabbat, such that the flames will flicker every time the door opens because of the wind. The Aruch would permit opening the door, even though this causes the flame to rise and then descend (which violates the prohibition of Mab�ir), since the person has no interest in causing this effect.

The Shulhan Aruch rules stringently in both cases, and maintains that one may not perform an act that will invariably result in a Shabbat violation. However, Hacham Ovadia asserts that the Shulhan Aruch would likely rule leniently if the violation at stake is forbidden only Mi�derabbanan. Although the Shulhan Aruch does not accept the Aruch�s position permitting actions that result in Torah violations, we can assume that he would accept this position with regard to prohibitions enacted by the Sages. Therefore, when it comes to producing static electricity, which entails a Rabbinic violation, it is permissible when this result is unintended. This is certainly the case when one wears clothing which creates static electricity � as he has no intention whatsoever to create electricity � and it is therefore permissible to wear such clothing on Shabbat.

Summary: It is permissible to wear on Shabbat clothing which creates static electricity.

wait back up what's this about the assfoliating poo poo rock

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:23

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

flakeloaf posted:

wait back up what's this about the assfoliating poo poo rock

it's forbidden to tear toilet paper on shabbat

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:28

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

extremely

:goonsay:

but idk maybe ppl ought to observe the intended interpretation of "hey maybe chilling out on the weekend is good and healthy and you shouldn't feel a moral obligation to work yourself to death". which is in fact what the majority of jewish people do with the exception of a relative minority of humorless crazies.

otoh christianity turned an extremely socialist brown dude into some nordic looking white guy who is extremely cool with rampant accumulation of material wealth

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:31

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

automatic doors pose a real problem for shabbat observers and the most orthodox deal with this by hanging around the door until a gentile opens it and then dashing through before the sensor resets

source: my mom who works at a yeshiva

flakeloaf posted:

wait back up what's this about the assfoliating poo poo rock

most people just called that nu-metal

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:31

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

i suppose i can see why the strict observance of the sabbath has remained such a big deal given that the 40 hour work week is a relatively recent invention that only fairly recent generations have taken for granted

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:34

FAT32 SHAMER: Aug 16, 2012

haveblue posted:

automatic doors pose a real problem for shabbat observers and the most orthodox deal with this by hanging around the door until a gentile opens it and then dashing through before the sensor resets

source: my mom who works at a yeshiva

do they know that they still activate the switch which resets the "hold_door_open()" counter or whatever

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:35

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

univbee posted:

yeah the jewish interpretation of god is impressed by humans rules lawyering him, it's different from christianity where trying to pull a fast one on god is a good way to get dead

the new york eruv (the wire "house") costs like $100k/year to maintain and before the shabbat the people in charge of it do a drive-around to make sure the wire is intact and not in need of repairs or other maintenance

lol i had no idea about this, judaism owns

# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:39

canis minor: May 4, 2011

CommieGIR posted:

Linus is still saying Intel is half adding it on microcosm patches and are not taking this seriously

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/01/22/0648227/linus-torvalds-calls-intel-patches-complete-and-utter-garbage

Entire thread is worth reading (I mean http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1801.2/04628.html thread, not slashdot thread)

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:00

PIZZA.BAT: Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/SheriffClarkeTC/status/955509547283763200/video/1

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:10

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

shoulda been a demoscene vid imo

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:22

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Sapozhnik posted:

extremely but idk maybe ppl ought to observe the intended interpretation of "hey maybe chilling out on the weekend is good and healthy and you shouldn't feel a moral obligation to work yourself to death". which is in fact what the majority of jewish people do with the exception of a relative minority of humorless crazies.

i'm pretty sure this is literally what jesus' core point was

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:23

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

i'll admit i'm not jewish in the least, not even in family (in fact my ancestors are german which makes this even more awkward!) so sorry to any jews for kinda gawking at your whole culture, i just find all the legal stuff absolutely fascinating :shobon:

:shobon:

like how there's 613 commandments, i mean geez :aaaaa:

:aaaaa:

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:25

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

ate all the Oreos posted:

i'll admit i'm not jewish in the least, not even in family (in fact my ancestors are german which makes this even more awkward!) so sorry to any jews for kinda gawking at your whole culture, i just find all the legal stuff absolutely fascinating

like how there's 613 commandments, i mean geez

when you think about it a lot of religions are going to have about that many things they say to do or not do, once one sets about counting them.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:45

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

fishmech posted:

when you think about it a lot of religions are going to have about that many things they say to do or not do, once one sets about counting them.

Not any of the good ones

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:50

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

evil_bunnY posted:

yeah that one is such a �gently caress you god, we do what we want� lawyer move I love it

[An oven] that was cut into parts and sand was placed between the parts, Rabbi Eliezer maintained that it is pure (i.e., not susceptible to ritual impurity). The other sages said that it is susceptible to ritual impurity....

On that day, Rabbi Eliezer brought them all sorts of proofs, but they were rejected. Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, may the carob tree prove it." The carob tree was uprooted from its place a distance of 100 cubits. Others say, 400 cubits. Said they to him: "One cannot prove anything from a carob tree."

Said [Rabbi Eliezer] to them: "If the law is as I say, may the aqueduct prove it." The water in the aqueduct began to flow backwards. Said they to him: "One cannot prove anything from an aqueduct."

Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, then may the walls of the house of study prove it." The walls of the house of study began to cave in. Rabbi Joshua rebuked them, "If Torah scholars are debating a point of Jewish law, what are your qualifications to intervene?" The walls did not fall, in deference to Rabbi Joshua, nor did they straighten up, in deference to Rabbi Eliezer. They still stand there at a slant.

Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, may it be proven from heaven!" There then issued a heavenly voice which proclaimed: "What do you want of Rabbi Eliezer � the law is as he says..."

Rabbi Joshua stood on his feet and said: "'The Torah is not in heaven!'" ... We take no notice of heavenly voices, since You, G‑d, have already, at Sinai, written in the Torah to 'follow the majority.'"

Rabbi Nathan subsequently met Elijah the Prophet and asked him: "What did G‑d do at that moment?" [Elijah] replied: "He smiled and said: 'My children have triumphed over Me, My children have triumphed over Me.'"

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:52

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

atomicthumbs posted:

[An oven] that was cut into parts and sand was placed between the parts, Rabbi Eliezer maintained that it is pure (i.e., not susceptible to ritual impurity). The other sages said that it is susceptible to ritual impurity....

On that day, Rabbi Eliezer brought them all sorts of proofs, but they were rejected. Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, may the carob tree prove it." The carob tree was uprooted from its place a distance of 100 cubits. Others say, 400 cubits. Said they to him: "One cannot prove anything from a carob tree."

Said [Rabbi Eliezer] to them: "If the law is as I say, may the aqueduct prove it." The water in the aqueduct began to flow backwards. Said they to him: "One cannot prove anything from an aqueduct."

Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, then may the walls of the house of study prove it." The walls of the house of study began to cave in. Rabbi Joshua rebuked them, "If Torah scholars are debating a point of Jewish law, what are your qualifications to intervene?" The walls did not fall, in deference to Rabbi Joshua, nor did they straighten up, in deference to Rabbi Eliezer. They still stand there at a slant.

Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, may it be proven from heaven!" There then issued a heavenly voice which proclaimed: "What do you want of Rabbi Eliezer � the law is as he says..."

Rabbi Joshua stood on his feet and said: "'The Torah is not in heaven!'" ... We take no notice of heavenly voices, since You, G‑d, have already, at Sinai, written in the Torah to 'follow the majority.'"

Rabbi Nathan subsequently met Elijah the Prophet and asked him: "What did G‑d do at that moment?" [Elijah] replied: "He smiled and said: 'My children have triumphed over Me, My children have triumphed over Me.'"

tl;dr

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:21

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

Rufus Ping posted:

tl;dr

jewish God approves of people rules-lawyering the poo poo out of Him

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:24

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

Ciaphas posted:

jewish God approves of people rules-lawyering the poo poo out of Him

never trust a manager that goes "I'm sure you'll figure it out. if its in the spec doc i dont care"

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:30

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

Security loving Megathread - Hello, is this a religion thread?

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:36

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

apart from the whole pillars of salt and fire and brimstone stuff during his edgy teenage god days jewish god seems like a p relaxed fella. when some rabbi finds a loophole in the torah he goes "poo poo, you got me there" and goes back to playing divine simcity

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:41

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Rufus Ping posted:

tl;dr

fishmech is jewish

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:42

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

hobbesmaster posted:

fishmech is a free swimming gundam

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:50

420 SWAGLORD: Apr 20, 2014; saban bajramovic

Potato Salad posted:

Security loving Megathread - Hello, is this a religion thread?

Bunch of rabbi lookin for exploits in the Law of Moses. Torah is a old, buggy implementation of Yahweh's will and you'd better believe they're gonna take advantage of that. With a single loop of string all of Manhattan becomes open to you during Shabbat. Elohim's own secfuck, 1962.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 21:57

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 14:11

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

thought all these posts were about blizzard v. tavis

GenJoe posted:

https://twitter.com/taviso/status/955540415263907840

lol

tha mothafucking tavis posted:
Their solution appears to be to query the client command line, get the 32-bit FNV-1a string hash of the exename and then check if it's in a blacklist. I proposed they whitelist Hostnames, but apparently that solution was too elegant and simple.

I'm not pleased that Blizzard pushed this patch without notifying me, or consulted me on this. Here is the blacklist of exenames:

# ? Jan 22, 2018 22:00

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