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Dead Reckoning posted:So I see that there isn't actually anything a police officer might reasonably say after a potentially justified use of deadly force that y'all wouldn't consider "infuriating." Sure there is, first don't speak to the shot perp, but call in an ambulance on your radio. Once that is done, you read the suspect his or her miranda rights and inform them that an ambulance is on the way.
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Communist Zombie posted:Also remember that when he got shot the black guy asked "Why?" to which the cop said "I don't know." not even it was an accident or something, but that he purposefully fired it for no reason. Remember when he cuffed him anyway instead of helping the man he shot that he knew was innocent.
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Trump is not going to impose sanctions on Russia, after the sanctions passed Congress 98-2 and 419-3. Is there a thread talking about this?
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Just for fun:Dead Reckoning posted:This is the opposite of what the ME concluded. He fought with the police and he died, but the bruises he sustained didn't cause his heart attack. I guess you could say if the police hadn't used force to get compliance, and had just let him go to his cell when he felt comfortable doing so, he wouldn't have had to exert himself, but that's a little bit different from being beaten to death. This was in reference to https://www.app.com/story/news/premium/2015/02/06/inmate-death-inside-monmouth-county-jail/22993735/ where they beat the poo poo out of a guy in jail, injected him with drugs until he passed out, then left him alone in a room until he died. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Chamale posted:Trump is not going to impose sanctions on Russia, after the sanctions passed Congress 98-2 and 419-3. Is there a thread talking about this? I mentioned it. Remember the Dems were so proud of giving the Republicans poo poo they wanted in exchange for the Russia sanctions? Lmao. Dems got fuckin owned.
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Can’t wait to go to war with Russia because of their powerful election memes.
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GlyphGryph posted:I mentioned it. Remember the Dems were so proud of giving the Republicans poo poo they wanted in exchange for the Russia sanctions? Lmao. Dems got fuckin owned. I'm not sure what this has to do with the Democrats considering the vote margins. It was the right thing to vote on the bill.
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Chamale posted:Trump is not going to impose sanctions on Russia, after the sanctions passed Congress 98-2 and 419-3. Is there a thread talking about this? The Trump thread was loling about it earlier today.
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Uh, hey now, buddy. We spend trillions on weapons and terrorism. AMERICA NUMBER 1 
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who gave the shitdems a hallpass to vote for the abortion ban? https://twitter.com/EvanWilt_/status/958117518954156038 these fuckers need to be thrown out of the democratic party.
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WV I get, but how important is it to have a pro-life Democrat in Pennsylvania? They had a pro-choice Republican.
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Lycus posted:WV I get, but how important is it to have a pro-life Democrat in Pennsylvania? They had a pro-choice Republican. Casey did it because of his Catholicism, or so I understand.
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Office Pig posted:Casey did it because of his Catholicism, or so I understand. Yeah, he's always been pretty inflexible on abortion. I really hope a left-populist takes him out and wins the state, because he's just terrible.
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With abortion you start getting into moral rather than political debates, so I don't see a purpose fighting with people about it because beliefs are entirely inflexible when it comes to questions of morality. Besides, there are plenty of other reasons to want them gone, especially if you want the party to swerve left.
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I wonder how long it's going to take for it to sink in that the president and congress have hosed the constitution. It's happened before, but now we're all just shrugging our shoulders over our new dimwit king. I don't really think this is something you can 'fix'.
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Grapplejack posted:With abortion you start getting into moral rather than political debates, so I don't see a purpose fighting with people about it because beliefs are entirely inflexible when it comes to questions of morality. Besides, there are plenty of other reasons to want them gone, especially if you want the party to swerve left. there are plenty of reasons to want them gone aside from abortion. however, the dems are supposed to be the party of women, minorities, etc. in 2016 we made a big deal about social justice and we need to stick to that. if the centrist wing is going to claim they can only focus on social justice then they should not be backing off it entirely, otherwise we're left with neither social justice nor economic justice when we need both. in short, centrists who won't defend social justice don't even meet the bare minimum of what constitutes a democrat and should be thrown out of the party. we don't need republicans in the dem party
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The moral is the political, this should be completely obvious TYOOL 2018. A woman's sovereignty over her body is a moral and political question where there's no room for equivocating and excuse-making.
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The idea of social justice really needs to be codified if it is to be used to achieve anything, otherwise it is just a tool that can be used anybody to support any agenda. You wanna abortions? But what about my religious beliefs, how can you reconcile this with your socially inclusive platform? Until Democrats outline what social justice means in clear, definitive and policy oriented points that are binding for all their officials and supersede all personal preferences, their commitment to it is just a charade.
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https://twitter.com/themadstone/status/958143913147191298 Good work all around. 
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RuanGacho posted:I'm not sure what this has to do with the Democrats considering the vote margins. It was the right thing to vote on the bill. The bill wasnt just russia sanctions. It was the Dems agreeing to a bunch of stuff they didnt want, like sanctions on Iran, in order to get Russia sanctions, despite a lot of people at the time saying "hell no this is a bad deal dont trust the republicans they are going to screw you over and this is just going to be you screwing over Iran and giving the Republicans stuff in exchange for nothing" The reason the vote margins were so high is because of the stuff the Dems were giving the GOP to get them on board, the GOP wasnt actually in favour of the Russian sanctions, and yet again they were burned by putting their trust in the compulsive liars and the Republicans came away with a win, getting everything they wanted while the Dems got nothing. Do you really not remember the arguments over whether or not the Dem capitulation as part of this bill was good or bad?
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/themadstone/status/958143913147191298 Heck of a job.
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I'm starting to think the arguments that we need these very experienced politicians and lawyers to be the only people we can consider electing only to see them fail constantly at basic politicking to be somewhat misguided... Watching smarty Mark Warner get pissed that a bunch of idiots outsmarted him and got him to vote for less oversight into how Trump handles the IC was pretty illuminating. The Democrats are a party of people that are very smug they know the rules really well and haven't quite gotten the news that the rules only matter when your opponents give a poo poo. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/pdacosta/status/958304189972611073 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/958326345846673408 jfc I’m sure this neo-mccarthyism will never be turned against the dems when (if?) they’re ever back in power Red and Black fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Do you really not remember the arguments over whether or not the Dem capitulation as part of this bill was good or bad? Honestly, no, all I remember was the drama of if they'd get enough votes so that Trump couldn't veto it. Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/pdacosta/status/958304189972611073 I feel like the difference is that the Russians are actually trying to do poo poo whereas in McCarthy's time it was quite obviously a cover for going after people he didn't like. Like the GOP and immigrant racism today. Like hell they aren't still dog whistling and no one is calling them out on it.
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Yardbomb posted:Feast upon my stool DR. Unfortunately we all have to read your posts.
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RuanGacho posted:I feel like the difference is that the Russians are actually trying to do poo poo whereas in McCarthy's time it was quite obviously a cover for going after people he didn't like. There was an element of truth to anti-communist hysteria as well. the House Un-American Activities Committee unearthed Alger Hiss who was a real communist spy. Hiss was convicted the same year McCarthy claimed to have 200 names of known communists in the State Department. The kernel of truth helped sell the larger lie. If you’re arguing that the current round of nationalist hysteria hasn’t yet reached the level of the 1950s then I agree. But I see a clear path from here to there
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RuanGacho posted:I feel like the difference is that the Russians are actually trying to do poo poo whereas in McCarthy's time it was quite obviously a cover for going after people he didn't like. Wasn't the Red Scare itself started by liberal Democrats in the Truman administration as a cover to go after people they didn't like, specifically trade unionists asking for a little too much from business, and only became a bad thing once Republicans started using it against them.
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FBI has had a second dossier, also describing Trump-Russia collusionThe Guardian posted:The FBI inquiry into alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 US presidential election has been given a second memo that independently set out many of the same allegations made in a dossier by Christopher Steele, the British former spy. e: i thought i was in the Russian collusion thread, sorry! treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Chamale posted:Trump is not going to impose sanctions on Russia, after the sanctions passed Congress 98-2 and 419-3. Is there a thread talking about this? Apparently there is a provision in the sanction bill where the president can hold off on them if they think that the current ones are working just fine So Trump is doing it legally because the Democrats are a bunch of dumbshits and let that clause slip by It still says something because its against the spirit of the law, but its not against the letter
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Dead Reckoning posted:Per the police, Aquoness Cathery had a gun when they arrived, and the officer fired when Cathery turned around and pointed it at him. The police recovered a gun at the scene. Police having cameras should obligate them to prove this sort of thing. It is exceedingly unlikely that the camera coincidentally became covered/blocked at a point when the suspect happened to do the thing that supposedly justified shooting them. Finding the gun isn't sufficient evidence on its own, since it's not like it's uncommon for police to plant that sort of thing (or just lie about it) and for other police to support their lies. Heck, even if a gun was legitimately found it still wouldn't prove the claim that it was aimed at the officer. If video - which should be easily provided given the officer wore a camera - showed the suspect pulling a gun and aiming it at the officer, then I would consider the officer's actions justified. But that isn't the case, and the fact this video doesn't exist should serve as strong evidence against the validity of the cop's claims. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/onesarahjones/status/958378693776289793 https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/958381469990359041 e: https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/958378677347209219 lol Red and Black fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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The Washington Post is beyond worthless.
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Please don't make me wail in agony while I'm at work.
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/onesarahjones/status/958378693776289793 Oh my God, did they clone Matt Drudge?
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VitalSigns posted:Wasn't the Red Scare itself started by liberal Democrats in the Truman administration as a cover to go after people they didn't like, specifically trade unionists asking for a little too much from business, and only became a bad thing once Republicans started using it against them. The First Red Scare was driven largely by the Democrats after the October Revolution. The Dems were still pretty far from being anything I'd describe as "liberal" at the time, but you're correct that it was in large part a way to strike at organized labor. The Second Red Scare (ie: McCarthyism) was also partially directed against organized labor, but there were some real-world things that sparked fears and made it a real "bipartisan" effort. Those included the Chinese Civil War and some legit cases of Soviet spying (ie: Chambers and Bentley, the Rosenbergs), as well as of course a host of bullshit reasons. Majorian fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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I think the main driver, at least in the Second scare, was just that it was really, really politically convenient. McCarthy was kind of a nobody before McCarthyism.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I think the main driver, at least in the Second scare, was just that it was really, really politically convenient. McCarthy was kind of a nobody before McCarthyism. It was essentially a mass hysteria event that propelled McCarty to his fame. He was great at stoking fear, and collected a entourage of despicable people that used that fear for their own ends. The russia stuff currently going on is in no way shape or form similar... yet. it could go that way if it is stoked, fed, and weaponized. Which is why MSNBC calling people russian agents is really stupid and should be mocked and shamed. Besides, the simpler answer is that Devin Nunes is just reeeeeaaaaally stupid. Occam's Razor and all that.
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