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Sludge Tank posted:Jut lol if you dont open palm slam a pint of espresso before gym An American (16 oz) pint of espresso would actually be the recommended dose for a large strongman according to 6mg/kg
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feelix posted:That's loving insane, does anyone actually do this? I'm 210lb, here lemme just take 3 caffeine pills or slam FOUR cans of monster quote:The ergogenic dose of caffeine required to enhance neuromuscular performance during a single all-out contraction depends on the magnitude of load used. A dose of 3 mg · kg(-1) is enough to improve high-velocity muscle actions against low loads, whereas a higher caffeine dose (9 mg · kg(-1)) is necessary against high loads, despite the appearance of adverse side effects. brb gonna pop 5 pills before my next squat sesh
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im buying a house and setting up a home gym with rogue equipment. just a rack, barbell, and loadablr dumbbell handles. this will be the year i become a god. any advice on home gym stuff? im thinking of setting up in the basement since it has heating and cooling, but it’s not tall enough for overhead movements while standing.
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Yeah apparently anything less than that doesn't doesn't do anything in acute doses. Which means caffeine pills, cups of coffee and most pre-work outs are pointless out side of the general effects of caffeine. Another thing is if you're a coffee fiend chronic caffeine use doesn't effect acute dosing for performance.
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that's a book, I had it as a kid
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gently caress caffeine, how much thc do I need post workout for "recovery"
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feelix posted:Speaking of destroying your kidneys, apparently studies show you should take 5-6 mg/kg of caffeine pre-workout I take 300-400 mg of caffiene within an hour of waking up every day, full redline or 2 200mg caffiene pills...
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nooneofconsequence posted:that's a book, I had it as a kid It's also in that weird al song about palindromes
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Just lol if you don't snort turkish-ground coffee as soon as your eyes open in the morning.
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I just drink coffee slowly all day every day, to maintain full caffeine saturation.
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ham_sanitizer posted:im buying a house and setting up a home gym with rogue equipment. just a rack, barbell, and loadablr dumbbell handles. this will be the year i become a god. if you could set up somewhere with a concrete floor and taller ceiling (garage maybe?) i would recommend a weightlifting platform, bumper plates, and a squat rack
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sassassin posted:I just drink coffee slowly all day every day, to maintain full caffeine saturation. Do you find there comes a point where it just doesnt work anymore and you get really strung out and cranky? I try and take a day or two off coffee every now and again but its amazing how much you dont realise how automated caffeine consumption can be
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workout in your driveway and intimidate your neighbors
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nooneofconsequence posted:workout in your driveway and intimidate your neighbors I do that but it's a bit cold right now. Would probably be extra intimidating now but I wouldn't want to get salt on my fancy bar. Sludge Tank posted:Do you find there comes a point where it just doesnt work anymore and you get really strung out and cranky? I try and take a day or two off coffee every now and again but its amazing how much you dont realise how automated caffeine consumption can be I drink lots of coffee but also get 7-8 hours of sleep a night and get to bed early like an old. And try not to drink any 8 hours before bed. I'm mostly drinking it to enjoy it but it still wakes me up in the morning. I'd guess we're really in the same boat there.
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The older I get, the more caffeine affects me sleep. Used to be I could have pre-workout or an energy drink around 5 before the gym and be great. Now, anything after around 12 PM makes me have a harder time falling asleep. Dunno why since the halflife is shorter than that.
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Sludge Tank posted:Do you find there comes a point where it just doesnt work anymore and you get really strung out and cranky? I try and take a day or two off coffee every now and again but its amazing how much you dont realise how automated caffeine consumption can be It definitely doesn't work any more but I don't get any downsides, either. Even if I have one right before bed I'll usually sleep normally. I am one with the caffeine. It's 7pm and I've just made another one. Doesn't taste as good as the first cup of the day, but still good.
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Because that's not how half-life works? Caffeine has been shown to affect sleep up to 6 hours before bed Considering that's a medical study with a p-value of 0.05, the actual time it's probably a lot longer
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I sleep 8-10 hours every night and wake up feeling good (apart from my shoulder, neck, elbows and soul).
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feelix posted:Because that's not how half-life works? Wait, what, that's not how statistics works at all
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Maybe if I give up coffee I'll be able to sleep forever. Scary thought.
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So we die if we stop drinking coffee? Checks out.
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Guyver posted:Yeah apparently anything less than that doesn't doesn't do anything in acute doses. Which means caffeine pills, cups of coffee and most pre-work outs are pointless out side of the general effects of caffeine. I take two caffeine pills which is 400mg which has a very, incredibly clear effect on me both in how I feel and look (I get real red lol)
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:So we die if we stop drinking coffee? I never drink coffee and I am dead can confirm
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Wait, what, that's not how statistics works at all What do you mean? With a lot of studies, I figure that they could show a much more generous effect if they chose a higher p-value. It's educated guessing on my part, but I figure that they could show that caffeine affects sleep after 8 hours at, for example, a p-value of 0.3. While that p-value is not good enough for a medical paper, it's good enough for me. For the same reason, I don't think it's stupid to say things like "medical studies show beneficial effects up to 1g of protein/kg body mass so you should aim for 2g/kg to be safe" Basically what I'm saying is that for things that aren't a big deal to overshoot (how long not to drink coffee before sleep; how much protein to eat), it's probably a good idea to overshoot the medical study recommendation, because those recommendations are at a very high level of certainty. feelix fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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feelix posted:What do you mean? With a lot of studies, I figure that they could show a much more generous effect if they chose a higher p-value. It's educated guessing on my part, but I figure that they could show that caffeine affects sleep after 8 hours at, for example, a p-value of 0.3. While that p-value is not good enough for a medical paper, it's good enough for me. Yeah, I used to think this way also but it doesn't really bear out in the way statistical evidence is constructed. Like if you get a higher (poorer) p-value it just means that your effect doesn't have statistical evidence for an effect in the range you're looking. If you get an indeterminate p-value there are two possibilities - one you don't have enough people enrolled in your study or two there isn't an actual effect of what you're measuring. A "trend toward significance" is not a sophisticated way of understanding statistical evidence. If you show a significant sleep difference at 6 hours but not at 8 hours, it means there's something special about that amount of time not that "it's likely it's a much longer amount of time but you just can't really pick up the effect because of a stringent p-value. Rewriting all scientific literature to say "if one is good, two is better, if they show 6 then it must be 8 or 10" is not only fallacious, it's dangerous and comically illogical.
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Fartbox posted:I take two caffeine pills which is 400mg which has a very, incredibly clear effect on me both in how I feel and look (I get real red lol)
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Yeah, I used to think this way also but it doesn't really bear out in the way statistical evidence is constructed. Like if you get a higher (poorer) p-value it just means that your effect doesn't have statistical evidence for an effect in the range you're looking. If you get an indeterminate p-value there are two possibilities - one you don't have enough people enrolled in your study or two there isn't an actual effect of what you're measuring. A "trend toward significance" is not a sophisticated way of understanding statistical evidence. If you show a significant sleep difference at 6 hours but not at 8 hours, it means there's something special about that amount of time not that "it's likely it's a much longer amount of time but you just can't really pick up the effect because of a stringent p-value. I understand this, but based on an understanding of how the things we're talking about work, it's pretty safe to assume that it is, in fact, an issue of not enough data causing a poor signal-to-noise ratio, not something extremely special about 6 hours and 1g/100kg. Step functions don't exist in nature, so at worst, you would get strong diminishing returns going above those values. There's no compelling reason not to stop drinking coffee earlier or not to eat a bunch more protein so why not?
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use your butt muscles to lift weights also your arm muscles and your other muscles
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CheesyDog posted:use your butt muscles to lift weights sage advice
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CheesyDog posted:use your butt muscles to lift weights huh?? I'd like to know more about this
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My p-value is pretty high. The coffee helps.
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CheesyDog posted:use your butt muscles to lift weights at the same time or separate??? help i need this advice!!!!!!!!
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MikeCrotch posted:at the same time or separate??? Clench your butt while you bench for more gains.
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bamhand posted:Clench your butt while you bench for more gains.
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After almost a decade of lifting weights, I benched 225. I attribute my incredibly rapid progress to my stellar upper body health -- I've only had 13 dislocations and four surgeries between my two shoulders Strangely enough, the world seems the same, I feel like the same person, women don't seem more attractive and I have gained no insight on the nature of the universe
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Cool guy bench was upgraded to 250 a few months ago, sorry.
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I know you're lying because there's no way the cool guy bench threshold would involve 2.5s
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That was on a lovely commercial gym bench too, I'm moving soon and gonna try to find a HARDCORE gym that has a THOMPSON FAT PAD and see what I can do
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