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Al-Saqr posted:I dont give a poo poo about ISIS troops either. War is Dehumanizing but somebody started machine gunning peaceful protesters with tanks to get this blood machine rolling and we know exactly who did it. Yeah I agree. Whatever sympathy soldiers on various sides may or may not deserve (like I said, I wasn't saying you were wrong), the rulers who start these wars deserve worse than they could ever receive in return. Cat Mattress posted:US military guys are mostly there as human shields to deter Turkey from bombing them too much. It'd be like deciding to charge a machine gun nest shirtless because you're upset with the manufacturer of your body armor. Depends on what kind of deal they think they could get from Russia/Assad. Yeah, on some level Russia chose Turkey over the Afrin Kurds, but on another level Russia said gently caress you to the YPG because the US is openly using the YPG to divide Syria and keep the oil the regime needs to rebuild away from the government. Maybe Assad would be as bad or worse for the Kurds as Turkey, and the US is certainly presenting it that way by saying their priority is for Afrin not to fall into the hands of the regime, but at least over the course of the war Assad has been more flexible in dealing with the YPG than Erdogan has been. Maybe he'd just string them all up the second they surrendered though, who knows. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Well, I guess we don't have to worry about how to interpret the Pentagon's statement: Joe R. Tabet, Pentagon Correspondent for MBN https://twitter.com/JoeRTabet/status/955876290065850368 quote:Pentagon spokesperson denies making this statement: Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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It's so weird when arms exporting countries act super surprised when the weapons they sell actually get used. "Uh we just wanted the money, not the guilt."
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Al-Saqr posted:yeah, funny how now that it's not filthy Arabs who made the mistake of having all of their leftists and socialists murdered en masse then having islamists in their ranks because everybody else literally died given the death machine coming after them and being murdered by the thousands and gassed, suddenly the empathy meter turns on for some people here once it's an ethnicity they dont find fundamentally abhorrent. how surprising. You can repeat this lie 10000 times; it's never going to be true. There are also leftist and socialist Arabs still fighting - however most came down on the side of the regime.
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In a press release issued on Sunday, the Coalition said that it “has repeatedly called upon terrorist organizations, including the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), to withdraw its militants from Syria and pull out of the towns and villages they occupied and from which they displaced their residents as well as to stop using the Syrian people as fuel for its terrorist, reckless wars.” “Over the past few years, however, cross-border terrorism has expanded in Syria’s north and east, taking advantage of the emergence of the ISIS extremist group and of the Assad regime’s support and its provision of an enabling environment for these groups,” the Coalition added. “The PKK terrorist group and the front organizations it uses, including the Democratic Unionist Party (PYD), the People's Protection Units (YPG) and the repressive security agencies, are terrorist organizations. They have been carrying out repressive practices against the Syrian people from all affiliations and ethnicities. They imprison many Kurdish activists in particular, while hundred others died under torture in their prisons or in direct attacks targeting them.” The Coalition stressed “those organizations as hostile to the revolution of the Syrian people with all their components and their aspirations for freedom, justice and equality. It is imperative, therefore, that these organization be eradicated and their danger removed from Syria and the region.” “The Syrian National Army’s fight against armed terrorist organizations is a fundamental part of its struggle against the tyrannical regime and its allied Iranian terrorist organizations. This fight has won the support and appreciation of all Syrians who want to see security, peace, freedom and dignity prevailing in their country.” The Coalition went on: “The Syrian people are united in their struggle against tyranny and terrorism. They appreciate the high level of coordination and support being provided by Turkish leadership and the Turkish armed forces for the battle to free Afrin and Manbij as well as the rest of towns and villages which are occupied by terrorist groups. All measures are being taken to provide maximum protection for civilians and to prevent terrorist organizations from using them as human shields.” Well, at least they are safe in their Istanbul hotel.
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Turkey's doing what Turkey does better than anyone in the world: arresting journalists. http://www.dw.com/en/turkey-terror-propaganda-crackdown-sees-dozens-arrested-for-social-media-comments/a-42266585
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Human Grand Prix posted:In a press release issued on Sunday, the Coalition said that it “has repeatedly called upon terrorist organizations, including the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), to withdraw its militants from Syria and pull out of the towns and villages they occupied and from which they displaced their residents as well as to stop using the Syrian people as fuel for its terrorist, reckless wars.” Probably should have specified that this is the Syrian National Coalition
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Al-Saqr posted:Yeah I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to people becoming free from a genocidal fascism Same here. Which is why I understand choosing rear end in a top hat secular murderer gasman over organization with a bunch of dudes who openly talk about ethnic cleansing and celebrate murdering people.
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Human Grand Prix posted:There are also leftist and socialist Arabs still fighting - however most came down on the side of the regime. Actually most died under torture because they didnt have guns to protect themselves with, one of them I knew personally. But it's ok, I know it's hard for a pathetic fascist like you to read anything. I'm happy for you that you dont have to die for saying something your government disagrees with, unlike the vast majority of syrian leftists.
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Al-Saqr posted:Actually most died under torture because they didnt have guns to protect themselves with, one of them I knew personally. But it's ok, I know it's hard for a pathetic fascist like you to read anything. I'm happy for you that you dont have to die for saying something your government disagrees with, unlike the vast majority of syrian leftists. I might be getting things mixed up, but didnt you even post a set of biographies of prominent Syrian leftists who ended up getting murdered by the regime in the last thread?
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Human Grand Prix posted:You can repeat this lie 10000 times; it's never going to be true. There are also leftist and socialist Arabs still fighting - however most came down on the side of the regime. do you actually believe what you wrote?
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I do, because it’s true. I understand this might be difficult to accept but the opposition has pretty much been exclusively Salafi or Hardline Sunni Islamist since 2012.
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Human Grand Prix posted:I do, because it’s true. I understand this might be difficult to accept but the opposition has pretty much been exclusively Salafi or Hardline Sunni Islamist since 2012. Would you please source your claim?
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Human Grand Prix posted:I do, because it’s true. I understand this might be difficult to accept but the opposition has pretty much been exclusively Salafi or Hardline Sunni Islamist since 2012. It's not, you're just a racist idiot who will latch onto anything you can to whitewash the regime, and anything you can to slander its opposition. It's pretty bad when it's to the point that you're now trying to hold up a Ba'ath dictatorship as a champion of the left out of nowhere and based on nothing. Never mind all the Syrian leftists who protested against Assad and wound up in Caesars torture photos for having the audacity. Your hosed up double standard is blatantly apparent, and that's why people treat you like a dumb rear end. How about instead of spending so much time posting misinformation, you do some introspection into why you became such a racist fuckhead and why you're so afraid of Muslims. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:I do, because it’s true. I understand this might be difficult to accept but the opposition has pretty much been exclusively Salafi or Hardline Sunni Islamist since 2012. Nah, dude, there's plenty of neoliberal opportunists who see state controlled property and a big opportunity to make some cash. The only left-wing faction is the PYD and it is important to stop the Ottoman imperialist project by any means necessary.
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Sinteres posted:It's so weird when arms exporting countries act super surprised when the weapons they sell actually get used. "Uh we just wanted the money, not the guilt." In this case, we're speaking about a NATO-ally. Germany fully expected it's weapons to be used in defense of Turkey, not in support of every dumb idea popping into Erdogan's mind.
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Libluini posted:In this case, we're speaking about a NATO-ally. Germany fully expected it's weapons to be used in defense of Turkey, not in support of every dumb idea popping into Erdogan's mind. Let's be honest, everyone in NATO knows their weapons are going to be used one way or another on Kurds, it is just they thought it would be Kurds INSIDE the borders of Turkey.
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Ardennes posted:Let's be honest, everyone in NATO knows their weapons are going to be used one way or another on Kurds, it is just they thought it would be Kurds INSIDE the borders of Turkey. Well they're inside the buffer zone. That's close enough right? 
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Panzeh posted:Nah, dude, there's plenty of neoliberal opportunists who see state controlled property and a big opportunity to make some cash. The PYD are the good guys (relative, I guess, but it's the Syrian Civil War we are talking about here.) but their reach is limited. Yeah there are non-Islamist factions of the Opposition but how much pull do they really have? On the ground in the Opposition zones it's Al-Qaeda and it's ilk that call the shots.
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Volkerball posted:It's not, you're just a racist idiot who will latch onto anything you can to whitewash the regime, and anything you can to slander its opposition. It's pretty bad when it's to the point that you're now trying to hold up a Ba'ath dictatorship as a champion of the left out of nowhere and based on nothing. Never mind all the Syrian leftists who protested against Assad and wound up in Caesars torture photos for having the audacity. Your hosed up double standard is blatantly apparent, and that's why people treat you like a dumb rear end. How about instead of spending so much time posting misinformation, you do some introspection into why you became such a racist fuckhead and why you're so afraid of Muslims. The Syrian Communist Party and virtually all other major Socialist or Arab nationalist parties have sided with the regime. The Ba'ath themselves are theoretically a Left Wing party. This is the reality. You can either choose to accept it or you can choose to keep sticking your head in the sand. Your "Opposition" is also in the process of dismantling and destroying a Left Wing democratic movement at the behest of Turkey.
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I don't imagine Turkey's going to stop their incursion on a dime here, so it'll be interesting to see where the line ends up being drawn if this goes forward. https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/956186180533542913 In other news, the YPG seem to have rocketed a mosque in Turkey and killed some civilians. Edit: The YPG have since denied it. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:The Syrian Communist Party and virtually all other major Socialist or Arab nationalist parties have sided with the regime. The Ba'ath themselves are theoretically a Left Wing party. This is the reality. You can either choose to accept it or you can choose to keep sticking your head in the sand. Your "Opposition" is also in the process of dismantling and destroying a Left Wing democratic movement at the behest of Turkey. On the one hand the regime has tortured and murdered god knows how many democratic activists, and has always picked violence over reform that benefits the working class over the ruling elites, but on the other, there's a token Communist opposition party with one seat who's idea of promoting leftist ideals in Syria is screaming Assad or we burn the country louder than the other token opposition parties. Syria is not a democracy, and these parties aren't allowed to participate unless they kiss the boot first and foremost. We might as well call the North Korean regime democrats with how useless of a definition you've just created for political ideologues. Given your fascist tendencies though that's probably not outside the realm of possibility.
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Sinteres posted:I don't imagine Turkey's going to stop their incursion on a dime here, so it'll be interesting to see where the line ends up being drawn if this goes forward. I'm really apprehensive about that move, but there isn't really any other options. The Mosque thing is pretty bad - it's the last thing the PYD needs right now.
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Human Grand Prix posted:I'm really apprehensive about that move, but there isn't really any other options. The Mosque thing is pretty bad - it's the last thing the PYD needs right now. Looks like the YPG have denied it. Whole lot of fake reporting going around these last few days.
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Sinteres posted:https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/956186180533542913 yeesh x 2
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Sinteres posted:I don't imagine Turkey's going to stop their incursion on a dime here, so it'll be interesting to see where the line ends up being drawn if this goes forward. Any source for that last bit that’s not Turkish propaganda?
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CherryCola posted:Any source for that last bit that’s not Turkish propaganda? Oops I responded about the wrong part. It's mostly Turkish media covering it from what I can see, though RT had a story on it too. There are pictures, but I can't verify them. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Egypt will be holding its next presidential election in a month. It'll be the fairest election in the country's history, as Sisi is the only candidate on the ballot. As for the other candidates: Ahmed Shafik: Mubarak's former PM and the losing candidate in the 2012 election; threatened and kicked out of the country for voicing his intention to run in the election. Sami Anan: Former chief of staff of the Egyptian military, second hand man in the SCAF which ruled Egypt till Morsi's election; military issued a statement condemning his candidacy and arrested him two days ago. Khaled Ali: Civil rights lawyer that successfully sued the presidency over the islands sold to Saudi Arabia, vilified in the media till he backed off his candidacy today.
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Sinteres posted:Oops I responded about the wrong part. It's mostly Turkish media covering it from what I can see, though RT had a story on it too. There are pictures, but I can't verify them. Yeah I would take anything either turkey or Russia says about this conflict with a grain of salt. Same for the Kurds, but probably a smaller grain.
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Saladin Rising posted:Bulgaria's siding against Turkey's Afrin operation: For Bulgarians it is a God given right and duty to mess with Turkey whenever possible.
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