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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:I would normally never recommend this, but the people saying Three Billboards is as bad as Crash really need to rewatch Crash. For real though
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sponges posted:This scene is giving mixed messages The whole movie does. It's a shamelessly manipulative film, but some of the manipulation is moving enough that you can understand why voters might get caught up in it. The car crash scene is the signature moment and it probably just stuck with people in the right way as to allow the rest of the mess cross the Best Picture finish line.
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Jan 30, 2018 04:55
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:The whole movie does. It's a shamelessly manipulative film, but some of the manipulation is moving enough that you can understand why voters might get caught up in it. People were also all hot on Paul Haggis after Million Dollar Baby (which frankly I don’t think was that great either, although it’s certainly better than Crash)
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Jan 30, 2018 05:00
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Million Dollar Baby is better than Crash but is still like miles and miles away from being as good as Unforgiven is.
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Raxivace posted:Million Dollar Baby is better than Crash but is still like miles and miles away from being as good as Unforgiven is. True, though to be fair, Unforgiven is like unbelievably good
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:I would normally never recommend this, but the people saying Three Billboards is as bad as Crash really need to rewatch Crash. I said Three Billboards being nominated and considered a front runner is almost as insulting as Crash winning Best Picture. I think Crash is a much worse film.
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Jan 30, 2018 05:57
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:It's reach exceeds its grasp. As I said, PTA hasn't mad a bad film. It's a nearly perfect film, and I am unanimous in my opinion.
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Jan 30, 2018 06:07
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Magic Hate Ball posted:It's a nearly perfect film, and I am unanimous in my opinion. 
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Crash is the second worst film ever made by a human. The first is Attack of the Clones.
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Raxivace posted:I haven't seen Phantom Thread yet and maybe that will change my mind, but PTA's movies always feel like he's so self-consciously trying to make a masterpiece that even with the virtuoso filmmaking on display I still just find them offputting and not very engaging. It's not that there's any specific flaw I can point at in them to quantify this, but there's just this nothingness I feel from them, like the artist behind the work doesn't have a soul himself. despite the way it's most popularly consumed (in a dreamlike chamber surrounded by other human beings) film is an inherently distant, cold medium prone to voyeurism and digital photography has exacerbated that aspect. some people revel in it and succeed, others connect in spite of it, still others are clearly trying to overcome it and fail.
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also if we're playing the "what should have won the oscar" game, aside from the basic canon (la confidential over titanic, fargo over the english patient), i submit gosford park over a beautiful mind and the hours over chicago probably easier to pick the years the RIGHT movie won best picture since you can count them on one hand
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R. Guyovich posted:also if we're playing the "what should have won the oscar" game, aside from the basic canon (la confidential over titanic, fargo over the english patient), i submit gosford park over a beautiful mind and the hours over chicago If we go by what was nominated at least I’d say Arrival is better than moonlight by a huge margin Spotlight was fantastic but The Big Short should have won Whiplash over Birdman (gently caress anything is better than birdman) also would have been nice for Wes Anderson to win for Grand Budapest 12 years a slave deserved it Django over Argo 2011 really loving sucked, so uh Social Network over Kings speech which is the worst movie in 20 years A serious Man over the hurt locker (lmfao how did this win?!?!) Holy poo poo 2008 was a bad year too? There will be blood over No country for old men Departed deserved it that year ANYTHING OVER CRASH ( my pick would be goodnight and good luck) Aviator over million dollar baby Lord of the rings deserved it Lord of the rings over Chicago Lord of the rings over a beautiful mind Gladiator deserved it
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Jan 30, 2018 08:27
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The Orville posted:If we go by what was nominated at least I’d say I agree with you about Whiplash, Django, Social Network and obviously Crash. The rest I either vociferously disagree or think that none of the movies are the absolute best that the year had to offer, but the other four movies nominated aren't any more exciting (2000-2005) also if you go back a few more years you get to movies that should have won like The Insider and Anything That Is Not Forrest Gump (seriously that over Quiz Show, Pulp Fiction and Shawshank??)
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DC Murderverse posted:I agree with you about Whiplash, Django, Social Network and obviously Crash. The rest I either vociferously disagree or think that none of the movies are the absolute best that the year had to offer, but the other four movies nominated aren't any more exciting (2000-2005) Crash is the most egregious by far.
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Jan 30, 2018 09:12
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Raxivace posted:Million Dollar Baby is better than Crash but is still like miles and miles away from being as good as Unforgiven is. If anything was going to, Mystic River should've been the one that won Eastwood his second pair of Oscars instead of Million Dollar Baby. Someone other than Al Pacino should've won Best Actor in 1993. From what I've seen of it (I haven't watched the whole thing) Pacino is fine in Scent of a Woman but it was a pretty obvious, "Okay, we didn't give you anything for The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, ...And Justice For All, Dick Tracy etc. and didn't even nominate you for Scarface so here's a consolation prize!" situation in retrospect. The other nominees that year were Clint Eastwood (Unforgiven), RDJ (Chaplin), Stephen Rea (The Crying Game) and Denzel Washington (Malcolm X).
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Jan 30, 2018 10:02
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Wheat Loaf posted:If anything was going to, Mystic River should've been the one that won Eastwood his second pair of Oscars instead of Million Dollar Baby. Ewww, no.
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Jan 30, 2018 10:09
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Ewww, no. Personal preference: I just like it better than Million Dollar Baby because I enjoy mysteries more than sports dramas.
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The Orville posted:If we go by what was nominated at least I’d say best of the nominees (actual best movie or movies that year) get out (i am not your negro, get out, lady macbeth) manchester by the sea or moonlight (toni erdmann, personal shopper) mad max: fury road (carol, embrace of the serpent) 2014 oscars sucked rear end. i guess boyhood or whiplash? (winter sleep, the act of killing, goodbye to language, two days one night. it was a good year outside the us) 12 years a slave, nebraska (upstream color, pain and gain) amour (amour, holy motors, the dark knight rises) the tree of life (margaret, the tree of life, a separation) 2010 oscars were also terrible. social network and king's speech loving sucked. winter's bone by default (uncle boonmee who can recall his past lives, certified copy, dogtooth) a serious man, an education (a single man) milk by default (gomorra, che, the baader meinhof complex) best year for american movies in three decades. no country for old men, there will be blood (there will be blood, no country for old men, the diving bell and the butterfly) the departed (children of men, the wind that shakes the barley, dreamgirls) brokeback mountain (brokeback mountain, paradise now, the three burials of melquiades estrada) sideways (sideways, notre musique, agent cody banks 2: destination london) mystic river (the fog of war, elephant) the hours (spirited away, minority report, ten) gosford park, in the bedroom (ai, the pledge, mulholland drive) traffic (the gleaners and i, amores perros)
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R. Guyovich posted:also if we're playing the "what should have won the oscar" game, aside from the basic canon (la confidential over titanic, fargo over the english patient), i submit gosford park over a beautiful mind and the hours over chicago A Beautiful Mind might be even worse than Crash so I’m with you on that one
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Jan 30, 2018 14:13
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A Beautiful Mind is the Crash of mental illness.
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I also think Babe should have beaten Braveheart, Fargo should have beaten The English Patient, Saving Private Ryan should have beaten Shakespeare In Love and The Green Mile should have beaten American Beauty.
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If the Academy’s goal is to ostensibly recognize the film of the year with the most cultural impact, influence or significance to filmmaking then they outright fail about 90% of the time.
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Jan 30, 2018 14:44
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Wheat Loaf posted:Saving Private Ryan should have beaten Shakespeare In Love I swear to god everyone just forgets The Thin Red Line was also nominated that year... quote:The Green Mile should have beaten American Beauty. ...and they forget The Insider even exists.
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Although I do think it was a weak year overall, Fellowship of the Ring absolutely should've won Best Picture over A Beautiful Mind. They had to give it to Return of the King a few years later almost to make up for that mistake(Fellowship is easily the best of the trilogy), which meant Eastwood couldn't win for Mystic River, so then HE had to win a for the mediocre Million Dollar Baby the next year. poo poo like that happens all the time, Pacino's win for Scent of a Woman screwed over Washington for Malcom X, and then eventually the Academy had to give it to him for Training Day(after he was hosed over again for The Hurricane) when he maybe didn't deserve it. Had he rightfully won that Oscar in 1992, we'd probably have Oscar Winner Will Smith, and we'd be living in a completely different bizarro universe where Bright probably doesn't exist.
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I didn't think Mystic River was that good, I would have given it to Lost in Translation within just the selection of nominees from that year. The real crime is that City of God wasn't even nominated.
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Basebf555 posted:Although I do think it was a weak year overall, Fellowship of the Ring absolutely should've won Best Picture over A Beautiful Mind. They had to give it to Return of the King a few years later almost to make up for that mistake(Fellowship is easily the best of the trilogy), which meant Eastwood couldn't win for Mystic River, so then HE had to win a for the mediocre Million Dollar Baby the next year. When’s the last time you watched Training Day? Because Denzel absolutely deserved that win
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Denzel also had an Oscar already (Best Supporting Actor for Glory) so it wasn't his "turn" whereas Pacino had been passed over half a dozen times beforehand he won. It's all politics. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Denzel also had an Oscar already (Best Supporting Actor for Glory) so it wasn't his "turn" whereas Pacino had been passed over half a dozen times beforehand he won. I didn't know he'd won for Glory. Anyway his performance is certainly very good in Training Day, but I think Wilkinson(In the Bedroom) or Smith for Ali would've been better choices. Denzel's performance was compelling but a bit one-note.
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Was Pacino's nomination for Dick Tracy trying to give him a "career recognition" award? In fairness, he's easily the most memorable part of that movie but I can't imagine him getting an Oscar for it otherwise. On a similar note, it's kind of weird that The Fugitive was nominated for Best Picture. I think that's a really enjoyable movie but it's a strange one to nominate; it feels like it should be a bit outside the Academy's usual wheelhouse. Imagine if Entrapment or The Thomas Crowne Affair had been nominated. I think The Fugitive is a lot better than either of those, but that's the kind of movie I think it is. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Jan 30, 2018 15:18
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Godfather 3 was nominated for best picture in 1990
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Jan 30, 2018 15:23
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Wheat Loaf posted:Like, imagine if Entrapment or The Thomas Crowne Affair had been nominated. I think The Fugitive is a lot better than either of those, but that's the kind of movie I think it is. It seems like they will sometimes latch on to a film if it makes enough of a cultural impact that they feel it can't be ignored. The Fugitive was HUGE that year, just an extremely popular movie. Ghost is another one like that, hard to say it really deserved to be nominated for Best Picture but at the time people loving loved that movie.
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The Orville posted:Godfather 3 was nominated for best picture in 1990 Not only that, but it’s the only Godfather movie to get a best cinematography nomination for Gordon Willis
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Haha, I was just looking over the lists on Wikipedia and remembered that Roberto Benigni won Best Actor for
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Wheat Loaf posted:Haha, I was just looking over the lists on Wikipedia and remembered that Roberto Benigni won Best Actor for i remember watching that movie close to release as a small child and loving it but it's one of those where i don't want to go back and watch because i know it'll be bad
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Denzel should have won Best Actor for Fences And while I agree Birdman didn't really deserve anything, Michael Keaton definitely should have won Best Actor for his performance which is the only reason I consider that movie palatable at all.
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The Orville posted:Arrival is better than moonlight by a huge margin Strongly disagree. I love Villeneuve, the concept and meditation on alien life is interesting and somewhat nuanced in Arrival but no way is it more than a slightly above average movie. I'd say it's one of his worst.
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achillesforever6 posted:And while I agree Birdman didn't really deserve anything, Michael Keaton definitely should have won Best Actor for his performance which is the only reason I consider that movie palatable at all. Sometimes that's just the way it goes though, it's not always easy to separate a great lead performance from the film itself. Keaton is the core of the entire thing, so yea his performance drives it and makes the movie good overall(imo).
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I swear to god everyone just forgets The Thin Red Line was also nominated that year... This is some good opinions.  Miss Lonelyhearts posted:Strongly disagree. I love Villeneuve, the concept and meditation on alien life is interesting and somewhat nuanced in Arrival but no way is it more than a slightly above average movie. I'd say it's one of his worst. Yeah, I'm with ya. I love Villanueve and Arrival is a respectful adaptation of an amazing short story that only slightly misses the point, but Moonlight is just about the easiest 10 I ever gave to a movie on first watch.
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