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Human Grand Prix posted:The Ba'ath themselves are theoretically a Left Wing party. I didn't know left-wing parties privatized major industries and handed them to the leader's family members.
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The X-man cometh posted:I didn't know left-wing parties privatized major industries and handed them to the leader's family members. It makes more sense when you realize the ruling family is the state.
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I forgot, is destroying your own cities, destroying the entire medical and hospital infrastructure of your country, and making half your population homeless now a Socialist plank? Man thank goodness that Assad is secular. I bet those Syrians are super duper grateful for all the Socialism that Assad's helicopters and jet planes have air-dropped over their cities. Long may he secularly reign!
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This whole time I though that National Socialists is a Socialist movement, it's in the name, folks!
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How many days had Mahmoud been in this prison? Emaciated, covered in scars from car batteries and metal cables, he stood there, hanging in his cell, his arms affixed to the ceiling. Suddenly a clanking noise could be heard at his dark metal cell door as it unlocked. "Allah save me!" he screamed. First the torturer beat the bottoms of his feet with a metal truncheon, then looked at him and said "Don't worry, comrade. Allah isn't real, religion is a lie. The only true path is through glorious socialism!" Mahmoud began crying tears of joy. "Thank you, oh blessed kismet! Praise Marx!" he shouted as the torturer began to peel his fingernails off with a pair of pliers. The great burden of false religious thought had been lifted off his upraised shoulders, which had permanent rotator cuff damage due to the constant shoulder dislocations. He decided that if he ever left this prison alive, he would explain to his fellow Syrians how wrong they were about Assad and the Baath Party. As rivulets of blood dripped from his hands onto his unwashed, greasy hair, he proclaimed "Truly this is the best of all possible worlds, for it is a secular country that I live in!"
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Sergg posted:How many days had Mahmoud been in this prison? Emaciated, covered in scars from car batteries and metal cables, he stood there, hanging in his cell, his arms affixed to the ceiling. Suddenly a clanking noise could be heard at his dark metal cell door as it unlocked. "Allah save me!" he screamed. First the torturer beat the bottoms of his feet with a metal truncheon, then looked at him and said "Don't worry, comrade. Allah isn't real, religion is a lie. The only true path is through glorious socialism!" 
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Sergg posted:I forgot, is destroying your own cities, destroying the entire medical and hospital infrastructure of your country, and making half your population homeless now a Socialist plank? As a registered and paid-up member of the Republican National Committee, of course it is.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The Syrian Communist Party and virtually all other major Socialist or Arab nationalist parties have sided with the regime. The Ba'ath themselves are theoretically a Left Wing party. This is the reality. You can either choose to accept it or you can choose to keep sticking your head in the sand. Your "Opposition" is also in the process of dismantling and destroying a Left Wing democratic movement at the behest of Turkey. I mostly lurk in the ME threads whenever I get bored and want to see if SA might have any interesting news stories that I missed from more mainstream sources... and I can’t tell if you’re a troll. I am mostly thinking of China when I make these comments, but the trend for authoritarian nominally socialist countries can seem counterintuitive from a Cold War propagandist’s perspective. Their “right” tends to consists of nationalists and defenders of the supposedly communist regime while their “left” tends to consist of people with more cosmopolitan values, oftentimes with sympathies for some limited neoliberal reforms as a way of fighting corruption and encouraging intergration into the global capitalist system. Conservatives should be understood as people that value stability and hierarchy, not necessarily people that support free market capitalism. In authoritarian “socialist” countries, this oftentimes means defending the party-state since that’s their status quo. Snipee fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Well this is one take https://twitter.com/petpanther0/status/956339701740462080
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Middle East Thread of Eternal Despair - Kurds are Uncucked
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MBS is such a genius. https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/956425869328769025
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Sinteres posted:MBS is such a genius. BREAKING: Qatar rapidly trying to discover whether or not any other major world powers exist they haven't bought weapons from in last few months. "Who else has clout and makes weapons?!" shouted senior admin official.
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Snipee posted:I mostly lurk in the ME threads whenever I get bored and want to see if SA might have any interesting news stories that I missed from more mainstream sources... and I can’t tell if you’re a troll. I am mostly thinking of China when I make these comments, but the trend for authoritarian nominally socialist countries can seem counterintuitive from a Cold War propagandist’s perspective. Their “right” tends to consists of nationalists and defenders of the supposedly communist regime while their “left” tends to consist of people with more cosmopolitan values, oftentimes with sympathies for some limited neoliberal reforms as a way of fighting corruption and encouraging intergration into the global capitalist system. Conservatives should be understood as people that value stability and hierarchy, not necessarily people that support free market capitalism. In authoritarian “socialist” countries, this oftentimes means defending the party-state since that’s their status quo. I'm not trolling. Most of whatever remains of the Syrian non-PYD/YPG/SDF left are allied to the regime. I don't support them(I'm a Rojava backer) but again, this is the reality of the situation.
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This thread is also full of Liberal hawks and neocons who have remained suspiciously silent in the midst of Turkey and
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Freezer posted:For Bulgarians it is a God given right and duty to mess with Turkey whenever possible. It's self-serving but the man is right.
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Human Grand Prix posted:This thread is also full of Liberal hawks and neocons who have remained suspiciously silent in the midst of Turkey and Uhhhhhh
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Human Grand Prix posted:I'm not trolling. Most of whatever remains of the Syrian non-PYD/YPG/SDF left are allied to the regime. I don't support them(I'm a Rojava backer) but again, this is the reality of the situation. so you're differentiating Rojava out but conveniently ignoring the overwhelming number of communist forces under the Rojava banner? You quoted the syrian communist party (which hasn't existed since the 80s and split into multiple tiny parties, one of which you're confusing them with) but not the rather long list of leftists under Rojava, international and PKK both. I guess if you exclude the overwhelmingly majority of leftists that disprove your point, you might be right in your own mind. List the approximate number of leftist forces you believe to be fighting with the regime, we'll wait
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It's always a good sign when allies are calling each other liars over a mutual conversation. Turkey keeps saying Trump didn't tell Erdogan to tone it down in Afrin, and that the readout the White House issued was typed up before the conversation. Meanwhile, the White House continues to insist that the readout was accurate. Trump and Erdogan are both liars, so it's anyone's guess, though it wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump was too stupid to stick to his talking points and the White House is just covering up for that.
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Sinteres posted:It's always a good sign when allies are calling each other liars over a mutual conversation. Turkey keeps saying Trump didn't tell Erdogan to tone it down in Afrin, and that the readout the White House issued was typed up before the conversation. Meanwhile, the White House continues to insist that the readout was accurate. Trump and Erdogan are both liars, so it's anyone's guess, though it wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump was too stupid to stick to his talking points and the White House is just covering up for that. Its a safe bet Trump didn't say what he was supposed to. He didn't do this during speeches, its hard to imagine him doing this in an actual conversation. e: but yeah I don't trust Erdogan at all either so lol
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OTOH Erdogan continuing to call Trump a liar could lead to another spat, like it did with NKorea, so hey...US might actually intervene militarily to help Kurds due to Trump's ego getting wounded again. 
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Cat Mattress posted:Meanwhile, in Abu Dhabi... At first I thought they'd obscured it behind the silhouette of some statue or something - "Here was found [x artifact]". But no, they've excised the whole peninsular. That's a particular kind of revisionism. Count Roland posted:Its a safe bet Trump didn't say what he was supposed to. He didn't do this during speeches, its hard to imagine him doing this in an actual conversation. Trump and Erdogan have been historically cosey haven't they? I'd suggest it's a safe bet Trump ordered everyone from the room... and just forgot. "Did you make the call?" "Yes John" "Did you say the thing...?" "Yes John." "Did you.............?" "No John..." "Moron... Sir..." "Bed now - long day - byebye"
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mlmp08 posted:BREAKING: Qatar rapidly trying to discover whether or not any other major world powers exist they haven't bought weapons from in last few months. "Who else has clout and makes weapons?!" shouted senior admin official. Watch the entire world economy go into recession as MBS invades Qatar and kills off the blossoming weapon's industrial complex.
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MiddleOne posted:Watch the entire world economy go into recession as MBS invades Qatar and kills off the blossoming weapon's industrial complex. "Oh no, not war" -the military industrial complex
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Human Grand Prix posted:I'm not trolling. Most of whatever remains of the Syrian non-PYD/YPG/SDF left are allied to the regime. I don't support them(I'm a Rojava backer) but again, this is the reality of the situation. Would you please source your claim? otherwise you just seem to be talking out of your rear end. Sure you say you back Rojava, but that has nothing to do with your claim. IDGAF about what you believe in, Source your claim if you want some sort of discussion.
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TBF if Turkey invading Afrin is distracting from the ISIS fight then teeeeeechnically....
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Human Grand Prix posted:This thread is also full of Liberal hawks and neocons who have remained suspiciously silent in the midst of Turkey and Actually this is the most active this thread has been in ages. Also, the FSA and Southern Front still hold territory in the Daraa region and many of them were the same people who started the revolution. The Arab left in Syria has been horribly brutalized and suffered defections and cooptions, but it hasn't just disappeared.
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CherryCola posted:TBF if Turkey invading Afrin is distracting from the ISIS fight then teeeeeechnically.... Under the last administration the weapons were provided with the same statement, except with a can-kicking wink and a nudge. Under the current administration, who loving knows whether the state department is still capable of the diplomatic tactic of saying one thing and doing another.
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How reliable is this? https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/956627722993881090/photo/1 quote:New statement by Kurdish officials in Afrin urging Syrian government to interfere to "protect its border with Turkey from the attacks of the Turkish occupier." Translated by @ajaltamimi 👇 
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Cat Mattress posted:How reliable is this? They're asking for Assad to use anti-air defenses against Turkish aircraft, not for regime troops to take over the defense of Afrin.
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Cat Mattress posted:How reliable is this? BBC is report it too, so I'd say pretty reliable. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42826253
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Count Roland posted:"Oh no, not war" I don't we'd see Qatar buying much weapons in the future if anyone ever actually were to attack them. Plus, cold wars are way better money-makers than real wars.
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Zombiepop posted:Would you please source your claim? otherwise you just seem to be talking out of your rear end. PFLP-GC, The Syrian Communist Party, and allied Socialists and Democratic Socialists. It’s true that this is skewed by the fact that Syrian is a dictatorship. They aren’t really a major force. Could you provide examples of any leftist opposition parties that are not allied to the YPG/SDF?
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Have some more uncucked ladies https://twitter.com/kurdscampaign/status/956659140738330624
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Human Grand Prix posted:PFLP-GC, The Syrian Communist Party, and allied Socialists and Democratic Socialists. It’s true that this is skewed by the fact that Syrian is a dictatorship. They aren’t really a major force. The PFLP has gunned down peaceful protesters on behalf of the Assad government. That doesn't disqualify them from being leftist in your eyes, but you have disqualified over 10 million Syrians based on some sweeping generalizations about their religious character. Your methodology seems very scientific. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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the PFLP-GC is the Syrian Baathist stooge splinter group, not PFLP proper.
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Human Grand Prix posted:PFLP-GC, The Syrian Communist Party, and allied Socialists and Democratic Socialists. It’s true that this is skewed by the fact that Syrian is a dictatorship. They aren’t really a major force. Still not seeing any sources. No, I have not made that statement, or any statement about the make-up of assads forces or where the lefties went, (since I dont know anything about it) maybe you are confusing me with someone else, but you have still not loving sourced your claims. I'm starting to suspect it is because ya aint got none, it's hard to take it serious when you are the only one saying this. edit: Also wtf I have to find proof that you are wrong? (when everyone else in the thread is telling you that you are?) Instead of you posting proof that you are right? how the gently caress did you make it through school? edit 2: Sorry for the tone but I am genuinly interested in the subject, and I do find proper sources important. Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:PFLP-GC, The Syrian Communist Party, and allied Socialists and Democratic Socialists. It’s true that this is skewed by the fact that Syrian is a dictatorship. They aren’t really a major force. https://theintercept.com/2016/10/26/syria-yassin-al-haj-saleh-interview/
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