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I never understood that line, or what "an Avengers world" even means.
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Jan 31, 2018 09:53
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I like the part where this Avengers World...this bastion of universe-wide-unity and systemic empowerment among brothers-and-sisters-in-arms...absolutely fails to accomplish its objectives and ends up fragmenting apart due to petty squabbles and moral bankruptcy. Uh. Spoiler alert, I guess.
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Jan 31, 2018 10:08
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There's a reason why the line pops up in both Avengers and New Avengers
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Jan 31, 2018 11:33
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Lurdiak posted:I never understood that line, or what "an Avengers world" even means. The season of death is most of Hickman's run. An Avengers world is just a planet rescued, and touched by the heroes and the heroism of the Avengers. The Avengers are a symbol to rally around across the universe, no matter what space empire you come from.
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Jan 31, 2018 18:16
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Lurdiak posted:I never understood that line, or what "an Avengers world" even means. I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or not
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Jan 31, 2018 18:24
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Lurdiak posted:I never understood that line, or what "an Avengers world" even means. It's a comic!
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Jan 31, 2018 18:26
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This is the good ol fashioned spidey content i am after
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Jan 31, 2018 21:30
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I still don't really like MJ or Annie's costumes, but that was a great panel in a really good issue of RYV, and I totally didn't see the reveal at the end coming.
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Feb 1, 2018 01:36
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Good old mystery hole.
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Feb 1, 2018 06:25
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Is anyone else reading Tales of Suspense? I'm really enjoying Hawkeye/Bucky as a buddy comedy. Foreman's art is a lot of fun - Buck's attempt to "be cool" is wonderful.
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Feb 2, 2018 01:44
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Little Mac posted:Is anyone else reading Tales of Suspense? I'm really enjoying Hawkeye/Bucky as a buddy comedy. Foreman's art is a lot of fun - Buck's attempt to "be cool" is wonderful. He's an assassin with a robot arm who's mostly known to the public as "that time Captain America had a gun" plus he's likely standing next to Hawkeye at the time, how is he not the cool one?
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Feb 2, 2018 04:44
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Hawkeye is your layabout friend who is always inexplicably cooler than you.
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Feb 2, 2018 07:25
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I really liked how Ultimate X-men seemed to end on a hopeful note. That whole setting's universe seemed so dismal and grimdark it was really nice to see Kitty and the rest pull together and make some weird socialist commune nation out of an abandoned nuclear test site. It felt like maybe things would finally go right for them. Then reality dissolved and the Ultimate line was discontinued and erased from existence. They just can't catch a break. edit: and of all the characters to bring into the main marvel universe they pick another Wolverine. What are they up to now, 5? 6? It's like they realized how silly it was to have Logan be in every book, so they solved it by just making a different Logan for each book. Galvanik fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Feb 2, 2018 |
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Feb 2, 2018 18:44
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Galvanik posted:Then reality dissolved and the Ultimate line was discontinued and erased from existence. Well actually, one of the last things that Bendis did before he left Marvel was slip in the reveal that the Ultimate Universe was still around in Spider-Men II #5. 
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Feb 2, 2018 19:04
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That's good to hear. I knew select characters got brought over, but it seemed almost fitting that Ultimate-verse got wiped out for real just as things started to look more promising.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:21
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Covok posted:Well actually, one of the last things that Bendis did before he left Marvel was slip in the reveal that the Ultimate Universe was still around in Spider-Men II #5. I haven't read much of the Ultimate line, but I kind of remember that Bendis made a character who looked a lot like him, and I think said character dated Ultimate Kitty Pride. I didn't just imagine that, did I?
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Feb 2, 2018 19:31
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Technically it is a different Ultimate Universe since the old one was destroyed in Secret Wars. Franklin just made up a new one.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:34
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Endless Mike posted:Technically it is a different Ultimate Universe since the old one was destroyed in Secret Wars. Franklin just made up a new one. I mean, by that metric the Marvel Universe proper isn't the original.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:36
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I still say it's an ultimate-like universe but isn't 1610
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Feb 2, 2018 19:44
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Rhyno posted:I mean, by that metric the Marvel Universe proper isn't the original. This is accurate, yes.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:44
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Rhyno posted:I mean, by that metric the Marvel Universe proper isn't the original. Make mine Marvel. 
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Feb 2, 2018 19:45
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Endless Mike posted:This is accurate, yes. Until someone writes a story saying otherwise.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:48
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Rhyno posted:Until someone writes a story saying otherwise. Secret Wars 4: The Quest For More Money
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Feb 2, 2018 23:56
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Covok posted:Well actually, one of the last things that Bendis did before he left Marvel was slip in the reveal that the Ultimate Universe was still around in Spider-Men II #5. Didn't we already see the ultimate universe being accessed by ultimate Reed a while ago? Not sure this is a surprise.
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Feb 3, 2018 03:46
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I'll be frank, I'm surprised that Marvel didn't pronounce Spider-Gwen's world as the All-New Ultimate Universe.
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Feb 3, 2018 03:59
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I'll be frank, I'm surprised that Marvel didn't pronounce Spider-Gwen's world as the All-New Ultimate Universe. You just made me remember that Ganke totally won Ultimate Gwen's heart and then Miles went and made out with an alternate version of her. Miles is a dick.
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Feb 3, 2018 04:10
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So i just finished rereading a-force and the secret wars mini and the first seven issues are so good, i mean it has Singularity  and loving DAZZLER THOR  come on But then it has to deal with the stupid m-pox crap which kills off dazzler thor at the end of the second arc and the book gets dragged into cw2 and the book tanks and it makes me so mad cuz it had so much potential  A-Force you deserved so much better
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Feb 3, 2018 04:14
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Rhyno posted:You just made me remember that Ganke totally won Ultimate Gwen's heart and then Miles went and made out with an alternate version of her. I dated a twin once, didn't feel jealous when her sister made out with other people
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Feb 3, 2018 04:19
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Skwirl posted:I dated a twin once, didn't feel jealous when her sister made out with other people Been there. Still a bit weird though.
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Feb 3, 2018 04:21
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Rhyno posted:Been there. Still a bit weird though. Well, yeah, everyone has seen The Shining.
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Feb 3, 2018 04:22
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Didn't we already see the ultimate universe being accessed by ultimate Reed a while ago? Not sure this is a surprise. Close but not quite. Maker/UltReed brought the Ultimates* into the main universe. They didn't say if they were from Ultimate or whether they were just created whole cloth from Reed's memory. *specifically Iron Man, Giant-Man, Wasp, Captain America, and Hulk. Cap rebelled and Reed killed him for it. The other four are now out in space in search of parts unknown.* TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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Feb 3, 2018 04:37
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I wish Singularity would show up somewhere, I really miss her (and the rest of A-Force). I suppose Runaways is the most likely place, but they obviously are a bit preoccupied currently. Still, Molly and Singularity being so pure together could create an actual singularity, and you just know that even Gert wouldn't be able to resist her charms. Plus, Singularity would loving love Karolina the rainbow alien. Ms. Marvel could be a place for her too: Kamala trying to protect her secret identity while trying to rein in this blue creature that is just fascinated with New Jersey.
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Feb 3, 2018 09:49
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site posted:So i just finished rereading a-force and the secret wars mini and the first seven issues are so good, i mean it has Singularity The final storyline with Elsa Bloodstone was great, but it was really hampered by the CW2 tie in stuff. Sadly that could have easily been dropped without changing anything.
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Feb 3, 2018 13:18
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amigolupus posted:I haven't read much of the Ultimate line, but I kind of remember that Bendis made a character who looked a lot like him, and I think said character dated Ultimate Kitty Pride. I didn't just imagine that, did I? Kong was often bald I guess (and big, but artists tended to switch between overweight and buff) but by that metric you could say Harry Leland was a Chris Claremont self-insert. He was a pretty well-written and interesting character and to whatever extent Bendis saw himself in him (which, really, if you write someone often enough you are going to wind up cathecting onto them to some degree), I think it was certainly more than a case of just "I want to kiss Kitty Pryde... in comic book form..."
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Feb 3, 2018 18:36
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M-mangneto was... wrong? https://twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/959962797541965824
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Feb 4, 2018 02:42
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site posted:M-mangneto was... wrong? What exactly is Kurt getting at here? Because I could think of some loving distressing directions this could be going.
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Feb 4, 2018 03:37
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Cabbit posted:What exactly is Kurt getting at here? Because I could think of some loving distressing directions this could be going. He's saying that Magneto was originally just a villain and was even, ironically, made a hitler stand-in. Ironic because of where Claremont took him.
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Feb 4, 2018 03:39
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Magneto was like an ultra evil for the sake of being evil villain. Even for the era he was just a huge dick. After he came back from the other planet the Stranger sent him and Toad to, Magneto started to push the “country for mutants” thing a bit more though. Claremont built off concepts that were there, but they were barely there. Even back then he was less of a dick than Professor X. Also less of a pedophile.
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Feb 4, 2018 03:43
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This is, obviously, the Magneto that Morrison is riffing on during his run on X-Men. There's a clear throughline if you're willing to ignore everything that's happened since 1970.
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That's the issue with what I'll call Byrneian essentialism. Returning a character to their Original Roots(tm) is often more shocking and distasteful to readers than keeping them as they're commonly known, even if the progression they've had over the years papers over some distasteful things. Morrison obviously found it offensive that a character who was so evil when he was little was treated as a nuanced character who stands in for real life civil rights figures, but I'd argue it's much more offensive to people who grew up reading Claremont to say that all the nuance doesn't count because he's a terrorist and a baddie, and baddies don't get to also be heroes. Even though lots of terrorists are considered heroes in real life throughout history, because the world is very complex. Spider-man punched Mary Jane in a rage during the clone saga, but I absolutely don't want some jerk who thinks a wife beater can never be a hero to come in and take Spider-man to task for it. And while professor X did have a single panel pining for a woman much younger than him in the 60s, I don't really want him written as a lecherous pedophile when he returns.
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