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RatHat posted:You're gonna have a really rough time with NG+ if you rely on Sloth talismans too much. I'm one mission or two away from filling up the Way of the strong mission bar and I'm moving on to Demon already. I'm already feeling weak sloth talismans are going to be a problem in bosses like Otani.
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Yeah, break off your dependence on them ASAP. They last about as long as the casting animation later.
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Neurosis posted:way of the strong. i'm in wotd but haven't gotten access to that level yet to see if people are doing the same thing there Thanks for the advice. I gained about 40 levels in there, trying to get to a decent level before I dive into WotD
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Fargin Icehole posted:I needed help on almost every single DLC boss....Except Sanada. I got extremely lucky with Sanada and i finished him off with 5/6 sloth talismen that landed, and even then you barely have time to get anything in I thought you couldn't use Sloth Talismans on DLC bosses. Didn't they make it so that they were immune to it, since Sloth can wreck a lot the main game bosses?
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Jan 28, 2018 02:01
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Max Wilco posted:I thought you couldn't use Sloth Talismans on DLC bosses. Didn't they make it so that they were immune to it, since Sloth can wreck a lot the main game bosses? Whoops, I wasn't clear on this. This was just Sanada on the regular difficulty for me, where in the DLC these guys already start having resistances to it. I started using sloth talismans by the time I got to Shima Sakon, where I rely on it until i get hit by his bullshit one shot attack.
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Max Wilco posted:I thought you couldn't use Sloth Talismans on DLC bosses. Didn't they make it so that they were immune to it, since Sloth can wreck a lot the main game bosses? No, they're not immune, it just has a shorter duration.
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Is there a good guide out there for ideal armour / weapon roles? Currently running full kingo with an odachi and I’m just adding levels to pieces at this point. I’m afraid I’ll end up wasting resources on an item I need to replace for the better roles.
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alright i think way of the wise might be where i put this game down. getting gear up to spec for the later bosses would take too long and not be particularly fun, given how easy it is to die. ethereals just drop too infrequently and i don't want to have to gently caress around with all of my tools to get past every fight more difficult than a couple of skeleton warriors or bandits. i can only imagine how tedious way of the nioh must be.
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cougar cub posted:Is there a good guide out there for ideal armour / weapon roles? Yeah I'm almost done with Way of the Strong and I've been mostly sticking with Kingo for now. When I got a Yasakani Magatama(Only guaranteed drop is Return of the Gourd in WotS) I switched out the leg piece for Tatenashi, and I'll probably switch out the other pieces when I have enough Stamina to stay below 70% weight. The only other set I've seen that I've considered is the General of Kigetsu which gets bonuses when you have a negative status effect(AKA Carnage Talisman). With 1-2 Yasakani Magatama you can mix and match to get the effects of a bunch of different sets so don't be afraid to experiment.
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The 'reduced set bonus requirements' effect from the Yasakani Magatma doesn't actually stack, unfortunately
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Any good build guides for this? recommendations? i got complete edition as a gift from someone on Steam that saw i liked dark souls and im kinda lost as to what skills to buy, what stats to raise and what is garbage. Im enjoying using an Odachi, but im facing choice paralysis with where to put my skills. are there respecs in this? or is it a one way gently caress you for picking this and changing your mind? Ive got to the ogre in the ship after the flaming fishing town.
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This game is pretty forgiving in how you spread your stats, to an extent. You want enough stamina to get at least under the 70% equip cap (unless you're using all heavy armor then that's pretty much hopeless), at least a little bit of dexterity and magic to give you more tools to use, and enough spirit to take advantage of guardian spirit abilities. Other than that, just focus on the main stats your chosen weapon loadout scales off of. You start leveling up pretty quick once you get into the groove of the game, so don't agonize too much over where to put points early on. Also, re-spec items become plentiful towards the middle/end of the game. The first skills you want to grab are the ones that allow ki pulsing for dodging at the right time. Basically dodge when you'd otherwise be ki pulsing and you get a free one. Other than that, pick what looks cool. The base movesets are enough to get through the game. Don't worry about upgrading equipment early on in the game, you'll find better stuff pretty rapidly as you progress. Some other information: The effects of each element are: fire is just damage over time, water increases the damage an enemy takes, wind reduces the damage an enemy deals, lightning slows dudes down, and earth slows ki recovery. Weakness and sloth talismans are really strong, and can make an impossible seeming boss significantly more manageable. Every guardian spirit has a unique attack activated by using a moment talisman, guardian spirit talisman (in the onmyo magic tree), or by pressing heavy attack+use buttons during living weapon. These are generally good for applying their respective elemental debuff, and doing other things like knocking enemies down or slowing them or giving you a temporary defense boost. also here's a good post from a few pages ago SkeletonHero posted:Always make sure you are geared up to your level. Don't get too attached to gear for the first NG cycle.
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Unfinish3d posted:The 'reduced set bonus requirements' effect from the Yasakani Magatma doesn't actually stack, unfortunately Aww that’s a shame but I guess it makes it easier for finding ideal accessories. It’s really dumb that they can’t be reforged or soul matched.
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The Ki Pulse while dodge had me thinking i had to hit dodge and ki pulse while moving in the dodge animation and was writing it off as 'gently caress your old rear end, have more buttons to remember.' So just hitting dodge gets me some endurance back, with that skill, that helps a lot. The loot system I was familiar with, and picked up on how carry weight works, with agility B being can still dodge, just not ninja blur levels. Thanks for the clarifications!
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As a bonus you only need to buy the "Ki pulse when dodging" skills once and then it'll apply to every weapon. Flux is the same way.
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winterwerefox posted:The Ki Pulse while dodge had me thinking i had to hit dodge and ki pulse while moving in the dodge animation and was writing it off as 'gently caress your old rear end, have more buttons to remember.' So just hitting dodge gets me some endurance back, with that skill, that helps a lot. The loot system I was familiar with, and picked up on how carry weight works, with agility B being can still dodge, just not ninja blur levels. I had that same problem when I first started playing, where I thought, "How the hell am I supposed to attack, dodge and hit R1 all in a row without screwing it up?" The I realized you just had to dodge after an attack.
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Wow upgrading guardian spirits past 30 costs a ridiculous amount of amrita. Jumps from like 300k per level to 3.5 million.
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Yeah the ability to level them further was added in one the dlcs so it expects you to be making at least way of the demon amounts of amrita where a few mil ain't that much.
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Ugh just how low are the chances of (DLC3 spoiler)Jin Hayabusa dropping his unique skills?
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RatHat posted:Wow upgrading guardian spirits past 30 costs a ridiculous amount of amrita. Jumps from like 300k per level to 3.5 million. The limit is 60 IIRC, +10 levels per extra difficulty reached.
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Warrior of the West fight is insanely cheap on WotW. Of the samurai challenge fights the red demon guy was okay and the heavy armour spear dude trivially easy but goddamn the 1 hit iais are punishing and he doesn't have nearly as many openings to take off chunks of hp as the other two
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RatHat posted:Ugh just how low are the chances of (DLC3 spoiler)Jin Hayabusa dropping his unique skills? Well I got them after like 30 kills. They’re pretty underwhelming. Izuma Drop is decent, it seems to do about the same damage as a grapple and you can still final blow afterwards. But it’s better to just Iai-Iai-Final blow instead. It just replaces your Grapple though so might as well have it. The fireball looks cool but is too slow to hit much.
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I managed to make my ethereal katana do 30 percent less damage by getting greedy on reforging rolls. Is there any way to savescum reforging? It's so ridiculously expensive when trying to optimise
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Neurosis posted:I managed to make my ethereal katana do 30 percent less damage by getting greedy on reforging rolls. Is there any way to savescum reforging? It's so ridiculously expensive when trying to optimise If you haven't hit Y/Triangle to force a save in the map, and if you haven't started a mission, just quit and reload. I've had it forget poo poo I did in the map so many times because I keep forgetting to force a save when I'm done.
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Getting the title for beating Orochi without getting hit almost made me throw my controller through the screen.
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Max Wilco posted:I guess worse-case scenario is if they set it in the Three Kingdoms era (which wouldn't be a bad thing, mind you, but Three Kingdoms era China and Sengoku Japan seem to be the main go-to time period for Koei-Tecmo). The 'Nioh' title also seems like it wouldn't really apply anymore if it was set outside of Japan. “When the last sword is drawn” is a legit fantastic movie that showcases the life of a poorer samurai, but it might be hard to find. “Sekigahara” is a Japanese attempted at a big Hollywood style war movie that covers the battle of sekigahara. They forgot the part about a giant corpse demon though so I don’t know how accurate it really is. There are a lot of samurai movies around, just like there are a lot of “Knight” movies around, but a lot of them require a decent amount of cultural knowledge to get. Kurosawa movies and “when the last sword is drawn” stand on their own as good movies that anybody can watch, but other movies like “sekigahara” can be really hard to follow if you don’t already know Japanese history/culture.
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I was thinking all about the best routes through levels to get the Traveler titles but then I found out there's an exploit to make the game only count from the last shrine to the boss. Well that simplifies things.
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battle of ohashi bridge on way of the nioh can go gently caress itself. the giant himself would be irritating because of how wide the arc of some of his attacks are despite looking narrow and because of his trillion hitpoints, but doable. the raven tengu with him just makes getting to fighting him a loving item-eating chore which makes really attempting the mission loving irritating.
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Just charge up your living weapon beforehand with spirit stones and burn down the Tengu.
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I've been slowly working my way through WotN, and yeah my strategy for most difficult bits has been relying on bursting things down with carnage talisman and living weapon, with a weakness talisman + confusion on enemies. I honestly feel like playing through WotN is actually making me worse at the game overall because my strategy always boils down to either successfully bursting the things down, or dying, calling my spirit pals back, and trying again
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Starting my first playthrough on PC. Anything I should know, as someone with experience in the souls series? Stuff you wish you had figured out earlier etc.
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- Try to focus on 1-2 weapons with your skill points, don’t spread out too much. - Learn when to block and when to dodge. Toughness affects how good your blocking is so light armor won’t be able to block much, heavy armor can block nearly everything. - Agility affects how much Ki you use when dodging and attacking. Always stay at B agility(70% weight) or better(A is 30%). C agility is just awful. - Don’t worry too much about crafting or reforging before NG+, just use the best equipment you can find. - All weapons are viable but Axe and Tonfa are probably the hardest to play well. - Some enemies have horns you can break to drain their Ki temporarily. Some weapons have good vertical attacks for this but stones work well too. RatHat fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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RatHat posted:- Try to focus on 1-2 weapons with your skill points, don’t spread out too much. Cool thanks! Good to know about crafting, can never tell if it's worth it right away.
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The most important thing about Nioh is your blocking isn't Dark Souls blocking. You can block most attacks in a 360 degree circle around yourself, and you usually block all damage. There are attacks that pierce block, there are attacks that negate blocking altogether (grabs), but your block is otherwise perfect, so when in doubt train yourself to block instead of dodge if you're more used to Dark Souls combat.
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Shima Honnou posted:The most important thing about Nioh is your blocking isn't Dark Souls blocking. You can block most attacks in a 360 degree circle around yourself, and you usually block all damage. There are attacks that pierce block, there are attacks that negate blocking altogether (grabs), but your block is otherwise perfect, so when in doubt train yourself to block instead of dodge if you're more used to Dark Souls combat. You can block a sticky bomb. Stuck to your back. You block good in Nioh.
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Pegnose Pete posted:Starting my first playthrough on PC. Anything I should know, as someone with experience in the souls series? -Apart from damage output, the stances also impact the direction of your attacks and how it affects your Ki. High stance attack are usually over-head, down-slashing attacks, ideal for single enemies. Mid-stance attacks are sweeping, sideways attacks (useful for fighting groups of enemies), and blocking in Mid-stance consumes less Ki. Low Stance is helpful because it will let you attack enemies below your waist, or score a couple more hits on a downed opponents (ex. if you're fighting a Dweller, and it's crouched on the ground, you can hit it in Low Stance; the lock-on reticule will light up if you can hit an enemy, or dim if you can't). -One of the key skills you want to get as soon as possible is the Ki Dodge skill (I forget the exact name). The Ki Pulse will let you regain some of your stamina (as well as purifying Yokai pools), but buying the Dodge skill will activate a pulse when you dodge. I think you have to buy it for each weapon, though. -This might be a bit of a spoiler, but the two bosses you might have the most trouble with early on are Hino-Enma and Nue. Hino-Enma I can't offer much advice on other than that moving to the sides while she's in the air will help you dodge most of her ranged attacks (you still have to be careful on the timing, though), and maybe keep the paralytic needles set on a quick-slot . -Nue is frustrating because he'll flood the area in Yokai pools, which will hamper your stamina regen. The method I found was to try and keep a distance from him, and wait for the move where he calls lightning down. At that point, run towards him and hit him in the stomach while it's lit up. You'll have to be careful about not getting hit by the lightning (even when you strike him, there seems to be another bolt that get through), but that'll drain his stamina. He's also got a move where he'll shoot of beam of lighting out of his mouth, but if you can get around it, you can hit him in the side. -There's another Nue you come across in the Mount Hiei mission. You don't have to fight that one in order to clear the mission. I died a good number of times to him before I realized that it wasn't necessary, and the actual boss of the mission is far easier. What I did was come back after beating the game and beat him with divine gear. -The way the game handles elemental damage is...odd. In the second region, you'll be in a missions with enemies made out of water. However, their weakness isn't Electric, but rather FIre. I don't know the whole cycle of what-beats-what, but that might help you in that mission. -Some of the later levels get really confusing and maze-like. There's an item called Travel Talismans that will let you leave a marker (which will also show up on the minimap). That can help you keep track of where you've been. -The Sloth Talisman (part of the magic skills) is extremely helpful with bosses, but only in the main game. The DLC bosses have a resistance to it.
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Max Wilco posted:blocking in Mid-stance consumes less Ki. Ok so this isn't quite true despite what the game tells you(it's because of the bad translation). Blocking is the same in all stances but the ki pulse buff skill for Mid stance gives you enhanced blocking for a few seconds. Yeah they say they increase attack instead but it's a total lie for Mid and Low. High stance buff increases attack, Mid stance buff enhances blocking, Low stance buff makes you use less ki to dodge. [/quote] quote:-The way the game handles elemental damage is...odd. In the second region, you'll be in a missions with enemies made out of water. However, their weakness isn't Electric, but rather FIre. I don't know the whole cycle of what-beats-what, but that might help you in that mission. Yeah it's pretty much on a per enemy basis(check the Yokai encyclopedia for specific enemies) but there are some patterns. Fire is usually weak to Water, Water is usually weak to Fire, Lighting is usually weak to Earth or Wind, Earth is usually weak to Wind, Wind is usually weak to Earth. quote:-The Sloth Talisman (part of the magic skills) is extremely helpful with bosses, but only in the main game. The DLC bosses have a resistance to it. It's not the DLC I think, it's NG+ that does it. Sloth is OP as gently caress in NG but it gets shorter and shorter with each NG+. On Way of the Nioh I think it lasts for about 2 seconds. RatHat fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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RatHat posted:Ok so this isn't quite true despite what the game tells you(it's because of the bad translation). Blocking is the same in all stances but the ki pulse buff skill for Mid stance gives you enhanced blocking for a few seconds. Yeah they say they increase attack instead but it's a total lie for Mid and Low. High stance buff increases attack, Mid stance buff enhances blocking, Low stance buff makes you use less ki to dodge. Does the duration of the buff change depending on stance or what weapon you're using. It seems like when I'm using the dual swords, I get less time than when I'm using the spear, but maybe I'm just imaging it.
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