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FactsAreUseless posted:What? that appears to be a rudatron post.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Also ultra-nationalism with both left-wing and right-wing faces, but characterized in each case by Malthusian right-wing thinking, massive border security, and massive state intervention to put down unrest and adapt the economy to our hell future FactsAreUseless posted:What?
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Jan 25, 2018 18:07
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rudatron posted:what's the confusing part
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Jan 25, 2018 18:09
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FactsAreUseless posted:Ah, there it is. See, this is why I never try to argue in good faith with conservatives. "good faith" == calling everyone who disagrees with you a white supremacist
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Jan 25, 2018 18:09
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gobbagool posted:"good faith" == calling everyone who disagrees with you a white supremacist
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Jan 25, 2018 18:11
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rudatron posted:what's the confusing part I'd say you're missing at least one issue in that list, sea levels rising.
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Jan 25, 2018 18:12
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:last chinese movie i watched was a martial arts film with really strong anti-japan themes. left a sour taste. so yeah i'd rather join the bollywood global multicultural twerkfest was it Ip Man because that movie was pretty sweet in the punching and the japanese being total monsters to chinese during ww2 wasnt much of an exaggeration the epilogue text about about the chinese banding together under the spirit of the government to repel the japanese interlopers was pretty lol
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Jan 25, 2018 18:19
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sea level rise is a non issue, the netherlands is already below sea level and doing fine, it's all about how much you want to protect, and how much money you have to protect it. major cities will have the money spent over time, smaller coastal cities will get depopulated as people move elsewhere, within the same country. big loving whoop, that's not that drastic now, precipitation variability + arable land -> price of food -> social stability, how many people can, you know, eat direct heat stroke is also a real issue in areas that are already pretty warm, because there are hard limits on what temperatures the human body can experience, and as global warming goes far enough, there are literally going to be sections of the earth where you will die if you stay outside.
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Jan 25, 2018 18:19
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FactsAreUseless posted:Conservatism is a white supremacist ideology. Sorry, my man. Just is how it is. wow did you work for the Hillary 2016 campaign? "Why won't you stupid racist bigots vote for me?" but that's fine, with people like you preaching the liberal party line, there's very little risk of it ever being taken seriously
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Jan 25, 2018 18:19
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rudatron posted:sea level rise is a non issue, the netherlands is already below sea level and doing fine, it's all about how much you want to protect, and how much money you have to protect it. major cities will have the money spent over time, smaller coastal cities will get depopulated, big loving whoop, that's not that drastic 
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Jan 25, 2018 18:20
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gobbagool posted:wow did you work for the Hillary 2016 campaign? "Why won't you stupid racist bigots vote for me?" but that's fine, with people like you preaching the liberal party line, there's very little risk of it ever being taken seriously
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Jan 25, 2018 18:20
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rudatron posted:sea level rise is a non issue, the netherlands is already below sea level and doing fine, it's all about how much you want to protect, and how much money you have to protect it. major cities will have the money spent over time, smaller coastal cities will get depopulated as people move elsewhere, within the same country. big loving whoop, that's not that drastic isn't that already happening in parts of India and the ME?
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Jan 25, 2018 18:20
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm sorry you're mad about the fact that your politics are all based in white supremacy, but this isn't D&D so we don't have to pretend they're not. Keep loving that chicken, FAU
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Jan 25, 2018 18:21
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And also I don't care if being told you're a racist will stop you from voting for the "liberal party line," so not sure what your point is besides "I'm not comfortable with the reality of my beliefs."
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Jan 25, 2018 18:21
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gobbagool posted:wow did you work for the Hillary 2016 campaign? "Why won't you stupid racist bigots vote for me?" but that's fine, with people like you preaching the liberal party line, there's very little risk of it ever being taken seriously Hillary is a white supremacist too, hth
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Jan 25, 2018 18:22
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gobbagool posted:isn't that already happening in parts of India and the ME?
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Jan 25, 2018 18:22
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The simple fact is that, as a conservative, you buy into white supremacist thought. It's at the root of conservative politics. You can't get around it.
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Jan 25, 2018 18:23
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also i dunno what you're hoping to accomplish fau, but it's kind of ironic that you're engaging with gobbagool, in possibly the least productive way, after complaining that others were replying to them
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Jan 25, 2018 18:24
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rudatron posted:also i dunno what you're hoping to accomplish fau, but it's kind of ironic that you're engaging with gobbagool, in possibly the least productive way, after complaining that others were replying to them him" and also if I thought it was a genuine problem I would have probated people.
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Jan 25, 2018 18:25
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heat waves have already killed tens of thousands of people in europe, and those took place in the 2000s. Project that poo poo into the future and we have reason to worry about people getting baked alive 
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Jan 25, 2018 18:28
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Yossarian-22 posted:heat waves have already killed tens of thousands of people in europe, and those took place in the 2000s. Project that poo poo into the future and we have reason to worry about people getting baked alive those were all old people that died so i'm even more in favor of global warming now
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Jan 25, 2018 18:46
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global warming, just like any other societal stressor, will kill the old, poor, infirm, black and brown, and otherwise margninalized first. in that way it will be not too far out of what we think of as the ordinary that it will be hard to realize it while it is happening in fact its already happening in our backyard in puerto rico
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Jan 25, 2018 18:56
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gobbagool posted:Keep loving that chicken, FAU http://readsettlers.org/settlers.pdf
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Jan 25, 2018 18:59
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Oh good, I keep on forgetting to buy a copy for my Kindle (and I half-expect I'd be put on a watch list if I got it through Amazon). Thanks, even if I'm not who you are hoping will read it.
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In 20 years life is going to be worse for the poor, and more people will be poor, but most of them are still going to have internet and air conditioning so I don't really see collapse coming in the "American Balkanization" or "Civil War Pt. 2: Sherman's Revenge" sense that goons seem to get such a boner thinking about. People are passive, and they are adaptable. Hell, you want a vision of the future just come to West Virginia for a few days.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:well the weird thing is that by all accounts the government is on fire and the country is in systemic decline, but then you walk outside and everything is normal and people are acting normally, so it's a surreal feeling. kinda feels like someone dumped a really big turd in the pool and everyone is trying to pretend it isn't there. This is exactly what Adam Curtis's Hypernormalisation is about and I recommend everyone watch it.
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Karl Barks posted:it seems self evident, if you've ever traveled anywhere other than the US, how dominant and influential US culture is. btw things like the marshall plan are considered soft power, and did more than any stupid lovely coup we've instigated to affect policy in a positive way
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:stuff i've seen with my own eyes and not on the internet, culturally, that have disturbed me over the past two years or so BrutalistMcDonalds posted:but not just guns and ammunition but the branding: CRUSADER with a christian knight carrying an AR-15. i, and others too, have noticed this Highly Weird poo poo. you are not going crazy.
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Jan 25, 2018 22:24
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rudatron posted:the three main issues are the direct temperature threat (heat stroke) in limited areas, lowered or greater variability in precipitation, and acreage of arable land. oh word, is that all? I'll just tell the lab that they need to solve the whole "plants need water to live" thing better then a couple billion years of evolution have and once we've got that done then we'll have fixed a single one of our problems. bing bong simple!
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in my opinion the 2008 crisis and all the obvious crooks getting off scott free marked the end of the rule of law in this country. even if you dont agree with that phrasing i dont think anyone would agree that its undeniable that the rich are above the law that applies to the rest of us. in that environment, where the only "legitimate" source of collective justice (the law and the state) has been undone (and the idea of new laws emerging from the bottom up rather than the top down has been neutered in the shift to neoliberalism*), vigilante justice can sound like the only justice thats possible * im reading a really great book on this called undoing the demos by wendy brown. only a few chapters in but highly recommended
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Willie Tomg posted:i, and others too, have noticed this Highly Weird poo poo. you are not going crazy. I mean, gun and ammo companies crafting advertising to appeal to their target market isn't that Highly Weird. Regarding the Punisher, there's a series out now, i think it's Marvel? Oddly enough, in my daughter's dorm, when they moved in back in August, each new student got a superhero nametag on the door, and hers was....the Punisher edit; clarity
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gobbagool posted:I mean, gun and ammo companies crafting advertising to appeal to their target market isn't that Highly Weird. Regarding the Punisher, there's a series out now, i think it's Marvel? Oddly enough, in my daughter's dorm, when they moved in back in August, each new student got a superhero nametag on the door, and hers was....the Punisher you have no idea what's being talked about lol
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Willie Tomg posted:you have no idea what's being talked about lol yes, you want to point to things in teh culture that have changed that are pointing towards some big picture change. i get it, i just dont agree with it, any more than when hair metal was said to be the harbinger of the decline of western civilization, or rap meant that society was falling apart permanently, forever. people tend to wildly overestimate the importance of current events in historical perspective
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gobbagool posted:yes, you want to point to things in teh culture that have changed that are pointing towards some big picture change. i get it, i just dont agree with it, any more than when hair metal was said to be the harbinger of the decline of western civilization, or rap meant that society was falling apart permanently, forever. people tend to wildly overestimate the importance of current events in historical perspective the advent of rap and it's popularization coincides pretty neatly with the modern destruction of black wealth/community. there's a reason gangsta rap exists and it was considered so dangerous, it reflected the reality of living in ghettos
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Willie Tomg posted:you have no idea what's being talked about lol he has a point in that we've actually always been stupid violent racist pieces of poo poo
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Jan 25, 2018 22:58
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Karl Barks posted:he has a point in that we've actually always been stupid violent racist pieces of poo poo this is true, yet things that were subsumed are now floating to the surface like methane bubbles in a swamp and while one could waste everyone's time pointing out how they've been worse previously you have to be a special kind of blinkered to not see a trend over the last few decades or attempt to normalize that trend considering some of the poo poo that went down the last few times we were more overtly savage to ourselves and others.
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Willie Tomg posted:this is true, yet things that were subsumed are now floating to the surface like methane bubbles in a swamp and while one could waste everyone's time pointing out how they've been worse previously you have to be a special kind of blinkered to not see a trend over the last few decades or attempt to normalize that trend considering some of the poo poo that went down the last few times we were more overtly savage to ourselves and others. nah theres nothing new bubbling to the surface (at least not in the way you think), the things you see were never subsumed or hidden except in the fiction we told ourselves. the new thing is that no generation has ever been as raised by that fiction as the one coming of age right now. Its not the world grown weird, its us. like I can't figure what was the age where this stuff was supposed to have buried? SickZip has issued a correction as of 01:00 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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self unaware posted:people won't be living in Houston unless we develop magical underwater city technology, i dont know if you missed last year but there's only so many times FEMA/the feds can bail out morons building cities next to the coasts while the seas rise up You're right to point out that climate change will be the biggest factor at play here but it also has so many variables it's kind of hard to speculate how it's all going to shake out. I do think that if it sparks things like famine and war leading to mass death then there will be a kind of self-regulating effect. Less people means less CO2 being produced. Also any kind of mass migration would mean those migrating aren't participating in industrial production until they resettle. Kind of a grim way of looking at it I guess but that's a case for why it won't be an extinction-level event.
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MrWilderheap posted:You're right to point out that climate change will be the biggest factor at play here but it also has so many variables it's kind of hard to speculate how it's all going to shake out. I do think that if it sparks things like famine and war leading to mass death then there will be a kind of self-regulating effect. Less people means less CO2 being produced. Also any kind of mass migration would mean those migrating aren't participating in industrial production until they resettle. Kind of a grim way of looking at it I guess but that's a case for why it won't be an extinction-level event. we could all die tomorrow and our no longer existant great grandchildren would still experience a warming climate. a climatic "return to normal" would take centuries to millennia and of course, climate is only meta-stable so the normal it returns to would not necessarily be the same as what it was
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