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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm not so much interested in the technical quality of western animation so much as the breadth of the sorts of stories we allow ourselves to tell there, as opposed to in anime. Although I suppose the two things are probably linked to some extent. There's allowed and there's popularized. If you only included professionally produced and released animation, I'd imagine the field of subject matter in the West would be far narrower in comparison to however much Japan has. Technical quality is a completely different story since Japanese cultural norms seem to prefer sticking with old technologies and only creeping forward whereas Western animation will dive straight into the next big animation method and techniques with daredevil ambition. There's also the levels of relative funding where even the most expensive anime production is still peanuts when compared to whatever Disney puts into a single motion picture.
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Endorph posted:surprisingly, when you let a bunch of 70 year old men who havent been engaged with art since the 1970s make an awards show, they make really bad choices The Academy judges do seem to watch out for some smaller Western animation groups, since Cartoon Saloon's 3 feature films (The Book of Kells, The Song of the Sea and The Breadwinner) have all been nominated and they're all collaborations between small animation studios in Ireland, Belgium and various other countries mostly located in Europe. Spiritus Nox posted:I'd be kind of interested in taking an academic look at how it feels like western critics in general at one point just kind of collectively decided that animation was fundamentally for either relatively light family-friendly fare ala Disney or gross/edgy comedy ala Adult Swim fare - if that's a thing anyone's ever or will ever do. A guy called Super Eyepatch Wolf did a Youtube video about the influences of early cartoons on Cuphead that seems like a good primer for that kind of historical view of Western animations, what they were allowed to be and why from what I remember of it. Parallax posted:western animation fans talk about looney tunes and ren and stimpy, still To be fair, Looney Tunes is still worth talking about. It might not be a deep story, but it had good animation and comic timing as well as distinct characters and that's enough to make a thing memorable. Some people think the same about Ren & Stimpy I suppose, but I was never a fan. Anime fans still talk about early productions like Lupin, Gundam, Yamamoto etc. too. Maybe not many of them, but it does happen. Namtab posted:Big congrats to jhon cena There's almost no hope Coco doesn't win in that category. Xelkelvos posted:There's allowed and there's popularized. If you only included professionally produced and released animation, I'd imagine the field of subject matter in the West would be far narrower in comparison to however much Japan has. Technical quality is a completely different story since Japanese cultural norms seem to prefer sticking with old technologies and only creeping forward whereas Western animation will dive straight into the next big animation method and techniques with daredevil ambition. There's also the levels of relative funding where even the most expensive anime production is still peanuts when compared to whatever Disney puts into a single motion picture. Part of the reason for that is simply that Japanese animation companies pay their animators peanuts, and some productions end with staff working for nothing but passion because the budget is completely spent. It might have happened to some animation studios in America or Europe too mind, but if it has I've never heard of it. It's not the only reason obviously, but Japanese animation is in a bit of a tailspin at the moment with less people entering the workforce because of the low pay and respect while older staff have few people to pass their techniques on to and often retire without really training anyone in to replace them so that their skills are never passed on from what I gather and something will presumably have to snap or change soon. tsob fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 11:34
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The Colonel posted:i bought nwn2 to play it but then i tried playing vanilla nwn2 and realized i actually kind of hate it dont play vanilla nwn2
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I've always said that the animation Oscars nominations are a hybrid between "best probably-foreign arthouse film", and "best mainstream animation film that the judges have taken their kids to see", with the latter winning always. Only Miyazaki has been able to break into the second subcategory, and a lot of anime just isn't weird enough for recognition in the first subcategory. Oh well, Loving Vincent was pretty good I guess. EDIT: This breakdown makes sense if you consider how the nominations work. You've got a mix of people who don't know anything about animation who will pick whatever film they have actually watched, and then you've got people who *work* in animation, who typically pick not crowd pleasers but films that are creatively admirable in some sense. If you've ever been to an anime panel and asked people what their favourite anime is, you'll get a clear idea that people who make anime don't watch that much current mainstream anime. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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I'm really sceptical of the notion that the Japanese treat animation more seriously than westerners. It's just seems that in the west the more serious and popular stories get enough resources to go live action instead. Even for fantasy kids/teen stuff like Harry Potter, would the Japanese actually prefer it animated? And the animation that actually gets made in the west seems to take greater risks overall. There is still a bunch of high budget stop motion being made. Several very successful live action movie directors have dipped into animation. There is The LEGO Movie, which is a very high budget toy commercial made by huge corporations that is not only good, but also somehow has a running theme that the concept of intellectual property stifles creativity and leads to fascism. Then there is obviously the massive adult comedy genre of American animation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqawfZ4KAkg I will watch this
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yeah i don't think there's any issue with finding western productions with interesting material or aesthetics when it comes to feature films, though those are obviously dwarfed by the amount of anime produced in a year. shorts feel harder to seek out but also exist in a similar space, and ofc there's value in revisiting old productions as well. it just feels like the face of modern Western animation is pretty lacking outside of those small niches whereas the insane anime market surfaces a bunch of interesting tv productions yearly, along with a handful of films.
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If I have to watch an extended commercial, it certainly helps to be beautiful I'll watch it too. Also holy gently caress, Phos in LotL was Kumiko in Eupho? No wonder I liked her so much, I never realized.
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To be fair, you need a high IQ to understand western animation.
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Waffleman_ posted:And why do they all look white?! This was a nice chestnut in the NYT the other week https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html quote:The Alt-Right’s Asian Fetish tsob posted:Part of the reason for that is simply that Japanese animation companies pay their animators peanuts, and some productions end with staff working for nothing but passion because the budget is completely spent. It might have happened to some animation studios in America or Europe too mind, but if it has I've never heard of it. It's not the only reason obviously, but Japanese animation is in a bit of a tailspin at the moment with less people entering the workforce because of the low pay and respect while older staff have few people to pass their techniques on to and often retire without really training anyone in to replace them so that their skills are never passed on from what I gather and something will presumably have to snap or change soon. Do you have any source on there being some sort of imminent shortage of talented animators? It sounds very much like the kind of “here’s something that seems like it should be true, so it must be true” takes that make up 80% of everything written about Japan. Sakuga Blog is constantly profiling young and skilled animators. They get paid badly but they’ve been paid badly for 50+ years now and anime still exists. The industry is making more money than ever. Seems like the most likely outcome for a labor-squeezed industry is that they just make fewer shows and outsource more poo poo work to poorer countries in Asia, which is maybe bad but not some sort of collapse. I generally find the “The anime industry/the nation of Japan is about to collapse (as it rightly deserves to)” thing super tiring and also very confusing, in that it appears people have been saying that for literally the last 30 years now https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/12/16/animes-future-nakaya-onsen/ icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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icantfindaname posted:This was a nice chestnut in the NYT the other week What the gently caress.
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Xinder posted:To be fair, you need a high IQ to understand western animation. I liked the show on comedy central where a guy worked for a company of demons from hell and he was sleeping with his boss a sexy devil lady because i thought devil ladies were really sexy when i was a young man
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New thread down there VVVquote:
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DisDisDis posted:I liked the show on comedy central where a guy worked for a company of demons from hell and he was sleeping with his boss a sexy devil lady because i thought devil ladies were really sexy when i was a young man It's good that you repented from your sinful ways and now only lust after devil men
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an actual dog posted:What the gently caress. That one sentence is an entire concept that could be explored in another article but is thrown in so nonchalantly with that piece that it's just 
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I know it’s actually from 2(or more?) seasons ago now but Netflix are finally releasing their official subbed version of Kakegurui on the first of February if you held off watching it at the time for some reason. Show’s premise is dumb if you think about it for a fraction of a second but it’s very entertaining regardless.
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an actual dog posted:What the gently caress. AnacondaHL posted:That one sentence is an entire concept that could be explored in another article but is thrown in so nonchalantly with that piece that it's just Yeah, it's still amazing to me how deeply rooted the "Asian people must be as obsessed with their racial Otherness as I, white person, am" projection thing is, even after seeing it for years now. It pops up in weird places icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 15:55
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Haha I read that without reading it and tried to watch kakegurui on Netflix right now. Gosh that op/ed was so good.
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icantfindaname posted:In case you can’t tell I find the “The anime industry/the nation of Japan is about to collapse (as it rightly deserves to)” thing super tiring and also very confusing, in that it appears people have been saying that for literally the last 30 years now For a long time, Western academics and ideologues have had a sense of resentment and outright animosity towards Japan for its resistance to attempts at influencing their culture and politics. Along with that, Japan has always been viewed as an 'acceptable' target for tabloid-level articles about how different and 'weird' they are. Those two issues never have a problem overlapping, so you regularly get people declaring Japan doomed for one reason or another and blaming a moral failure on their part for it, one which just happens to line up with the speaker's politics. There was a frankly embarrassing article in The Economist last year trying to connect Japan's (exaggerated) population decline with the writer's dislike of their pop culture. They're usually better than that sort of thing, but I guess no publication is immune to it.
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Command Ant posted:For a long time, Western academics and ideologues have had a sense of resentment and outright animosity towards Japan for its resistance to attempts at influencing their culture and politics. Along with that, Japan has always been viewed as an 'acceptable' target for tabloid-level articles about how different and 'weird' they are. Those two issues never have a problem overlapping, so you regularly get people declaring Japan doomed for one reason or another and blaming a moral failure on their part for it, one which just happens to line up with the speaker's politics. The Economist? Hahaha no they're not, they're about as close to equal-opportunity smug condescension as you get. See their stuff on Argentina, that's probably actually worse than Japan. Holy poo poo do they hate that country. The NYT or the Guardian on the other hand, there's where the real inexplicable racism towards Japan lives I dunno. I don't want this to derail the thread. If that guy has anything to read about if there is a real exodus of animators from the industry I'd like to see it
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Xinder posted:It's good that you repented from your sinful ways and now only lust after devil men https://twitter.com/hyaenes/status/950429419042111490
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Jan 24, 2018 16:48
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*serious, 1950s dad voice*: dis, have you tried not being horny I like Western cartoons a lot and I wish they made more, better ones.
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I'm a closet asexual being crushed under the weight of my posting brand
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DisDisDis posted:I'm a closet asexual being crushed under the weight of my posting brand My Amonaconda don’t want none in general
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wow it do be like that tho
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DisDisDis posted:That one person who posted in the shoujo thread about how steven universe was better lgbt representation than anything in the entire medium of anime and manga Obviously that's a hot take that ignores the existence of things like Wandering Son, My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness, etc., but if you're only comparing to mainstream shonen and shojo stuff, I can understand why someone would think that.
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I can't comment on it being An Authentic LGBT ExperienceTM but Steven Universe is real good
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It's a cool show and I think The Children are blessed to have it
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Jan 24, 2018 19:02
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lol, but also it wasn’t me
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lol, i hate it
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If no one's photoshopped other porn on to the shirt by the time I get back from class maybe I'll mess around with it
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Jan 24, 2018 19:17
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Who is responsible for this censorship Show yourself, coward
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my beautiful handiwork has been defaced
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