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And oh if you want derpy ships, STO has you covered. These are all Federation ships. This is billed as an improved version of the Defiant.  I liked you better in Babylon 5.  What happens when you contract Starfleet ship design out to a manufacturer of marital aids.  Sisko's gonna be pissed they named this ship after him.  I got nothin. 
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The Bloop posted:What is even in that Hull in the bottom? Yes. The krill must flow 
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Cythereal posted:And oh if you want derpy ships, STO has you covered. These are all Federation ships. Those are all gen-1 ships from The Really lovely Days that have been phased out. I don't know if you can even get some of them anymore. there were many regrets. quote:Yeah this I have no excuse for, I think they were just tired and high.
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Jan 27, 2018 18:20
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MikeJF posted:Those are all gen-1 ships from The Really lovely Days that have been phased out. I don't know if you can even get some of them anymore. They're all still in the game. The Gladius is a z-store ship, the others are kitbash variants of the tactical escort, research science vessel, and star cruiser available in ship customization.
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Fair enough. Although if there's no T6 variant, they're basically phased out. Like how they effectively replaced the old science ballships with the Daedelus/Nautilus. And effectively replaced the Star Cruiser with nothing the Star Cruiser is dead move along people. I think there was only one player ship that was so bad they totally took it out. (Maelstrom) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Jan 27, 2018 18:26
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Starfleet's a bunch of suckers. Hmmm, you know what I want to do is live in tiny quarters and work 60 hours a week and my off time is spent on the same loving ship and I get yelled at by some French jerk all day. And the alternative is post-scarcity no-work gently caress-all-the-holograms-you-want society.
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Jan 27, 2018 18:28
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MikeJF posted:Fair enough. Although if there's no T6 variant, they're basically phased out. Like how they effectively replaced the old science ballships with the Daedelus/Nautilus. And effectively replaced the Star Cruiser with nothing the Star Cruiser is dead move along people. Shame is, I actually like the basic star cruiser design. But those variants, ugh, and the star cruiser really suffered from being cast opposite the assault cruiser, which was both better and the Sovereign class.
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The Bloop posted:It appears that Wesley was in some advanced early admission program. He was still like 16 or something. If he's just waited a few more years there would be no crazy Highlander test. I'm sure it's prestigious to get early admission and makes you a shoe in for RED SQUAD RED SQUAD RED SQUAD Ah that explains it. I was thinking Wes had to be a huge loser to study his whole life with space engineers and nanite projects but still struggle to get admitted to Starfleet while Tasha has no formal education and just gets in. Also hard to imagine Worf studying that hard but whatever.
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Jan 27, 2018 18:36
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MikeJF posted:Yeah this I have no excuse for, I think they were just tired and high. Hey, the ship that looks fat and has lego engines at least clearly looks like a Federation design. And knowing nothing else, I can tell the green ones are Klingon. Still better than a lot of the design "philosophy" on DISCO or the later movies
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Jan 27, 2018 18:41
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The Bloop posted:Hey, the ship that looks fat and has lego engines at least clearly looks like a Federation design. The green triangle one in the top left is Romulan.
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Delthalaz posted:Ah that explains it. I was thinking Wes had to be a huge loser to study his whole life with space engineers and nanite projects but still struggle to get admitted to Starfleet while Tasha has no formal education and just gets in. Also hard to imagine Worf studying that hard but whatever. I mean all the characters can  like they have 4 phds when they need to. I feel like everyone else is just better at not being know-it-alls all the time.
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Cythereal posted:Man, the Crossfield bugs me in STO. It just doesn't look like it belongs in the same era as the 1701, the Reliant, and the other ships of that era. They should have just hired the guy who did the Starfleet Museum, I'd be in for a Lancaster class with shark mouth hull art.
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They teach calculus to like 6 year olds in Next Generation, seems like if you're living as a street rat there'd be a huge gulf in knowledge 
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Cythereal posted:The green triangle one in the top left is Romulan. Lol whelp. I can see it when I zoom in, but I also have to take back what I said about easy recognition.
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The Bloop posted:I can see it when I zoom in, but I also have to take back what I said about easy recognition. If it glows blue, it's Feddie, if it glows red, it's Klank, and if it glows green, it's Rommie.
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Jan 27, 2018 19:18
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MikeJF posted:If it glows blue, it's Feddie, if it glows red, it's Klank, and if it glows green, it's Rommie. Very convenient, really. 
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Nessus posted:My working assumption was that this happened to every general exploration ship. (Cataloguing gaseous anomalies? Well, that might get you a couple of weird events.) The Enterprises were remarkable for surviving. The Klingons respect you if you can stand up to them, they probably view all the space bullshit as an endless epic challenge and revel in it. MikeJF posted:Black Holes as power sources are actually a pretty good idea, and may be more practical in reality than antimatter. You can't really just toss matter at it, a lot of it will get torn to shreds by tidal forces and accumulate in an accretion disk. Orbital mechanics are a bitch to deal with, it doesn't work like it does in Star Trek. Timothy Zahn has a short story where Earth finds an evaporating black hole and nudges it (very carefully) into orbit to provide free energy. They feed it a constant stream of protons or something and then go "oh poo poo!" as it develops a massively positively-charged cloud of particles that didn't make it in, and begins deflecting more and more of what they're throwing at it, and they can't feed it fast enough to keep it from nearly wiping out all life on the planet. This is what the Romulans have on their starships. To be fair, I'm not sure how much safer straight-up antimatter is.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:... I'll give you a hint: it's called anti-matter. :-p
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WHY BONER NOW posted:They teach calculus to like 6 year olds in Next Generation, seems like if you're living as a street rat there'd be a huge gulf in knowledge Tasha had to learn it on the street. She's street calculus-smart, not book calculus-smart.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:The Klingons respect you if you can stand up to them, they probably view all the space bullshit as an endless epic challenge and revel in it. And they do get up to it once in DS9 - in Dramatis Personae it's a Klingon battlecruiser that brings the D'Arsay Archive back to DS9 before self-destructing in an attempt to keep the archive away from the station. The recovered first officer's log suggests that the Klingons think it's glorious to push back the frontier and conquer whatever weird space poo poo they encounter. Contrast the Jem'hadar in One Little Ship who stand around looking blankly at a three-inch long runabout before it shoots them with photon torpedoes.
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Also, about Tasha....why is the Federation ok with a planet that has "rape gangs" on it? I understand her home planet is a failed colony and its seceded from the Federation. I can see the Federation being theoretically ok with secession, in the sense of "Oh, we're a community of equals and don't want you to be part of the Federation if you don't want to be. But it seems like that would apply more to a functional society. If the colony has fallen into anarchy and things have gotten all Mad Max, you'd think the Federation might step in and say, "Look, guys, this has to stop. You have to get your poo poo together."
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Epicurius posted:Also, about Tasha....why is the Federation ok with a planet that has "rape gangs" on it? I understand her home planet is a failed colony and its seceded from the Federation. I can see the Federation being theoretically ok with secession, in the sense of "Oh, we're a community of equals and don't want you to be part of the Federation if you don't want to be. But it seems like that would apply more to a functional society. If the colony has fallen into anarchy and things have gotten all Mad Max, you'd think the Federation might step in and say, "Look, guys, this has to stop. You have to get your poo poo together." Once they withdrew their affiliation, I imagine the Prime Directive applies. It's not the Federation's job to police outside planets unless they are a danger to the Federation itself.
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Epicurius posted:Also, about Tasha....why is the Federation ok with a planet that has "rape gangs" on it? I understand her home planet is a failed colony and its seceded from the Federation. I can see the Federation being theoretically ok with secession, in the sense of "Oh, we're a community of equals and don't want you to be part of the Federation if you don't want to be. But it seems like that would apply more to a functional society. If the colony has fallen into anarchy and things have gotten all Mad Max, you'd think the Federation might step in and say, "Look, guys, this has to stop. You have to get your poo poo together." Like the colonial government didn't just collapse, it got taken over by people who seemed to agree on the policy of "gently caress off, shitfeds!!!" so they could focus on murdering one another.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Once they withdrew their affiliation, I imagine the Prime Directive applies. It's not the Federation's job to police outside planets unless they are a danger to the Federation itself. There’s no way the Prime Directive applies to Earth colonies, that would be ridiculous. The point of the Prime Directive isn’t “don’t engage with things that aren’t under direct Federation control”, it’s “don’t gently caress up alien societies by going around messing with them”. Nessus posted:At a certain point the Federation would be dedicating itself to a grinding occupation and may have figured, quite possibly based on statistical analysis of such attempts across history (including Vulcan and Andorian settlements) that this would be counterproductive. I think this is probably closer to the mark, combined with space is big and Starfleet doesn’t have infinite resources. The episode with Tasha’s sister suggests that no starship has visited the planet in years — I forget if they give a specific number.
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skasion posted:There’s no way the Prime Directive applies to Earth colonies, that would be ridiculous. The point of the Prime Directive isn’t “don’t engage with things that aren’t under direct Federation control”, it’s “don’t gently caress up alien societies by going around messing with them”. Does it count for the Delta Quadrant Dinosaur Planet?
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skasion posted:I think this is probably closer to the mark, combined with space is big and Starfleet doesn’t have infinite resources. The episode with Tasha’s sister suggests that no starship has visited the planet in years — I forget if they give a specific number.
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Epicurius posted:Also, about Tasha....why is the Federation ok with a planet that has "rape gangs" on it? I understand her home planet is a failed colony and its seceded from the Federation. I can see the Federation being theoretically ok with secession, in the sense of "Oh, we're a community of equals and don't want you to be part of the Federation if you don't want to be. But it seems like that would apply more to a functional society. If the colony has fallen into anarchy and things have gotten all Mad Max, you'd think the Federation might step in and say, "Look, guys, this has to stop. You have to get your poo poo together." Rape gangs exist on lovely parts of this planet right now. You don't need Mad Max globally for that.
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feedmegin posted:Rape gangs exist on lovely parts of this planet right now. You don't need Mad Max globally for that. I know. But the impression we get from the episode with Tasha's sister is that the entire planet is like that. Just all war and poverty and violence.
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Epicurius posted:I know. But the impression we get from the episode with Tasha's sister is that the entire planet is like that. Just all war and poverty and violence. Yes it makes you wonder why everyone hasn’t left for the Federation. Like well we could scavenge for garbage here and hopefully avoid gang rape on this totally hosed planet - or move to a post-scarcity utopia like 99+% of other humans. It would make sense if they were religious fanatics or something.
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skasion posted:There’s no way the Prime Directive applies to Earth colonies, that would be ridiculous. The point of the Prime Directive isn’t “don’t engage with things that aren’t under direct Federation control”, it’s “don’t gently caress up alien societies by going around messing with them”. Even if it's not strictly a Prime Directive issue, the Federation still very firmly believes in the right of self-determination. At the end of the day, if a society decides that they'd rather organize under various fiefdoms and fight it out amongst themselves for supremacy, the Feds aren't going to tell them they can't do that. And, yeah, we're not talking about knocking over a central state authority and installing your own preferred leaders; pacifying Turkana 4 is going to require a large occupation force and probably be a pretty bloody affair even with phasers on stun. Who are you going to find willing to serve in that occupation force, and/or how much public support do you think there's going to be to send thousands (or millions, depending on how big the planetary population is!) of troops to get some dipshits to straighten up and live right?
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This is like Tiny Toons Starfleet or something. "Space bullshit" is the best term I've ever heard to describe the stuff that the Enterprise et al regularly encounter, and it should be retconned into the franchise immediately. "Captain's log, stardate 3473.2. We encountered some space bullshit that killed three of the crew. Their families have been informed."
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Payndz posted:
I think that ship is from the mirror universe. No no, not the evil one, just the one that's literally flipped like in a mirror.
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Delthalaz posted:Yes it makes you wonder why everyone hasn’t left for the Federation. Like well we could scavenge for garbage here and hopefully avoid gang rape on this totally hosed planet - or move to a post-scarcity utopia like 99+% of other humans. It would make sense if they were religious fanatics or something. Like, there's almost certainly a Mormon planet, for instance; it is just that the Mormons probably have no problem being contributing members to the Federation. Nessus fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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The whole idea of Mormonism is it you get into S tier heaven you get your own planet, so I wonder how that works out when you can conceivably accomplish that within your mortal life.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The whole idea of Mormonism is it you get into S tier heaven you get your own planet, so I wonder how that works out when you can conceivably accomplish that within your mortal life. Well, if you expanded that gifting definitionition to planetOIDS, pretty far. People being people, I'd like to think there are quite a few Objectivism colonies out there, well beyond the boonies, dying and scrabbling for resources like the good Lord intended.
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SpeakSlow posted:People being people, I'd like to think there are quite a few Objectivism colonies out there, well beyond the boonies, dying and scrabbling for resources like the good Lord intended. Probably what gave rise to Turkana 4.
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