Auspol January 2018: Same Shit, Different Year

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NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

Synthbuttrange posted:

why are conservatives so nuts about phonics?!

Pollution of the language leads to pollution of the race

# ? Jan 28, 2018 21:46

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 15:02

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Wow someone just shared that FriendlyJordies video from before Australia Day and my oh my what a scalding take lmao.

# ? Jan 28, 2018 23:02

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-29/royal-national-park-glamping-development-set-for-legal-challenge/9368506

quote:

Opponents of a "glamping" development in the Royal National Park near Sydney are set to launch a legal challenge against the New South Wales Government.
NSW Environment Minister Gabrielle Upton has approved plans for a road to the site, paving the way for the eco-tourism project to be built at Spring Gully.
The blueprint includes accommodation for up to 12 people in six luxury tents, which would be built on private land between the Royal National Park and the town of Bundeena.
The Spring Gully Protection Group (SGPG) said the area was prone to bushfires and the wrong site for accommodation.
SPRG chairman Mark Da Silva said his organisation had been fighting the proposal for five years.
He described the glamping development as a "good idea".
"But it's in completely the wrong location," he said.
"The idea of needing to clear over 430 trees from a critically endangered ecological community in one of the most biodiverse areas of the Royal National Park to accommodate six glamping safari tents and one caretaker's residence is simply absurd, obscene and it's not in the interests of the environment or in the public interest."
Over 2,000 objections were lodged against development of the road.
The NSW Land and Environment Court last year granted consent to the development on the condition the site was given road access.
The local couple behind the development declined an interview with the ABC, but insist the camp will be sustainable, small scale and low impact.
A start date for construction has not yet been set.
Mr Da Silva said his organisation would challenge the Minister's decision in court, warning any development would put critically endangered scrub and threatened species at risk.
NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge said he was worried about the development.
"The Government doesn't get it when protecting environmental assets, also planning laws are stacked in favour of development even when we know it will cause major damage on the outskirts of the oldest national park in Australia," he said.
A spokesperson for Ms Upton said they were aware of the looming legal action.

# ? Jan 28, 2018 23:03

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

NSW, poo poo?

# ? Jan 28, 2018 23:14

Night Shade: Jan 13, 2013; Old School

cheese-cube posted:

Hey so I want to join a union but don't know how to go about doing so. I work in IT and my workplace isn't unionised at all. If someone can PM me with some getting started tips or something that would be good because I have NFI how to approach things or if it's even possible whatever.

Two unions come to mind: Australian Services Union if by IT you mean support, or Professionals Australia if by IT you mean design/development/QA.

You don't need to have any existing union presence in your workplace to join, just give them a call and ask. As far as I'm aware I'm the only union member where I work.

# ? Jan 28, 2018 23:16

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

Recoome posted:

NSW, poo poo?

Good call op

# ? Jan 28, 2018 23:21

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Don Dongington posted:

If your car ever gets invaded by a huntsman, don't think that releasing an army of rats inside it will take care of the problem.

That's what Anidav thought, and

GoldStandardConure posted:

Thats why he had to go to China, to get some of those genetically engineered funnel web spiders the ancient emperor used to achieve immortality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Tomb

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:24

Kafka Syrup: Apr 29, 2009

Night Shade posted:

Two unions come to mind: Australian Services Union if by IT you mean support, or Professionals Australia if by IT you mean design/development/QA.

You don't need to have any existing union presence in your workplace to join, just give them a call and ask. As far as I'm aware I'm the only union member where I work.

Same. You can also be a member of multiple unions (especially if you have one union covering your industry and another covering your occupation) - which might help when one has more expertise over an issue as another. I'm a member of like four or five unions at this point.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:25

The Neal!: Sep 3, 2004

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/australia-unveils-plan-to-become-one-of-worlds-top-10-arms-exporters

quote:

Australia is set to become one of the world�s largest arms exporters under a controversial Turnbull government plan.

The prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has unveiled a new �defence export strategy� setting out the policy and strategy to make Australia one of the world�s top 10 weapons exporters within the next decade.

Hailing it a job-creating plan for local manufacturers, the Coalition says Australia only sells about $1.5bn to $2.5bn in �defence exports� a year and it wants the value of those exports to increase significantly.

It has identified a number of �priority markets�: the Middle East, the Indo-Pacific region, Europe, the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada and New Zealand.

It will set up a new Defence Export Office to work hand in hand with Austrade and the Centre for Defence Industry Capability to coordinate the commonwealth�s whole-of-government export efforts and provide a focal point for more arms exports.

A $3.8bn Defence Export Facility, to be administered by the Export Finance and Insurance Corporation, will provide the finance local companies need to help them sell their defence equipment overseas.

A new Australian Defence Export Advocate position, set up to support the Australian Defence Export Office, will provide industry with the constant high-level advocacy needed to promote Australian-made weapons overseas.

�It is an ambitious, positive plan to boost Australian industry, increase investment, and create more jobs for Australian businesses,� Turnbull said.

�A strong, exporting defence industry in Australia will provide greater certainty of investment, support high-end manufacturing jobs and support the capability of the Australian defence force.�

The controversial plan has been anticipated since mid-2017 when Christopher Pyne, the defence industry minister, said he wanted to start selling far more Australian-made weapons overseas.

At the time, Tim Costello, the World Vision Australia chief advocate, attacked the plan, saying the government had cut humanitarian aid which saved lives while simultaneously discussing the merits of becoming a major weapons manufacturer and exporter.

�The government says this is an export and investment opportunity, but we would be exporting death and profiting from bloodshed,� Costello said last year. �There is only one purpose in making a weapon and that is to kill someone with it. Do we really want that to be what people think of when they see the brand �made in Australia�?�

Costello said at the time that the contemporary Syrian war � now in its eighth year � could not have lasted for more than a year without armaments profiteering. As a result, there had been more than 300,000 people killed, including thousands of children, 13.5 million people in need of humanitarian assistance, 6.3 million people internally displaced and 5 million people turned into refugees.

�Defence industry minister Christopher Pyne says he wants Australia to become a major arms exporter on par with Britain, France and Germany and use exports to �cement relationships� with countries in volatile regions such as the Middle East. Is it really a good idea to sell weapons in a volatile region?�

A government fact sheet says the strategy �sets a new direction for Australian defence exports�.

The government will set aside $20m a year to implement the strategy, including $6.35m to implement strategic multi-year export campaigns, an additional $3.2m to expand the Global Supply Chain program, and an additional $4.1m for grants to help build the capability of small and medium enterprises to compete internationally.

�This strategy is about job creation,� Turnbull said in a joint statement with Pyne, the minister for defence, Marise Payne, and the minister for trade, Steven Ciobo.

�It will give Australian defence companies the support they need to grow, invest and deliver defence capability. It will make Australian defence exports among the best in the world.�

Between 2012 and 2016, the 10 largest arms exporters were, in order: the US, Russia, China, France, Germany, the UK, Spain, Italy, Ukraine and Israel.

Australia was the 20th largest arms exporter during that period, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

Anthony Albanese, the shadow minister for infrastructure, said it was unclear why the government was happy to back advanced manufacturing in defence when it had withdrawn support for the car industry, and it was not a big supporter of renewable energy technology.

�Why is it that the government isn�t investing, for example, into tax on the renewable energy sector?� he said.

�If we had commercialised over the years the breakthroughs that have been made in Australia in solar, in wind, in wave technology, then we would be a lot better off today in terms of jobs and export potential.�

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:34

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Remember when we made cars.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:37

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I like that "ethical" businesses (however you class them) are performing way better on the market than anything else right now, but due to coal being hosed, it is clear that our only other option is guns.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:41

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

Wouldn't have thought there was such a huge market for armed canoes

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:45

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

https://twitter.com/cursedimages_2/status/957439931814686722

https://twitter.com/squires_david/status/957444775275147264

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:01

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Yeah but who would buy guns from a country that banned guns?

It's like buying milk from your lactose intolerant neighbour.

It's weird, awkward and they both smell like poo poo.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:07

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Anidav posted:

Yeah but who would buy guns from a country that banned guns?

It's like buying milk from your lactose intolerant neighbour.

It's weird, awkward and they both smell like poo poo.

Don't we already sell shitloads of those Steyer guns we make under licence?

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:13

Dude McAwesome: Sep 30, 2004; Still better than a Ponytar

What the gently caress are we going to export?

Prefabricated concentration camps?

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:13

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Prefabricated smug.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:16

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

bandaid.friend posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-29/royal-national-park-glamping-development-set-for-legal-challenge/9368506

Don't have any details, but 6 x 2 person eco-tents doesn't sound like too big a deal? More people in the park might increase appreciation for it?

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:17

Sparticle: Oct 7, 2012

So I assume we will be selling weapons to New Zealand, random islands in the Pacific, and authoritarian regimes in the middle-east. Cool plan, I'm sure it will create lots of jobs and definitely won't result in supplying arms to future enemy states (New Zealand).

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:18

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Hobo Erotica posted:

Don't have any details, but 6 x 2 person eco-tents doesn't sound like too big a deal? More people in the park might increase appreciation for it?

The part where they clear 500 trees is, though.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:18

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

MikeJF posted:

The part where they clear 500 trees is, though.

I bet a small shrub is technically a tree.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:23

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

I hear there's a pretty big market in the Philippines.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:24

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Synthbuttrange posted:

why are conservatives so nuts about phonics?!

For many ordinary people it's the way they learnt, so it's the only way it should be taught. They don't like it when teachers use a learning method they are unfamiliar with, or can't comprehend how it logically works.

For the political class, it is the 'objective' way to read. It is another facet of the conservative culture war on post modernism and subjectivity. Phonics has a single correct, authoritative reading of a word. One of the alternative methods uses fake words which really chaps their rear end.

Tokamak fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jan 29, 2018

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:36

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

Hobo Erotica posted:

Don't have any details, but 6 x 2 person eco-tents doesn't sound like too big a deal? More people in the park might increase appreciation for it?

From what the opposition group says on their website, the 500 trees are fully grown and are being cleared from the road. They say more ("thousands" more) trees will need clearing to make the development and the road fire-safe

I think they're more like air-conditioned cabins than tents. Throw a bit of canvas around and it's trendy. There's also a two-story kitchen building and four-bedroom caretaker's house. The eco-tourism thing is bullshit in my opinion, people interested in nature'd already be there. Besides, there's a camping site nearby

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:43

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Anidav posted:

Yeah but who would buy guns from a country that banned guns?

It's like buying milk from your lactose intolerant neighbour.

It's weird, awkward and they both smell like poo poo.

Apparently due to things like "quality control", ammo manufactured in Australia is very good, much like milk products I guess

grain of salt though this is just second hand poo poo talking from former-adf guys

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:50

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Anidav posted:

Yeah but who would buy guns from a country that banned guns?

It's like buying milk from your lactose intolerant neighbour.

It's weird, awkward and they both smell like poo poo.

The UK exports insane amounts of arms to brutal dictators all over the world. It's been going on for so long I don't think anyone even has bumper stickers against it any more.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:54

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

JBP posted:

I bet a small shrub is technically a tree.

LOL if you think for one second that government environmental standards favour the environmentalists.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:56

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Knobb Manwich posted:

Apparently due to things like "quality control", ammo manufactured in Australia is very good, much like milk products I guess

grain of salt though this is just second hand poo poo talking from former-adf guys

Salty ADF guys are certainly not immune to idiotic Australian Exceptionalism.

Pretty sure they're the ones who started the bs about the Aus SAS being undefeatable supersoldiers that make JSOC look like boyscouts learning to poo poo in the woods. I mean yeah they're well trained but the degree to which people crap on about them being the world's most elite fighting force is just :jerkbag:

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:58

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Starshark posted:

LOL if you think for one second that government environmental standards favour the environmentalists.

Pardon? The number is quoted by an activist who is against the development. It doesn't say official government environment tree metric anywhere.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 02:05

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

Night Shade posted:

Two unions come to mind: Australian Services Union if by IT you mean support, or Professionals Australia if by IT you mean design/development/QA.

You don't need to have any existing union presence in your workplace to join, just give them a call and ask. As far as I'm aware I'm the only union member where I work.

Cool thanks!

# ? Jan 29, 2018 02:17

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Tokamak posted:

For many ordinary people it's the way they learnt, so it's the only way it should be taught. They don't like it when teachers use a learning method they are unfamiliar with, or can't comprehend how it logically works.

For the political class, it is the 'objective' way to read. It is another facet of the conservative culture war on post modernism and subjectivity. Phonics has a single correct, authoritative reading of a word. One of the alternative methods uses fake words which really chaps their rear end.

i thought phonics used fake words? for example in a test there will be fake words that students need to say �correctly� to show that they can apply phonics methods to sound out new words and aren�t just relying on memory.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 02:31

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

BBJoey posted:

i thought phonics used fake words? for example in a test there will be fake words that students need to say �correctly� to show that they can apply phonics methods to sound out new words and aren�t just relying on memory.

That seems dumb given that English is an idiot mongrel language

# ? Jan 29, 2018 02:45

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

All I know about phonics is that it doesn't work, as shown by my discussion with SMG this morning.

"Do you want a banana darling?"
"Amana!"

"Okay, here you go. Can you say ba?"
"Ba!"
"Na?"
"Na!"
"Na?"
"Na!"
"Now put it together and say ba-na-na"
"Amana!"

# ? Jan 29, 2018 02:54

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Solemn Sloth posted:

That seems dumb given that English is an idiot mongrel language

you may be surprised to learn that the tories� ideas regarding the school curriculum are not in fact based on best practice

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:33

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Solemn Sloth posted:

That seems dumb given that English is an idiot mongrel language

Plough, slough, trough. Similar spellings, very different pronunciation.

I don't know much about the various methods of teaching news words to kids, but given that conservatives' primary goal in education is the production of mindless drones, I'm guessing phonics is the "stand and repeat after teacher" method, as opposed to methods which teach simple etymology and syntax and require the kids to be engaged and think.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:46

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Gorilla Salad posted:

Plough, slough, trough. Similar spellings, very different pronunciation.

I don't know much about the various methods of teaching news words to kids, but given that conservatives' primary goal in education is the production of mindless drones, I'm guessing phonics is the "stand and repeat after teacher" method, as opposed to methods which teach simple etymology and syntax and require the kids to be engaged and think.

You obviously haven't seen Blair Cottrell's masterful think piece youtube vid entitled "the retard factory".

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:56

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

BBJoey posted:

i thought phonics used fake words? for example in a test there will be fake words that students need to say �correctly� to show that they can apply phonics methods to sound out new words and aren�t just relying on memory.

Conservatives aren't known to be consistent with their positions. It's the vibe.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 04:00

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

JBP posted:

You obviously haven't seen Blair Cottrell's masterful think piece youtube vid entitled "the retard factory".

That's not a nice way for him to talk about his mum.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 04:03

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

All I know about phonics is that it doesn't work, as shown by my discussion with SMG this morning.

"Do you want a banana darling?"
"Amana!"

"Okay, here you go. Can you say ba?"
"Ba!"
"Na?"
"Na!"
"Na?"
"Na!"
"Now put it together and say ba-na-na"
"Amana!"

Read that as SuperMechaGodzilla at first.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 04:10

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MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Inescapable Duck posted:

Read that as SuperMechaGodzilla at first.

She can babble on for ages about topics and no one knows what she's talking about so she's not far off

# ? Jan 29, 2018 04:35

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