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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

like I wasn't huge on Captain Underpants but that is a loving odd critique

I try not to make easy jokes in this vein but I feel like it's the most CineD thing ever.

vvv So is getting a poop joke. :v:

mycot fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 31, 2018

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

mycot posted:

I try not to make easy jokes in this vein but I feel like it's the most CineD thing ever.

"Listening to the dialog" is a pretty low hurdle.

Looper
Mar 1, 2012

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

jesus christ this is the strangest hill I've seen anyone choose to die on in a while

again: you do realize "Poopypants" is not a traditional name in any actual language or culture, right? it has literally no other meaning beyond being a poop joke. you are way, way, way, way overthinking a really dumb scatological joke.

It sounds like if the character had been American, you could've had the haha poop joke without the xenophobic subtext

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
If we were talking, I'd be speechless.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges
I do remember seeing some captain underpants purists not entirely happy that Poopypants didn't have that slight twang of sympathy to his initial portrayal that the books had

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

again: you do realize "Poopypants" is not a traditional name in any actual language or culture, right? it has literally no other meaning beyond being a poop joke. you are way, way, way, way overthinking a really dumb scatological joke.

Yeah, I just thought the writers felt obligated to squeeze in something resembling a plausible explanation of why Poopypants wouldn't just change his name and avoid all the humiliation.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


https://twitter.com/GoNintendoTweet/status/958879370076188673

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Schwarzwald posted:

If the movie goes out of it's way to establish the fact that it's a common name in a foreign country, then it literally does have another meaning in the context of the film.

It also means "pants full of poop" in foreignese, they just don't have any taboos about excrement in their culture and consequently there's nothing funny about that. Weird that you'd assume the problem is the guy doesn't understand basic English just cause he's not from America, who's the racist now :colbert:

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Feb 1, 2018

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
This is the goddamn first worldiest concern I have ever witnessed.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
What the hell happened to this thread?

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway

LeJackal posted:

What the hell happened to this thread?

Argument about whether its okay to make fun of a foreign name, and whether that argument is even justified.

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
What's this thread been up to since I le-- oh.

In real talk, has anyone heard from Certified Good Poster Unmature? His YouTube channel went pretty silent after his move to CA.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Hemingway To Go! posted:

Argument about whether its okay to make fun of a foreign name, and whether that argument is even justified.

We were doing so well talking about Bojack Horseman and Buddy Thunderstruck though!

This is on the level of stealing a meal that had appeal from the Navy Seal Neal McBeal!

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.
As much as Pick and I ruffle each other's feathers from time-to-time, that's still the only interesting take on Captain Underpants I've ever read. It's a film of such oppressive mediocrity that it's difficult to intuit the subtle extent to which they've taken books that were stupid but funny and somehow made a movie that is both even more stupid but also not funny at all.

In other news, I'mma crosspost this stack of hot Norman McLaren animations from Franch's brilliant Short Films thread

Egbert Souse posted:

If I had to pick my favorite avant-garde/experimental filmmaker, it would be the Scottish-born Canadian-emigre...

Norman McLaren



I don't think there's ever been a filmmaker as fearless with the medium since Georges Melies. McLaren worked with live-action and literally any animation form in existence. He worked with cels, charcoals, drawn-on-film, stop-motion, even pixilation - the animation of live subjects. His films also have a wonderful playfulness that makes them endearing. It helps a lot that most of his career was with the National Film Board of Canada after stints with the General Post Office in England and even a short New York-based period working with Mary Ellen Bute. His Canadian films featured collaborations with other giants of the NFB filmmakers like Grant Munro, Evelyn Lambart, and Claude Jutra. While much of his work featured music composed by Maurice Blackburn, McLaren also composed the soundtracks himself using ink on clear film or scratching black leader. He even appeared in his films occasionally.

What's also great about his work is his often unsubtle social commentary, especially promoting peace. From interviews I've seen, McLaren comes off as incredibly humble and peaceful rather than some tortured artist. More so, he spent years as a teacher for the NFB, having masterclasses in animation.

While I think his entire filmography is absolutely essential viewing, here's some of my favorites:
(Note: NFB Canada has most of his work available to watch for free on YouTube from gorgeous HD transfers)

Spook Sport (1940, dir. Mary Ellen Bute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_dhTFJWww
While McLaren only contributed drawn-on-film animation, it's still a magnificent example of abstract animation.

Begone Dull Care (1949, dir. McLaren and Evelyn Lambart)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r2COvWPO4Y
Perhaps his first great film. It's "just" painted and scratched film, but it's absolutely dynamic and lighting-fast paced set to Oscar Peterson Trio.

Neighbours (1952)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aSowDUUaY
An anti-war masterpiece. While a touch naive, it gets the point across. Groundbreaking for its pixilation animation, which would be imitated by many others. Features fellow animator Grant Munro as one of the neighbors. Notable also for having an "electronic" soundtrack composed by McLaren.

A Chairy Tale (1957, dir. McLaren and Claude Jutra)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rH8OLBzxAQ
A man (Jutra) wants to sit in a chair, but the chair has other plans. Features a score by Ravi Shankar.

Opening Speech (1960)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trNsfZd7GOc
Created for a Canadian film expo, McLaren appears as himself trying to introduce himself. Except the microphone has a mind of its own. Absolutely hilarious, especially for how he pokes fun at his own work and himself.

Pas de Deux (1968)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WopqmACy5XI
Gorgeously photographed (in B&W) ballet dancers manipulated with double exposures. Has a beautiful orchestral and panpipe score. Easily one of the most beautiful films ever made. Watch with the volume turned up and the lights out.

Synchromy (1971)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmSzc8mBJCM
The ultimate syntheasia film. The music was composed by photographing tone cards one frame at a time... which in turn were colored and multiplied by an optical printer into the visual. You're seeing what you're hearing.


Unfortunately, McLaren's work is a little hard to access on home video now. The NFB put out an incredible 7-disc set about a decade ago with almost all of his work, including contributions on other's films, but it's been out of print. The Flicker Alley release 3-D Rarities features the two 3-D films he made (Around is Around and Now is the Time, the former co-directed by Evelyn Lambart) in restored form.

Egbert Souse posted:

More Norman McLaren...

Keep Your Mouth Shut (1944)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So3fsGQ4Fsc
A Canadian WWII propaganda short. Features a stop-motion animated skull telling Canadians how helpful blabbing is to the Axis powers. Fascinating for being just as experimental as McLaren's usual work - strobing animation, using bursts of images, and a simple message.

Lines Vertical (1960)
Lines Horizontal (1962)
Mosaic (1965)
(all three dir. McLaren and Evelyn Lambart)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnbavAYULUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDFWuvhqHo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwA_L9otKm8

One of the most fascinating works of minimalism. The first film, Lines Vertical, features... vertical lines moving across the screen set to harp music and with sparse optically printed color. Two years later, McLaren and Lambart revisited their "study" and re-printed it rotated 90 degrees, thus making the vertical lines horizontal. New guitar music and coloring were added. Three more years and McLaren had the bright idea of superimposing both Lines Vertical and Lines Horizontal in an optical printer and adding even more color, while using an electronic soundtrack he himself created. It's supplemented by a short, playful intro and outro of McLaren himself "playing" with a ball that turns into the dot that moves around.

Blinkity Blank (1955)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftEci6AMUKg
Using strobing images scratched onto black film and colored by ink. Features a simple flute soundtrack with bursts of McLaren's electronic sound.

Canon (1964, McLaren and Grant Munro)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxNhUswEO7c
A mixed-media film visually explaining the form of the canon: stop-motion, cut-outs (Grant Munro's trademark), then fun with the optical printer (with Munro appearing in a comically oversized hat).

Fiddle-de-dee (1947)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ubpoNJweA
A precursor to the more complex Begone Dull Care, this is still hand-painted film at its finest.

Le Merle (1958, McLaren and Evelyn Lambart)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aos6gIHN3h4
Simple paper-cut-outs make up an abstract bird.

Also, here's a short film showing McLaren at work at creating synthetic sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0vgZv_JWfM

K. Waste fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Feb 1, 2018

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time


Tweet deleted but I’m assuming it’s about the Minions people are making a Super Mario movie.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
Every time I see people mention Buddy Thunderstruck it makes me think of The Ballad of Truck Thunders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkAUFeOyf6s

K. Waste posted:

As much as Pick and I ruffle each other's feathers from time-to-time, that's still the only interesting take on Captain Underpants I've ever read. It's a film of such oppressive mediocrity that it's difficult to intuit the subtle extent to which they've taken books that were stupid but funny and somehow made a movie that is both even more stupid but also not funny at all.

In other news, I'mma crosspost this stack of hot Norman Mailer animations from Franch's brilliant Short Films thread

If we're gonna mention weird hybrids of stop motion and live action I feel like The Wizard of Speed and Time deserves a shout out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLhLn9hVkE

His movie is definitely flawed, especially Mike Jittlov playing himself as the protagonist (a proto-redditor who literally lives with his mom and shames a woman for wanting to shake hands with him and his weird grudge against unions enabling lazy people) but it's still a surprisingly sweet film about making movies in the pre-internet era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSB6ZRC-dyQ

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies

Ballz posted:

Tweet deleted but I’m assuming it’s about the Minions people are making a Super Mario movie.
It is, and it's not really news, either; we've known this to be the case for months. It's just that Nintendo announced it like it's news last night.

Kermit The Grog
Mar 29, 2010

Hedrigall posted:

In real talk, has anyone heard from Certified Good Poster Unmature? His YouTube channel went pretty silent after his move to CA.
He’s been showing up pretty regularly on the Lasertime podcast networks shows.

true leftist
Feb 1, 2018

by zen death robot
pick

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
That said my very biggest issue with Captain Underpants is that it isn't funny at all and narratively is a mess and generally it isn't good.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

Pick posted:

it isn't funny at all

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree :shrug:

The actual animation was pretty great too

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Pixeltendo posted:

The villain should be a bad version of Kidd Radd.

few will get this reference.

Kidd Radd was the absolute best thing. :swoon:

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

The Ayshkerbundy posted:

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree :shrug:

The actual animation was pretty great too

Agreed. It didn’t change my life or anything but I thought it was decently produced and pretty funny with a lot of neat creative touches thrown in (like the sock puppets and whatnot). Considering that I was expecting an unwatchable dumpster fire I’d call that a win.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

readingatwork posted:

Considering that I was expecting an unwatchable dumpster fire I’d call that a win.

A dumpster fire would have been a win. Like, literally have the climax of the film be on a dumpster fire.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

When captain underpants came out it must have been a dry spot for animated releases, because before any animated film they would play the trailer in full twice (with the emoji movie trailer in between), plus little snippets of it would be repeated in advertising the candy bar and cinema loyalty program. There was a month long ghibli festival with very cheap tickets on at the time, so I have seen that trailer so many goddamn times. I'm never going to watch that movie but I hate it with my life.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
I liked it!

Sinding Johansson
Dec 1, 2006
STARVED FOR ATTENTION
I was thinking about Grave of the Fireflies the other day and remember watching the extras on 2002 American Collector's Edition DVD. The director gave an interview and I think he spoke about a drastic difference in interpretation of the film between Western and Japanese audiences. I lost my disc 2 though and I can't find the interview online. Does anyone know where I might find it?

Gann Jerrod
Sep 9, 2005

A gun isn't a gun unless it shoots Magic.

Guy Mann posted:

Every time I see people mention Buddy Thunderstruck it makes me think of The Ballad of Truck Thunders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkAUFeOyf6s


If we're gonna mention weird hybrids of stop motion and live action I feel like The Wizard of Speed and Time deserves a shout out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLhLn9hVkE

His movie is definitely flawed, especially Mike Jittlov playing himself as the protagonist (a proto-redditor who literally lives with his mom and shames a woman for wanting to shake hands with him and his weird grudge against unions enabling lazy people) but it's still a surprisingly sweet film about making movies in the pre-internet era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSB6ZRC-dyQ

The short he did for the 50th birthday of Mickey Mouse is still some of the best stop motion animation I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/9jDhksBLK3c

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Sinding Johansson posted:

I was thinking about Grave of the Fireflies the other day and remember watching the extras on 2002 American Collector's Edition DVD. The director gave an interview and I think he spoke about a drastic difference in interpretation of the film between Western and Japanese audiences. I lost my disc 2 though and I can't find the interview online. Does anyone know where I might find it?

i haven't seen this, but i think i know where the dude's coming from and can fill in some blanks

Americans tend to take it as an anti-war movie, when that's not really the point, the point is basically "your elders went through some horrible poo poo so you should really treat them with respect"

true leftist
Feb 1, 2018

by zen death robot
*explodes beautifully into the thread* NOW THAT I'M A WOMAAAAAAAAN

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

i haven't seen this, but i think i know where the dude's coming from and can fill in some blanks

Americans tend to take it as an anti-war movie, when that's not really the point, the point is basically "your elders went through some horrible poo poo so you should really treat them with respect"

I vaguely remember this. It answered some questions for me in the sense that so many of Seita's actions were driven by pride and refusal that it ultimately got them both killed. I think the first time I watched it I was 16 and I could not understand for the life of me why he refused to go back to the aunt and waited so long to pull that money from the bank.

Of course as a 16 year-old I had no sense of pride. :v:

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Das Boo posted:

I vaguely remember this. It answered some questions for me in the sense that so many of Seita's actions were driven by pride and refusal that it ultimately got them both killed. I think the first time I watched it I was 16 and I could not understand for the life of me why he refused to go back to the aunt and waited so long to pull that money from the bank.

Of course as a 16 year-old I had no sense of pride. :v:

I also vaguely recall that the director has intense survivors guilt which is why he has his self-insert protagonist die at the end.

true leftist posted:

*explodes beautifully into the thread* NOW THAT I'M A WOMAAAAAAAAN

We waited for you for months and now here you are, when we are old. drat YOU.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

quote:

Some critics in the West have viewed Grave of the Fireflies as an anti-war film due to the graphic and emotional depiction of the pernicious repercussions of war on a society, and the individuals therein. The film focuses its attention almost entirely on the personal tragedies that war gives rise to, rather than seeking to glamorize it as a heroic struggle between competing nations. It emphasizes that war is society's failure to perform its most important duty: to protect its own people.

However, director Takahata repeatedly denied that the film was an anti-war film. In his own words, "[The film] is not at all an anti-war anime and contains absolutely no such message." Instead, Takahata had intended to convey an image of the brother and sister living a failed life due to isolation from society and invoke sympathy particularly in people in their teens and twenties.

The big difference in interpretation is that western audiences view the sibling's death to be a result of society's failure to protect them. Japanese audiences view their death as a result of the siblings isolation from society, a failure they themselves contribute to rather than being purely a fault of the society. Japanese audiences think they should have stayed with the lovely aunt no matter what, because she was family and their elder, and their fate is in part a punishment for not being grateful and respectful. Western audiences say screw the aunt.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
and yes, before anyone points out the elephant in the room, Japanese culture is... not particularly nice in a lot of regards

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

true leftist posted:

*explodes beautifully into the thread* NOW THAT I'M A WOMAAAAAAAAN

So there's MY immortality!

Renoistic
Jul 27, 2007

Everyone has a
guardian angel.
I always viewed Fireflies as a tragic tale of a hosed up situation. The older kid's pride essentially kills them both, but it's not like I blame the character. They shouldn't be in that situation to begin with. So, yeah, essentially I view it as an anti - war movie. There's some dialogue in the beginning that implies that dead kids on the streets is a disturbingly common sight.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Barudak posted:

I also vaguely recall that the director has intense survivors guilt which is why he has his self-insert protagonist die at the end.

It's not really the director's story; Takahata adapted the story from the novel by Akiyuki Nosaka, who died only a few years ago. It is supposed to be a really good adaptation though; the survivor's guilt aspect absolutely comes through, it just isn't Takahata's.

Terrific movie, really, one of his greatest. I view it less as a specific condemnation of the war or of Seita or society (although Takahata/Nosaka are clearly not fans of the feelings of nationalsim that prevailed during the war years), but a tragedy of circumstance created by the failure of every party concerned. It is rather a departure from Miyazaki's normal work- Lord knows, he doesn't have the rosiest outlook on humanity either, but he prefers stories in which tremendous feeling, virtue and effort are rewarded in the end. Takahata, well... he seems to get that you can feel and do as much as you like, but sometimes it still doesn't work out due to factors entirely beyond your control. Not as spiritually fulfilling but but certainly more realistic.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Protip filmmakers, don't call your main character something that sounds a lot like 'dad' and have your trailer be about him trying to kiss the love interest while she is calling his name. Yikes the trailer for Tad The Explorer was awkward.

Unrelatedly Coco made me cry bitch tears.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Aint no bitch tears in Coco

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21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Fangz posted:

Protip filmmakers, don't call your main character something that sounds a lot like 'dad' and have your trailer be about him trying to kiss the love interest while she is calling his name. Yikes the trailer for Tad The Explorer was awkward.

I guess they really wanted to be making a Trump biopic.

Seriously though that movie does look awful, though, what on Earth, it's like a Video Brinquedo-style ripoff but with an actual animation budget.

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