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NihilCredo posted:sql > python tho yeah but python is a bit less of a horror show than python interacting with something ie a database
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Why is there such a hate for python? I like it (I don't use it professionally, but it was the first language I learned). Is it just the lack of static types? I definitely get that.
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:21 |
I was interested ten years ago then 3 came out and I decided to wait till it gets adopted.
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:23 |
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Surprise T Rex posted:Why is there such a hate for python? I like it (I don't use it professionally, but it was the first language I learned). i don’t hate python, but it has an insufferably smug community that gets old really fast.
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:23 |
jony neuemonic posted:i don’t hate python, but it has an insufferably smug community that gets old really fast. i think that only java community is at large free of some kind of insufferable smuglords
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:25 |
Surprise T Rex posted:Why is there such a hate for python? I like it (I don't use it professionally, but it was the first language I learned). about half of the hate is yospos circlejerk in one form or another
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:27 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:i think that only java community is at large free of some kind of insufferable smuglords yeah but with python it goes all the way up to the designers of the language. kinda like go, actually. but i’m also biased because i’ve only ever had python developers demand i explain why i don’t love their favourite language (not the person who just asked, i mean in real life)
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:29 |
jony neuemonic posted:yeah but with python it goes all the way up to the designers of the language. kinda like go, actually. oh i deffo agree that my headcanon for guido is not far off from pike
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:31 |
speaking of lang preference, interviewed a dude today who actually managed a "python vs r" question like an adult (my "irl r programmers" experience is hit and miss)
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:33 |
python is fine for small-to-medium sized projects; there's just a YOSPOS reaction against anything that's not enterprise enough
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:33 |
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VikingofRock posted:python is fine for small-to-medium sized projects; there's just a YOSPOS reaction against anything that's not lisp
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:36 |
cinci zoo sniper posted:speaking of lang preference, interviewed a dude today who actually managed a "python vs r" question like an adult (my "irl r programmers" experience is hit and miss) "R is a little bit better for heavy / obscure statistics. Python is a little bit better for projects not requiring those because it has a more-readable syntax and is more flexible. The right answer is probably to use whatever the rest of the team is familiar with." Did I do that right?
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:37 |
basically yeah, but you're also one of the last people itt id expect to get this wrong. he did wrongly assign "cutting edge machine learning algorithms" as python's advantage but that was the answer (the python bit was more ad-specific and talked about data janitorial" but ya, the cool thing about r is that there's any algo or derivative that you may want - real academic stats papers come out with r packages and whatnot cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:43 |
basically think about tools that fit the job, not news for anyone who has worked on a few jobs doing similar things. we're hiring down to stem undergrads so you never know what to expect (like dude who thinks data prep is irrelevant, minor part of the job)
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:47 |
its like 50-80% of workload on that position, you don't need to be einstein to poo poo our some plots for results spat out by bunch of premade algos
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:48 |
speaking of data prep, ill need to query our mongo tomorrow for archive data at least it's not a terrabyte of zipped firebird 1.5 backups we have for one of our older hardware systems (i hope i never have to touch those, as they lack any references to our main ecosystem so everything must be matched via timeframes, basically)
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:52 |
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i got paid money like 7 months to do neural net poo poo r's neural net poo poo, in absolute specificity (just neural net poo poo and no other specific stats poo poo) is really crap python's neural net poo poo is pretty great
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 21:41 |
bob dobbs is dead posted:i got paid money like 7 months to do neural net poo poo "deep learning" marketing wave shite sure, i wouldnt be surprised - i think all the big stuff like tensorflow, cntk, or theano all either don't have R bindings as such, or those were added at some later point - which is not surprising, given "oddities" of R as a language. my job doesnt touch neural nets with 10-foot pole, much like quite a few other ml areas since what's hot in sv and real world don't necessarily intersect - i imagine, at least. for that kind of "classical stuff" r is pretty stellar in terms of lib/algo availability but then again much like big data or data science, machine learning is yet another term that everyone defines their own way. *with stalker accent* i machine learn engineer, i know how is fix all truck in my garage
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cinci zoo sniper posted:"deep learning" marketing wave shite sure, i wouldnt be surprised - i think all the big stuff like tensorflow, cntk, or theano all either don't have R bindings as such, or those were added at some later point - which is not surprising, given "oddities" of R as a language. google search is now backed by a fuckton of neural nets. facebook news feeds i mean, it's overhyped, but it's not a flash in the pan
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 22:11 |
im just hitting at the overhyping, not calling it useless. even for my usual shitposting itd be rich to call something useless just because it's not a good choice for my use case im just mildly irritated that the hype spills over to business people, causing tiresome questions. that and potential hires thinking that all they will do is brute force parameter combinations on google's hot algo of the week although, if facebook new feed tech uses it too then i might be mad about them in general since facebook is getting toxic and the algorithmic feed ruined instagram (also is basically useless since it appears to work the same way if you have not liked a single post or if you have liked all posts from all people you follow (but just them))
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 22:15 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:"all hands on dick" alert
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 22:46 |
all hands on deck is a very silly phrase imo
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cinci zoo sniper posted:(also is basically useless since it appears to work the same way if you have not liked a single post or if you have liked all posts from all people you follow (but just them)) doesn't that have the same infomation content in the decision given by liking (H=0)? why would it be awful that those would work the same way? i mean, it would be a valid complaint if like, you liked all of alice's posts and not bob's posts and liked all of bob's posts and not alice's posts in the two possible states and then got the same algorithmic feed
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 23:44 |
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lol go https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/7vv9zz/popular_lib_gobindata_removed_from_github_or_why/
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I hate python because I hate meaningful whitespace. That being said I use it all the time for little one-off scripts or whatever. I've had to support "enterprise" python before and it was very painful.
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:lol go lol that's even better than leftpad
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:01 |
Finster Dexter posted:I hate python because I hate meaningful whitespace. Coworker said literally the same first sentence today Also said he'd rather write something in js with node than deal with the whitespace in python
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:07 |
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c tp s figured out how to compile and execute arbitrary user typed visual basic .net code and have it interact with the hosting (C#) application i'm basically a fuckin wizard (or an idiot who finally got lucky, more likely) C# code:
finally
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:24 |
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i still use perl for all my one-off scripting things, but that’s more just familiarity than a thing i would recommend.
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:24 |
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I too sometimes use perl still. it’s better than shell scripting. for small one off scripts any language is fine really. perl, python, whatever. just pray they never grow
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:31 |
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Shy posted:I too clean up codebases by writing more lovely code You've heard of refeeding syndrome, where if you try to give too much food to a starving person, they die? The same principle applies to codebases.
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:39 |
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Wheany posted:really loving the stackoverflow questions where the top answer is "gently caress you you should never do that due to ideological purity" I like the ones where someone tries to argue that your answer shouldn’t be considered definitive when you didn’t cite any documentation or give a justification as to why an API works the way it does like, I wrote the drat API, you can take what I say about it as gospel (just got one of those today) also fun is when you say an answer shouldn’t be marked as best answer because developer shouldn’t be doing the thing and a “community manager” or whatever they’re called says you don’t have the authority to say they shouldn’t be doing it like dude, I could put a bear trap in the code in question that logs “what’s the best answer now, rear end in a top hat?” with a link to their comments any time someone tries to use the workaround, you’d better loving believe I have the authority to say they shouldn’t do it fuckin stack overflow, man
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:57 |
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gonadic io posted:gently caress youuuuuuu yeah it should be gaðr
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 00:58 |
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VikingofRock posted:python is fine for small-to-medium sized projects; there's just a YOSPOS reaction against anything that's not lisp
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 01:00 |
Ciaphas posted:an idiot who finally got lucky don't post a summary of my teenage years
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i got paid money like 7 months to do neural net poo poo how do they compare to Symbolics’ neural net poo poo (j/k, Plexi has disappeared from the universe, tapes are desperately sought for preservation but it doesn’t look good)
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 01:06 |
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Finster Dexter posted:I hate python because I hate meaningful whitespace. I’ll be overjoyed the first time I hear someone say this and they back it up by showing their curly braces code that’s hilariously misaligned, indented arbitrarily, line breaks inserted without rhyme or reason
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 04:41 |
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i refuse to write code without some sort of automatic code formatter dont even care what it looks like just make it consistent and so that i dont have to worry about it
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# ? Feb 8, 2018 04:42 |
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luv when an editor doesn't normalize tabs/spaces and i have to figure out why python is yelling at me
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snack overflow is funny as hell if you try to answer questions. I have an email alert setup for a tag and will answer questions sometimes and the regulars get real pissy if you beat them to an answer. sometimes I’ll post an answer and it’ll get downvotes before they’ve even had time to read it
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