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Hot Karl Marx posted:Don't worry guys, dems got them right where they want them Most Of Steve Scalise posted:"I think we've been very clear that any final solution has to include funding for a wall and we've been working closely with President Trump on that," he added. OH COME ON
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tower time posted:I'm absolutely livid at Loebsack, who held his seat here even as Iowa went for Trump by a larger margin than Texas after being an Obama state in 2008 and 2012. He voted to end the shutdown, and generally has voted with republicans on immigration poo poo in the last month or two. Iowa is white as poo poo but in the past we became the new home of a lot of refugees from conflicts the US played a role in - in different parts of the state you find active Bosnian, Hmong, Somali and Guatemalan communities. Here in Davenport we have a large Vietnamese population, I grew up with the children of refugees who were learning English in public school and speaking Vietnamese at home. I guess my point is immigration was nowhere near as controversial here in terms of our national politics until relatively recently, and now even the sole remaining Democrat representing the bluest parts of the state is voting like Steve King. February 5 is the democratic caucus in Iowa (where they vote on local / state party members) and June 4 is the primary. Do your part to get rid of the fucker.
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guys remember when chelsea was revealed to be a fascist sympathizer and all these very correct and moral centrist-leaners jumped on the chance to go "well, see, this is why chelsea is bad, and let me spread some transphobia along with it" https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/955807901519630336 https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/955809013639405569
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Yeah, I was already going to the caucus because we have a 7-way race for governor and if no candidate gets more than 35% of the vote the nomination will be decided by the state democratic party. I want to make sure we send a delegate supporting the left-most candidate in the race. I hope someone tries to primary him from the left, but it seems like the big money and focus has been going into primary battles for the gov race and the other congressional districts. Worst case i will write someone in 
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emdash posted:you can be sure that a percentage of people who got "radicalized" (kinda) by Bernie are going to be disillusioned when he does something wrong, falls from grace, loses another primary, etc. There is definitely some love of the man, not the ideas, out there. Just hope it isn't a very large percentage Bernie already hosed up by supporting the No Fly List expansion sit in and that was almost two years ago. He's not perfect. He's just the only person who was in a prominent position advocating progressive positions with a history that backed up his statements. There are surely some people who are just behind him as a cult of personality but as the aftermath of November 8th has shown us, the whole "Cult of Bernie" stuff was projection by the people who actually were part of an insane Hillary cult. People like Bernie but they also really like his ideas and Keith or whoever else could easily take up the mantle. Or better yet it'll get spread out among a bunch of people over the next decade as more progressives get elected to positions of power.
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Thoguh posted:Bernie already hosed up by supporting the No Fly List expansion sit in and that was almost two years ago. He's not perfect. He's just the only person who was in a prominent position advocating progressive positions with a history that backed up his statements. There are surely some people who are just behind him as a cult of personality but as the aftermath of November 8th has shown us, the whole "Cult of Bernie" stuff was projection by the people who actually were part of an insane Hillary cult. People like Bernie but they also really like his ideas and Keith or whoever else could easily take up the mantle. Or better yet it'll get spread out among a bunch of people over the next decade as more progressives get elected to positions of power. do you really believe there will be regularly held elections a full decade into the future
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keith praises reagan and supported the libya intevention thanks, but no thanks
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SKULL.GIF posted:guys remember when chelsea was revealed to be a fascist sympathizer and all these very correct and moral centrist-leaners jumped on the chance to go "well, see, this is why chelsea is bad, and let me spread some transphobia along with it" to crash a party don't you have to be inside? quote:As a further plot twist, the activist and co-chair of the 2017 Women’s March, Linda Sarsour, confirmed to the Guardian that she had received a call from Manning in which the former soldier expressed “extreme regret” over her decision to attend Cernovich’s party and “admitted it was very bad judgment” lol 'my god linda, what have i done' Kilmers Elbow has issued a correction as of 18:37 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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zeal posted:do you really believe there will be regularly held elections a full decade into the future There will be things that are nominally called "elections" that will be nominally "regular". If you mean actual elections sufficient for political power to be derived from the will of the people, I would say we haven't really had those in a long time.
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lol bc all three of those obamacare taxes were supposed to have kicked in years ago but the obama admin & congress kept deferring them bc they were politically unpopular with the industries that own congress, plus the "cadillac" tax on employer-provided health plans that don't require massive out-of-pocket costs was politically unpopular with labor bc unions have traded wage concessions for good insurance over the last couple decades. quote:The so-called Cadillac tax, which taxes employers who offer very expensive health insurance plans, also enjoys some bipartisan opposition. The measure, much beloved by economists, is designed to encourage employers to lower health care costs by creating a stronger incentive to reduce spending on insurance. Economists tend to believe that the current system, which does not impose any income taxes on health benefits, encourages employers to overspend on health care, increases health care prices, and results in lower wages. starting with its welfare-reform-ish branding (bc having a good healthcare plan is the exact same thing as welfare moms driving cadillacs) and extending to the idea that taxing comprehensive insurance will drive prices downward, the "cadillac" tax is a great example of neolib social engineering that was doomed to fail in practice.
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does chelsea support an amendment to guarantee our right to party? will she fight for this?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:yeah but the universe that morning talk shows in the habit is pretty disconnected from the activist who are pushing it ok, now you aren't even poo poo-posting but rather poo poo-babbling. Don't you have somewhere else you can waste our tax dollars?
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Hot Karl Marx posted:CHIP was never off the table. Everyone wanted that funded. There are absolutely many republicans who can’t wait to end CHIP but are biting their tounge cause they just got a big ethnic cleansing win.
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Why does this vote need 60 people?
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KomradeX posted:Why does this vote need 60 people? A lot of votes on important poo poo require more than a simple majority and always have.
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SKULL.GIF posted:like, it sounds idealistic, but honestly the more the Democrats suck the more energized people will be to put people who don't loving suck and loving fail at their jobs into government But the remnants of the democratic state party processes will keep the people who "don't loving suck" out of office all the way until the party is completely destroyed and the people in charge literally die and are not replaced.
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Prioritizing CHIP over DACA is a great example of white supremacy.
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Remember when the democrats were seen as the party of smart people? Good times
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democrats are the party of too-clever-by-half people
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KomradeX posted:Why does this vote need 60 people? because you need 60 to break a filibuster and everything that's that important will always be filibustered
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gradenko_2000 posted:because you need 60 to break a filibuster and everything that's that important will always be filibustered also they already used reconciliation for the fiscal year or whatever, so they can't do it again
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gradenko_2000 posted:because you need 60 to break a filibuster and everything that's that important will always be filibustered Ugh I figured as much
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Hot Karl Marx posted:So what did dems get out of this deal other than a promise from a lying gently caress? There was a fly in the buttermilk, when Flake made that deal, and it had a fake orange tan, and bad hair. That same ugly fly blew up the deal that Graham and Durbin worked out. Now, McConnell is on record as saying he would stop consulting with "The Fly" during the coming negotiations on DACA. We'll see. In the mean time, the Democrats have two weeks to get public opinion even more in favor of a deal on DACA. Come Feb. 8, McConnell won't have CHIP to beat over the Democrats' head. He'll try to use the problems a shutdown would cause the military, but he's already on record as objecting to a measure that would make sure that military pay would continue during a shutdown. Get all these planets aligned, and if or when McConnell reneges on his word, hit hold! The Senate Dems will be on the winning side of a shutdown. But..."The Fly" will still be there...along with all his little flies in the House, so getting DACA through the Senate isn't even half the fight. But, it's a start.
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adding 80 billion or whatever to the defense budget didn't get filibustered, but then it would have had more than 60 votes anyway Bipartisanship!
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SKULL.GIF posted:probably not. I'm a big negative on how today went but I don't think it'll affect 2018 too much. at absolutely utterly worst, democrats hold neutral Yeah, that poll showing 54% (or whatever) of Democrats have favorable opinions of George W Bush is basically representative of where a large portion of the party stands, since all/most of those people are the same ones who focus 100% on Trump. Most liberals' political opinions revolve around how bad Trump is. That being said, even a relatively small margin can be enough to have significant political consequences. WhiskeyJuvenile posted:just keep in mind cause and effect: Bernie is popular because he’s pushing popular policies, not the policies are popular because Bernie is popular Eh, it goes both ways. Politicians/media pushing ideas also makes them more popular (or at least legitimizes them) in the eyes of a portion of the public. People don't just naturally have opinions and ideas; they develop them due to the things they see/hear in society, media, etc. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 19:28 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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A reminder that the same argument that was used to create DACA could have been used to simply reduce deportations across the board without requiring DREAMers to hand the government every single bit of information that can be used to deport them. The reason 800,000 people have an expiration date on their time in the US is because Obama chose to crack down on everyone else for deportation while protecting these with an executive action that would leave them unprotected in case of a republican win, and specially vulnerable given that they have handed all the information required to deport them to the executive.
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joepinetree posted:A reminder that the same argument that was used to create DACA could have been used to simply reduce deportations across the board without requiring DREAMers to hand the government every single bit of information that can be used to deport them. The reason 800,000 people have an expiration date on their time in the US is because Obama chose to crack down on everyone else for deportation while protecting these with an executive action that would leave them unprotected in case of a republican win, and specially vulnerable given that they have handed all the information required to deport them to the executive. This is why Chuds are right when they scream that Obama lied to the DREAMers
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Another "killer AP" from the Democrat innovation workshop
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:just keep in mind cause and effect: Bernie is popular because he’s pushing popular policies, not the policies are popular because Bernie is popular no one except you and other broke brained motherfuckers in 2016 ever thought otherwise.
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Willa Rogers posted:lol bc all three of those obamacare taxes were supposed to have kicked in years ago but the obama admin & congress kept deferring them bc they were politically unpopular with the industries that own congress, plus the "cadillac" tax on employer-provided health plans that don't require massive out-of-pocket costs was politically unpopular with labor bc unions have traded wage concessions for good insurance over the last couple decades. joepinetree posted:A reminder that the same argument that was used to create DACA could have been used to simply reduce deportations across the board without requiring DREAMers to hand the government every single bit of information that can be used to deport them. The reason 800,000 people have an expiration date on their time in the US is because Obama chose to crack down on everyone else for deportation while protecting these with an executive action that would leave them unprotected in case of a republican win, and specially vulnerable given that they have handed all the information required to deport them to the executive. it's really cool how the obama admin did basically everything as wrong as possible the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:no one except you and other broke brained motherfuckers in 2016 ever thought otherwise. look at this frail, finger-wagging wild-haired old man who repeats the exact same stump speech everywhere he goes clearly it's his personal charisma and charm that has millions of people going crazy for BERNIE!!!
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SKULL.GIF posted:look at this frail, finger-wagging wild-haired old man who repeats the exact same stump speech everywhere he goes "He's pushing... what the gently caress, free healthcare? And free public college? Sounds like a bunch of baloney to me, they probably just hate women or something  "also "Hillary and Bernie are the same on all the issues anyway! Now just agree that Bernie is bad so I can spend the next half hour talking about how his policies are wrong and millenials just want a free ride."
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BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Al! posted:BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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