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I think Hanzo is stronger. I think Hanzo's abilities are so broken that he will eventually have to have his stats reduced until he's at Tassadar-level win rates in HL.
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Libertine posted:There's nothing wrong with Raynor. The criticism of him has reached like almost meme-worthy levels on all the HOTS internet discussions. I feel like the complete archetype of that was Grubby's rant about Raynor on stream and then a guy on his team picks him and wins MVP of the match. He's a basic, straight-forward, damage dealer with a cohesive yet simple kit that effectively does its job in almost any circumstance. Raynor could use a talent review to add some build diversity, but that's true of about two-thirds of the cast. Jimmy is kind weak over all considering he doesn't bring anything to the table that someone else can. Other heroes outshine him on damage, mobility, utility or some combination of the 3.
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bamhand posted:Jimmy is kind weak over all considering he doesn't bring anything to the table that someone else can. Other heroes outshine him on damage, mobility, utility or some combination of the 3. No one outshines him in attack-moving.
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You could say he...eliminates all distractions.
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Midnightghoul posted:Thank god they buffed Greymane Malth changes are overall a buff imo. Between his basic attacks cleaving and massacre moving to 7, he can potentially poo poo out a LOT more AOE damage in team fights. You can also now get the bonus of Die Alone after E'ing a minion wave. Heroe's Hearth has Maeiv's complete talent tree up. She has some incredible talents, but as expected zero sustain in her tree.
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Libertine posted:No one outshines him in attack-moving. Pretty sure Valla and ZJ both do.
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quote:Zeratul: Blink will now correctly break invisibility.
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Something that nobody's really talked about is that the Triglav Protector has received some pretty massive buffs. If two people are inside of it instead of just one it gains 10 armor and 25% extra damage, plus the root on its rocket fist now lasts 4 seconds instead of 2 and the gatling cannon is now more responsive and fires faster. And on top of all that it gets more base health and health scaling.
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Triglav definitely needs the buff. It is pretty weak as far as maps objectives go. I know my volskaya games often tend to go to level 20+ for both teams. Not to mention the fact that the gunner seat position hasn't held a lot of value in the past. You were usually better just having a driver.
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1stGear posted:There's a Three Greymane Moon spray. It's an icon, not a spray, sadly. Also it's Graymane and omen's two heads.
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Filthy Monkey posted:Triglav definitely needs the buff. It is pretty weak as far as maps objectives go. I know my volskaya games often tend to go to level 20+ for both teams. Not to mention the fact that the gunner seat position hasn't held a lot of value in the past. You were usually better just having a driver. I'm wood league so while I know this is conventional wisdom my experience has been that having one person solo pilot the protector means it doesn't get anything done, you might just some towers down but otherwise it just dies too quick, while having a gunner at least let's you get some more damage out of it, which makes it a good option for lower damage heroes to chip in with some siege. I don't disagree with the buffs, but I do think that the combo of 25% extra damage and that gatling gun buff is going to lead to some surprising moments of "hey where'd all my health go."
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bamhand posted:Pretty sure Valla and ZJ both do. Both of them are much more reliant on spell-weaving to do damage than Raynor, and hilariously enough both of them (and Hanzo and Genji) all have lower win-rates than Raynor. Polio Vax Scene posted:tracer literally attacks while moving I love playing Tracer right now and use her a lot. She's much more mobile than Raynor (or almost anyone but Genji) but her damage is much less reliable. There are a lot of enemy team comps that are really difficult to find angles into fights where you can sustain damage over long periods. Raynor can position himself in range on almost any fight over the full duration because his entire kit is designed for safe sustained damage dealing.
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One thing they didn't touch on in the hero spotlight is that it looks like Maiev can talent into a fair number of percentage based damage from as early as level 4. I don't think it'll necessarily be enough to use her as a primary tankbuster per se but it's interesting that you can build her in that direction.
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Do you still take tormented souls on Malthael after this nerf to it and reaper's mark?
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1stGear posted:There's a Three Greymane Moon spray. One Greymane and two wolf mounts actually.
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Sindai posted:Blizzard reads this thread. Well there IS a blizzard goon. He does art though, but you're technically correct!
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Libertine posted:There's nothing wrong with Raynor. There's nothing wrong with Raynor's design except that it's on Raynor specifically. It does nothing to represent his character or why he's important to the Starcraft universe, both from a story perspective and a theme perspective. If it was on Soldier 76 (who is supposed to be the most boring and straightforward white-bread DPS ever), then I wouldn't care, but it being on Raynor specifically is what a lot of people take issue with (myself included). Also: Libertine posted:No one outshines him in attack-moving. Ol' Jimmy's +1 range does help keep him out of trouble, but:
2) Zul'jin doesn't outdamage Raynor even with Berserker active, but getting stacks for his quest changes that quickly. Zul'jin can also match Raynor's range by hitting heroes 75 times (not hard) and outrange Raynor until level 20 with Headhunter (difficult in high-skill matches, but you don't necessarily NEED 7.5 range once you have 6.5 from You Want Axe). 3) loving Hanzo out-AAs Raynor with Redemption (not hard to get) and harshly out-AAs Raynor with Sharpened Arrowheads. This is something Hanzo does with a default 7.5 range, +1 further than Raynor. A case could also be made for Tychus because his stats are just so much better than Jimmy's but that would involve arguing about range and positioning and poo poo and I just don't care to die on that hill. Kith fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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lucifirius posted:Well there IS a blizzard goon. He does art though, but you're technically correct! there's a lot more than just one goon at blizzard i guarantee
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A new low for the thread where someone tries to argue that actually, Raynor is the best hero.
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Kerrrrrrr posted:there's a lot more than just one goon at blizzard i guarantee Correction, there's one that I know of. But yeah, I wouldn't doubt there being more than one goon at Blizzard.
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beejay posted:the best hero. This is Jimmy.
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beejay posted:A new low for the thread where someone tries to argue that actually, Raynor is the best hero. give this man some pepper
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jackhunter64 posted:This is Jimmy.
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How Blizzard gon have a Lunar Festival and not give Li Li even one new skin? Li Li hasn't gotten any new skins in forever, what's the deal here?
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She already has a lunar skin. It looks awkward.
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Cuatal posted:How Blizzard gon have a Lunar Festival and not give Li Li even one new skin? Li Li hasn't gotten any new skins in forever, what's the deal here? I still think their reasoning for not giving Ragnaros a cool skin is super dumb. They claim he'd be "hard to read" or whatever which is total nonsense. Give him the water or snow based skin he deserves Blizz!!!
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Macaluso posted:I still think their reasoning for not giving Ragnaros a cool skin is super dumb. They claim he'd be "hard to read" or whatever which is total nonsense. Give him the water or snow based skin he deserves Blizz!!! Well this would be easy to prove or disprove. Does DOTA2 or League have a Firelord analog, and if so, do they have different skins? If yes, then lol.
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Yukari posted:Do you still take tormented souls on Malthael after this nerf to it and reaper's mark? "we're going to remove the armor, buff Malth's other ways to quickly spread his passive, and buff the other ult just to see how many people still pick this trash ult out of habit" -Blizz designers, giggling
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If you pick Malthael in general after this rework then you probably hate yourself and also your team so I guess it doesn’t really matter what Ult you go for. Edit: Rag should have a legendary skin that changes him into a Windlord, and instead of [Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros] he uses [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]. Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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beejay posted:A new low for the thread where someone tries to argue that actually, Raynor is the best hero. That wasn't my argument at all, and even a laziest possible reading of it could have figured that out. My argument is that he isn't the worst hero, and that he is in fact much better than many other more popular heroes who he is relentlessly maligned with comic frequency in comparison to. Grubby's argument is that Raynor doesn't have enough playmaking potential to be worth picking (even as both his observed and statistical performance indicate this to be untrue), and my argument is that most teams need at least one ranged attacker, you don't always need your ranged attacker to be a playmaker, sometimes a safe and reliable high uptime sustained damage dealer is ideal -- and the circumstances for which this is the case is far greater than people commonly think because of confirmation bias.
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ToastyPotato posted:Well this would be easy to prove or disprove. Does DOTA2 or League have a Firelord analog, and if so, do they have different skins? If yes, then lol. Riot was (is?) extremely hesitant to make skins for Zac, but I think that had more to do with him being a humanoid blob that is constantly moving, stretching and changing. His character size is also dependent on his health. I'd link to the champion spotlight, but he has had a rework since his release. Edit: This seems up to date. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2WkMHAX6I Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Jimmy's statistical performance is lowest winrate by far in master hotlog (which maps to diamond/master HL) this week. Below that he can exist. It's a bad week for him, he's normally not dead last, he's just uniquely funny because he's never ever optimal. No Wave fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Watching nubkeks play some Maiev. Her basic attack does seem fairly unimpressive which means Fan of Knives as a primary source of damage makes sense, and she absolutely does seem to shred that level 1 all mid brawl people love to do for no good reason, so you can expect to see a lot of video compilations of that in the near future. Her waveclear seems adequate, you can use the shadow spirit thing to damage a wave coming and going, then use knives and some basic attacks, but without any self sustain I don't know how good at solo laning she'll be. The leap doesn't break things like Azmodan's laser apparently, so keep that in mind. e; if anything gets nerfed about her it's going to be how easy it seems to get armor stacked up on her, she has 15 base armor and a talent at 13 that gives you 25 additional armor after using an ability that can be kept perpetually refreshed while autoattacking. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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No Wave posted:Jimmy's statistical performance is lowest winrate by far in master hotlog (which maps to diamond/master HL) this week. Below that he can exist. 
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Jimmy also has the honor of there being no correlation at all between the player's experience level with Raynor and win rate.
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Kai Tave posted:The leap doesn't break things like Azmodan's laser apparently, so keep that in mind. Isn't Azmo's laser one of the most pointlessly sticky spells in the game tho.
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John Murdoch posted:Isn't Azmo's laser one of the most pointlessly sticky spells in the game tho. My favorite moment as Azmo was using the laser to kill a Valeera while she was in her smoke cloud.
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