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Feb 8, 2018 05:27
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Feb 8, 2018 05:32
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SpaceX is Musk's 100% legitimate post-PayPal success, more than any other venture he's had. Tesla is cool from a tech standpoint and has really shown that A. a market for EVs do exist, and B. they can have similar range to a gas car. As for the cars themselves, beyond the drivetrain, they're meh. Though I do believe he's gone on record saying that if he gets forced out of the market by the big car makers in the EV market, he won't care, because they're making EVs now and that's a big plus.
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Feb 8, 2018 05:57
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Didn't Musk offer up the Tesla tech for free to everyone?
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Feb 8, 2018 05:59
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Rhyno posted:Didn't Musk offer up the Tesla tech for free to everyone? Possibly? Not sure.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:07
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iospace posted:Possibly? Not sure. Maybe it was just the battery tech. A shame, imagine the Tesla tech in the hands of a competent auto maker.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:13
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Yeah, just think if GM's marketing could get their hands on Tesla's inferior tech and resources.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:20
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He didn't offer battery tech or anything, he removed all licensing fees for their charger port design. He wants the other manufacturers to use Tesla's charger port design because that's only a plus for everybody.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:23
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Rhyno posted:Maybe it was just the battery tech. A shame, imagine the Tesla tech in the hands of a competent auto maker. Saab is dead man.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:25
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KakerMix posted:Saab is dead man. Too soon bro.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:26
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KakerMix posted:Saab is dead man. i'm picturing it and smiling but thinking about it and frowning
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Feb 8, 2018 06:30
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https://twitter.com/regularcars/status/961361113177735168 God drat genuine land barge. 2 metric tons, 5 meters long and full of all the good stuff. Image is a link to a gallery.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:43
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Hnnnng that is a good car.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:44
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I really hope there's an RCR video.
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Feb 8, 2018 06:45
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Regarding space junk are we saying that it would be a good idea if we left less crap up there? Maybe if we started to develop the tech to recover things instead of leaving them where they end up? Perhaps even reuse them? That would be great, someone should tell SpaceX about that idea. They're also trying to make the payload fairings recoverable by the way.
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Feb 8, 2018 07:21
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:He didn't offer battery tech or anything, he removed all licensing fees for their charger port design. He wants the other manufacturers to use Tesla's charger port design because that's only a plus for everybody. See, this is cool. Standardize the infrastructure, specialize the users. I think it's pretty normal to be turned off by the cult of personality around a single person though, be it Donald Trump or Elon Musk.
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Feb 8, 2018 07:26
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xzzy posted:I saw estimates that the car may not last a year because radiation will destroy pretty much anything in there that's carbon based. And if that doesn't do it, micrometeorites will fill it with holes. An interplanetary shandrydan. That's so American.
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Feb 8, 2018 09:53
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Jonny Nox posted:See, this is cool. Standardize the infrastructure, specialize the users. Rich people/the ruling class are not to be trusted.
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I'm still baffled how here in germany no one can figure out the charging infrastructure for EVs. There are a lot of charging stations (at least in the cities) but they are all operated by different companies that require you to make accounts and get special cards and chips to use the chargers. So you can't just drive to a charger and use it cause the company hasn't send you their special little chip yet and even if they did half of the time it doesn't work because it won't read it or your account is hosed. The people you can call have no idea what to do and just restart the charger and hope it works or tell you to use another one. How loving hard is it to set up a charger where you just put your debit/credit card in and it just charges your car and your bank account. This is not new technology! You can do this to tank gas! But as soon as its electricity you have to disrupt! We need an App and a special card and an account where you can precisely check how many electricity you charged where! Best chargers are the ones where its just some dude sitting somewhere and he gives you a key which unlocks the charger and makes you promise to bring it back afterward...
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cakesmith handyman posted:Regarding space junk are we saying that it would be a good idea if we left less crap up there? Maybe if we started to develop the tech to recover things instead of leaving them where they end up? Perhaps even reuse them? That would be great, someone should tell SpaceX about that idea. While it's an important issue, and we should keep an eye on how much we randomly chuck off planet, things like the Tesla are massively far down the list compared to things like anti satellite weapons testing by countries that don't give a gently caress.
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Shai-Hulud posted:I'm still baffled how here in germany no one can figure out the charging infrastructure for EVs. There are a lot of charging stations (at least in the cities) but they are all operated by different companies that require you to make accounts and get special cards and chips to use the chargers. So you can't just drive to a charger and use it cause the company hasn't send you their special little chip yet and even if they did half of the time it doesn't work because it won't read it or your account is hosed. The people you can call have no idea what to do and just restart the charger and hope it works or tell you to use another one. Because mutiple electricity providers thanks to capitalism. They all want to capture as much profit as possible. Fuel is a physical good, so its very easy to track that, not so much with electricity, since the grid is all interconnected, so we get this clusterfuck when you leave it to private companies. Its (relatively) more simple when it comes to things such as houses where your supplier can switch but your position does not, but it quickly becomes a bag of dicks when applied to EVs. Thank you capitalism and the free market for making utilities an idiotic playground for rear end in a top hat companies. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 11:17
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On the subject of V12 Toyota's:  http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/06/rolling-double-six-v12-toyota-mark-ii/
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Because mutiple electricity providers thanks to capitalism. They all want to capture as much profit as possible. Fuel is a physical good, so its very easy to track that, not so much with electricity, since the grid is all interconnected, so we get this clusterfuck when you leave it to private companies. I'm all for ragging on capitalism, but it's not like gasoline is a a government monopoly. It's all private companies, and they managed to figure out. The problem is both the lure of BIG DATA, and even more so that the charging points are being controlled and designed by the car manufacturers, instead of a separate industry. Imagine if Ford built fuel tanks designed for a square filler nozzle that only Ford gas stations were equipped with? That's the situation here. If you want to rage against capitalism, rage against the current push towards deregulation which means the government isn't going to step in and mandate a standardized plug and socket design for cars like they have for buildings in the past. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 13:08
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:He didn't offer battery tech or anything, he removed all licensing fees for their charger port design. He wants the other manufacturers to use Tesla's charger port design because that's only a plus for everybody. I thought he released a bunch of patents at some point way back when, didn't know he did this. While I wish there was a standard port, I'd much rather it be a collaboration vs. everybody accepting what Tesla designed... Based on some of their other choices. 
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ExplodingSims posted:Since he's so gung-ho about Mars, I really hope someone can talk him into doing a bunch of terraforming research. Because, uh, we're gonna need that here pretty soon. iospace posted:SpaceX is Musk's 100% legitimate post-PayPal success, more than any other venture he's had. Tesla is cool from a tech standpoint and has really shown that A. a market for EVs do exist, and B. they can have similar range to a gas car. As for the cars themselves, beyond the drivetrain, they're meh. Tesla cars have their faults, but they've been great for lighting a blowtorch under the lazy asses of the traditional manufacturers. Rhyno posted:Didn't Musk offer up the Tesla tech for free to everyone? cakesmith handyman posted:Regarding space junk are we saying that it would be a good idea if we left less crap up there? Maybe if we started to develop the tech to recover things instead of leaving them where they end up? Perhaps even reuse them? That would be great, someone should tell SpaceX about that idea.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Just imagine a 20 km beach. On that beach think of one grain of sand. That's the Tesla in Interplanentary space and the rest of the beach is one great big fuckoff vaccuum. It's not, and I would have to guess think it's even by several orders of magnitude less of a problem than that. I had people at work yesterday bitching about it to. I actually got tired of trying to correct people that it is nowhere near LEO which IS a concern, potentially a serious one. They can't grasp how orbits work and vaguely remember hearing about the asteroid belt from grade school. It's orbit is virtually taking it out to Ceres.
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cakesmith handyman posted:Regarding space junk are we saying that it would be a good idea if we left less crap up there? Maybe if we started to develop the tech to recover things instead of leaving them where they end up? Perhaps even reuse them? That would be great, someone should tell SpaceX about that idea. Space junk is a legit problem, yes, but as mentioned, most everything of a rocket never makes it into orbital flight, only suborbital at most. It's why the EM drive has some interest, despite the fact it shouldn't work by any means (no clue if they finally launched that microsat with one on and tested it). Satellites today are limited by onboard fuel (and some by coolant, but that's a different matter). Usually the last bits of fuel are to put it in a graveyard orbit or deorbit it, depending on height (anything middle earth orbit or higher tends to get graveyard orbited, because at that point drag is negligible so they won't deorbit due to the atmosphere). If a 100% propellentless rocket engine works, even if it's a small amount of thrust comparatively, it would revolutionize satellites forever, because once you're in space, the amount of thrust you need drops to a very tiny amount.
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Elon Musk is basically Hank Scorpio in real life. How many larger-than-life visionaries can you name who are actually bringing their wild claims to fruition like he is? Sure, a lot of the time it's years later than promised, but it's still happening. I think we need more people like him. Naysayers should put their money where their mouths are. No one's perfect and neither is Musk but we're seeing amazing progress that society as a whole desperately needs.
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slidebite posted:It's not, and I would have to guess think it's even by several orders of magnitude less of a problem than that. I had people at work yesterday bitching about it to. I actually got tired of trying to correct people that it is nowhere near LEO which IS a concern, potentially a serious one. They can't grasp how orbits work and vaguely remember hearing about the asteroid belt from grade school. Only issue I have with it is they did it all in one burn, which means its closest point to the sun is super close to earth's orbit. My issue isn't a litter related one though, it's just not as fun as it would have been if they gave the rocket a near-circular orbit around the sun. They clearly had the fuel to pull it off so I figure the rocket lacked sufficient steering thrusters.
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Feb 8, 2018 15:37
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xzzy posted:Only issue I have with it is they did it all in one burn, which means its closest point to the sun is super close to earth's orbit. Also, The Worlds Fastest Car should be back around Earth in Feb of 2030. I said to some coworkers that it'd be amazing if SpaceX planned a mission to retrieve it when it's back around. Ambitious, yes, but 12 years to plan and pull it off? And think of the publicity.
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Finger Prince posted:I'm all for ragging on capitalism, but it's not like gasoline is a a government monopoly. It's all private companies, and they managed to figure out. The problem is both the lure of BIG DATA, and even more so that the charging points are being controlled and designed by the car manufacturers, instead of a separate industry. Imagine if Ford built fuel tanks designed for a square filler nozzle that only Ford gas stations were equipped with? That's the situation here. If you want to rage against capitalism, rage against the current push towards deregulation which means the government isn't going to step in and mandate a standardized plug and socket design for cars like they have for buildings in the past. I brought up fuel since, as a tangible good, its easy to track, weve been trading in tangible goods for goddamn ever, and therefore poo poo like square nozzle exclusivity hurts the bottom line since youre not moving volume. Electricity is a vastly different landscape for delivery, being most definitely not tangible in the same ways fuel is, and in that distinction is where the profit margins are. Its a clusterfuck which is not being aided by current regulation. Besides I think theyre not ragging on socket design, but on the fractured, non unified payment state of charger stations. A more apt comparison would be if a metro had mutiple operating companies and each line required their own payment card. Nationalize all utilities. The Midniter posted:Elon Musk is basically Hank Scorpio in real life. How many larger-than-life visionaries can you name who are actually bringing their wild claims to fruition like he is? Sure, a lot of the time it's years later than promised, but it's still happening. I think we need more people like him. Naysayers should put their money where their mouths are. No one's perfect and neither is Musk but we're seeing amazing progress that society as a whole desperately needs. My personal problem with it is that the project driving this push into space is in part a vanity project, and the other part a for profit venture. And also the technocratic worhip of "great visionaries", when really the most he did was foot the bill. Call me a pessimistic grump but I dont believe that sort of thought is sustainable. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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slidebite posted:It's not, and I would have to guess think it's even by several orders of magnitude less of a problem than that. I had people at work yesterday bitching about it to. I actually got tired of trying to correct people that it is nowhere near LEO which IS a concern, potentially a serious one. They can't grasp how orbits work and vaguely remember hearing about the asteroid belt from grade school. Yeah people can't grasp how truly big space is. Mainly because it's pretty unfathomable to our human scale of thinking. Think of the size of a car in relation to the size of the Earth, then imagine that you can fit 30 more Earths in between that car and the moon. But the moon is just there! I can see craters on it through my binoculars! Yeah space is loving big.  Really loving big. And that's just in the relative 2 dimensions of the orbital plane.
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Collateral Damage posted:I think the biggest achievement of Tesla has been showing the world that it is possible to build a long-range EV that can be charged in a few hours and that there IS a market for it. Which means the established manufacturer have been forced to stop lying about it and actually start making electric vehicles, even though it feels like many of them are still holding back and hoping that EVs will be a fad that blows over so they can go back into their petrol-scented comfort zone. As a Detroiter, I don't really agree with your perception. Tesla is only able to make it "work" because it's a luxury vehicle and can charge more, despite them still never making any money doing it. From a business perspective, you can understand how to any corporation (which are designed to make money and bring profit to shareholders) that this is a bit of a hard sell especially after the bankruptcies. However, everyone knows it's the future of propulsion and there's a ton of money being invested in it currently. But to make them cheap and affordable (and not be a loss for the automaker) for everyone like a Model 3 or Bolt is still difficult. They sell in small enough numbers that the losses aren't huge, and the R&D will eventually pay off. For the short term, fossil fuel is still king so it's a dual path at this point. Eventually EVs will overtake them, it's just going to be a few years out.
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um excuse me posted:The Tesla's electric motor became public domain. I mean, I haven't dug into it, but I seriously can't imagine Tesla invented anything new with motors... induction motor for the higher end stuff, apparently a permanent magnet DC motor on the Model 3.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:On the subject of V12 Toyota's: Yeah there's videos of this thing making noise and it sounds cool as gently caress but this article has the single greatest part of the story in there. Allow me to point it out to you all: quote:Barely mustering a stodgy 100hp, the old M-EU needed to go. While the initial idea was to fit the 3UZ-FE, found most commonly in the Lexus LS430/Toyota Celsior, a chance Yahoo Auctions Japan encounter with something a bit more exciting altered the Mark II’s destiny. Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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The Prong Song posted:Also, The Worlds Fastest Car should be back around Earth in Feb of 2030. I said to some coworkers that it'd be amazing if SpaceX planned a mission to retrieve it when it's back around. Ambitious, yes, but 12 years to plan and pull it off? And think of the publicity. I wonder if the jerks that made pluto not a planet will strip this title because it's not technically on a world anymore. Solar system's fastest car, perhaps. But the records committee will probably say the vehicle has to be moving under its own power or something.
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Wasabi the J posted:Yeah it's not like he put a disco ball in LEO for no loving scientific or testing gain that's ruining real scientific research. quote:The goal of the project is to create “a shared experience for all of humanity,” according to Rocket Lab. “No matter where you are in the world, or what is happening in your life, everyone will be able to see the Humanity Star in the night sky,” Beck said in a statement.
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