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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

But the UK already has the Lib-Dems. :confused:

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Yeah, I crossposted it in the UKMT:

Tesseraction posted:

We already have a centrist party that aimed to stop Brexit. They had 8 MPs at the start of 2017 and had 10 after the election. People want centrism as much as they want a poo poo sandwich and Macron only did well because France's left and right split amongst themselves.

Inescapable Duck posted:

I'm sure French centrists will be incredibly popular in the UK.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Sweet a new right wing racist party, didn't have enough of those.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

La fondation Jean Jaures a publié une étude sur le conspirationisme en France, pour ceux que ça intéresse.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

quote:

L’énoncé selon lequel « étant largement soumis aux pressions du pouvoir politique et de l’argent, la marge de manœuvre des médias est limitée et ils ne peuvent pas traiter comme ils le voudraient certains sujets » recueille l’adhésion de plus d’un Français sur trois (36 %).

C'est une théorie du complot, ça?

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Kassad posted:

C'est une théorie du complot, ça?
Quand Dassault interdit au Figaro de publier des articles sur ses problemes de justice, pas vraiment. Pareil pour Bolloré.
Il y avait 4 choix sur la presse et les medias:
1) Leur rôle est essentiellement de relayer une propagande mensongère nécessaire à la perpétuation du «Système 9%
2) Etant largement soumis aux pressions du pouvoir politique et de l’argent, leur marge de manœuvre est limitée et ils ne peuvent pas
traiter comme ils le voudraient certains sujets 36%
3) Travaillant dans l’urgence, ils restituent l’information de manière déformée et parfois fausse 30%
4) Globalement, ils restituent correctement l’information et sont capables de se corriger quand ils ont commis une erreur 25%

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Feb 6, 2018

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Toplowtech posted:

2) Etant largement soumis aux pressions du pouvoir politique et de l’argent, leur marge de manœuvre est limitée et ils ne peuvent pas
traiter comme ils le voudraient certains sujets 36%
3) Travaillant dans l’urgence, ils restituent l’information de manière déformée et parfois fausse 30%
4) Globalement, ils restituent correctement l’information et sont capables de se corriger quand ils ont commis une erreur 25%

En fait, je me dis que ces trois propositions sont vraies. Ça dépend seulement de quels médias on parle.

Toplowtech posted:

Quand Dassault interdit au Figaro de publier des articles sur ses problemes de justice, pas vraiment. Pareil pour Bolloré.

Oui, ça peut aussi bien faire références à des racistes qui accusent lémédias de pas parler du grand remplacement (ou autres conneries du genre).

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Je sais pas, quand je vois le jité de France 2 (car je ne vois jamais celui de TF1) je me dis que la première proposition a quand même pas mal de mérite aussi.

Réponse 5) All of the above

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


En d'autres nouvelles l'espérance de vie est très largement corrélée au revenu, d'après une étude relayée par Le Monde

http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs...64_4355770.html

Quand je vois ces graphiques, la première chose qui me vient à l'esprit c'est "Putain, encore 54 ans à tirer"

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




What the gently caress is wrong with Paris that when it snows all the buses shut down? It's not like snow is an unknown quantity here. My partner had to walk 30 minutes in the cold to get to the RER B, since her bus wasn't running, and the RATP can't even be bothered to tell people that their buses aren't running? She actually had a bus driver pull up on the bus and tell her he wasn't taking any passengers after she had already waited a good 15 minutes, making her walk another 30 more.

It's a major metropolitan area, you think they could deal with a little snow.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
They don't make snow tires for buses so as soon as it gets a bit slippery it becomes infinitely more difficult for large vehicles like buses to drive safely. I live in a ski resort in Canada where it snows regularly and when it snows we ALWAYS end up with buses in the ditch, or if they've figured out in time they're not going to make it, they just go along the highway which is plowed a lot better.

Like yeah, it sucks, but it's really not a unique-to-Paris thing.

A lack of communication from the RATP isn't exactly a shock, either.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Most of those are straight wacky stuff for dummies but I'm not 100% on items like:
- Les groupes terroristes djihadistes comme Al-Qaïda ou Daech sont en réalité manipulés par les services secrets occidentaux
and
- Le ministère de la santé est de mèche avec l’industrie pharmaceutique pour cacher au grand public la réalité sur la nocivité des vaccins

Except the word isn't "conspiracy" but rather regular ineptitude or negligence. Am I part of the problem ?

100YrsofAttitude posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with Paris that when it snows all the buses shut down? It's not like snow is an unknown quantity here. My partner had to walk 30 minutes in the cold to get to the RER B, since her bus wasn't running, and the RATP can't even be bothered to tell people that their buses aren't running? She actually had a bus driver pull up on the bus and tell her he wasn't taking any passengers after she had already waited a good 15 minutes, making her walk another 30 more.

It's a major metropolitan area, you think they could deal with a little snow.

"C'est clair on va pas en faire des caisses pour 5euros cm"
/


Flowers For Algeria posted:

Réponse 5) Jews (don't specify)
ftfy

unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Feb 6, 2018

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

unpacked robinhood posted:

Most of those are straight wacky stuff for dummies but I'm not 100% on items like:
- Les groupes terroristes djihadistes comme Al-Qaïda ou Daech sont en réalité manipulés par les services secrets occidentaux
and
- Le ministère de la santé est de mèche avec l’industrie pharmaceutique pour cacher au grand public la réalité sur la nocivité des vaccins
La difference est entre "trouvé l'affirmation potentiellement possible même si peu probable, vouloir des preuves et rester ouvert à cette possibilité" et "croire mordicus que c'est 100% la vérité, vomir des théories de preuves débiles à tour de bras et accepter tout affirmation comme 100% valide parce qu'elle supporte ton opinion". Le premier comportement est comprehensible même si parfois farfelu, le deuxieme comportement est en plein "i want to believe", conspiracy land, où il n'y a pas de logique, uniquement de la croyance aveugle.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Oh wow gross I just had a dream with Manuel Valls in it

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Oh wow gross I just had a dream with Manuel Valls in it

:cumpolice:

BobMorane
Oct 25, 2010

unpacked robinhood posted:


"C'est clair on va pas en faire des caisses pour 5euros cm"


J'avais évidemment entendu dire à quel point c'était le bordel à Paris dès qu'il y a un cm de neige qui accroche sur les routes, mais putain, 3H pour faire les 8 derniers km hier soir, ça ma troué le fion.
Belle collection de Darwin awards automobilistiques, je dois être le seul connard avec des pneus neige dans le 92...

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
so are the buses coming back this afternoon or what

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/SNCF/status/960865673999278080

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
It's funny because first rain closed the metro, and then snow stopped the buses.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Kurtofan posted:

so are the buses coming back this afternoon or what

Haha and of course we're all expected to get to work out in the suburbs somehow.

I shouldn't complain since I got a Snow Day, but on the other hand I did actually manage to get to work and then 5 minutes later the principal tells us she's not opening up the school.

x420ReDdIT_Br0nYx
Jan 21, 2013



Pour un peu de perspective au sujet de ce sondage je vous conseille deux vidéos: le Stagirite sur la méthodologie douteuse et la table ronde d'Arrêt sur Images avec un de ses auteurs

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
well i'm not going to work today, fine by me

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

x420ReDdIT_Br0nYx posted:

Pour un peu de perspective au sujet de ce sondage je vous conseille deux vidéos: le Stagirite sur la méthodologie douteuse et la table ronde d'Arrêt sur Images avec un de ses auteurs
Les critiques sur les differents types de conspirations à droite et à gauche et la disproportion des secondes dans le sondage sont plutôt valides. Une liste des types de conspirations les plus crus par groupement politique aurait aussi êté plus appropriée qu'une simple % des gens qui croient en au moins une théorie.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
The guy in that video is refreshingly non insufferable (wesh wesh)

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

HookShot posted:

They don't make snow tires for buses

Oh, really? Then how was I able to get to work and back, today, riding buses, in a snowstorm, in and around piddly Albany, New York?

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


Absurd Alhazred posted:

Oh, really? Then how was I able to get to work and back, today, riding buses, in a snowstorm, in and around piddly Albany, New York?

Because the French are gigantic babies about the snow.

I took this picture a few years ago because I woke up to a text message from my boss saying to stay home because of the snow. I looked out and saw this. Since I had the day off I decided to do the proper Breton thing and go buy some booze so I could just sit at home and drink all day. No such luck, every grocery store I could find was loving closed as was the city's entire public transit system. During most of my quest for alcohol I was literally the only person on the streets, like some kind of post-apocalyptic horror movie. I ended up finding a pub that was open and was the only person there apart from the bartender most of the day.

That's my story, hope you liked it.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Soviet Commubot posted:

Because the French are gigantic babies about the snow.

I took this picture a few years ago because I woke up to a text message from my boss saying to stay home because of the snow. I looked out and saw this. Since I had the day off I decided to do the proper Breton thing and go buy some booze so I could just sit at home and drink all day. No such luck, every grocery store I could find was loving closed as was the city's entire public transit system. During most of my quest for alcohol I was literally the only person on the streets, like some kind of post-apocalyptic horror movie. I ended up finding a pub that was open and was the only person there apart from the bartender most of the day.

That's my story, hope you liked it.



Sounds dreamy, actually. So basically if I move to France I will be a superhero during snow storms?

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Oh, really? Then how was I able to get to work and back, today, riding buses, in a snowstorm, in and around piddly Albany, New York?

Because Albany doesn't have anything remotely resembling a hill in the entire city so there's nowhere for buses to get stuck/hosed over running on summer tires? Also because American drivers aren't nearly as insane as French ones.

Seriously, the only options for winter tires for buses and large trucks is chains. Our buses run summer tires all the time, which is why they're often limited to the flat highway in winter.

This was one of our local buses in November after a small snowstorm, trying to go down a hill:



Soviet Commubot posted:

Because the French are gigantic babies about the snow.

I took this picture a few years ago because I woke up to a text message from my boss saying to stay home because of the snow. I looked out and saw this. Since I had the day off I decided to do the proper Breton thing and go buy some booze so I could just sit at home and drink all day. No such luck, every grocery store I could find was loving closed as was the city's entire public transit system. During most of my quest for alcohol I was literally the only person on the streets, like some kind of post-apocalyptic horror movie. I ended up finding a pub that was open and was the only person there apart from the bartender most of the day.

That's my story, hope you liked it.


This is super adorable hahaha.

HookShot fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Feb 8, 2018

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

HookShot posted:

Because Albany doesn't have anything remotely resembling a hill in the entire city so there's nowhere for buses to get stuck/hosed over running on summer tires? Also because American drivers aren't nearly as insane as French ones.

Seriously, the only options for winter tires for buses and large trucks is chains. Our buses run summer tires all the time, which is why they're often limited to the flat highway in winter.

This was one of our local buses in November after a small snowstorm, trying to go down a hill:



This is super adorable hahaha.

Ah, yes, the horrible inclines of loving Paris. :rolleyes:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Soviet Commubot posted:

Because the French are gigantic babies about the snow.

I took this picture a few years ago because I woke up to a text message from my boss saying to stay home because of the snow. I looked out and saw this. Since I had the day off I decided to do the proper Breton thing and go buy some booze so I could just sit at home and drink all day. No such luck, every grocery store I could find was loving closed as was the city's entire public transit system. During most of my quest for alcohol I was literally the only person on the streets, like some kind of post-apocalyptic horror movie. I ended up finding a pub that was open and was the only person there apart from the bartender most of the day.

That's my story, hope you liked it.



tbh this sounds more like finding a passable excuse not to go to work than actual concerns about snow

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


V. Illych L. posted:

tbh this sounds more like finding a passable excuse not to go to work than actual concerns about snow

:france:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

i mean don't get me wrong i admire the attitude

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Soviet Commubot posted:

Because the French are gigantic babies about the snow.



Also that's Rennes which really doesn't get much or any snow usually, except that one time back in 2011 or 2012 (maybe?).

That's pretty steep and narrow between republique and st anne too, unless it was completely cleaned from any snow i wouldn't be surprised if the city decided it wasn't worth risking an accident.

Can't blame people for playing it safe around conditions they aren't used to, Bretons are suicidal, not crazy.
Leaving office workers home when the roads are this bad isn't super shocking either.

e: heeey but this is right next to drug dealer street :D

unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Feb 8, 2018

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016


Can't spawn the Macron.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


I live 150 m from work and I'm probably not going to go.
Imagine if I fell down and broke my ankle!

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Ah, yes, the horrible inclines of loving Paris. :rolleyes:



:shrug:

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

ok new civic planning policy: direct bus line down the montmartre

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

suck my woke dick posted:

ok new civic planning policy: direct bus line down the montmartre
Didn't know that bobsleigh was in France this olympic games.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016


Une planche en contraplaque d'un saut vachement génial.

Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Feb 8, 2018

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


HookShot posted:

American drivers aren't nearly as insane as French ones.

I'd have said the same until I moved to Colorado. These people are monsters.

unpacked robinhood posted:

Also that's Rennes which really doesn't get much or any snow usually, except that one time back in 2011 or 2012 (maybe?).

That's pretty steep and narrow between republique and st anne too, unless it was completely cleaned from any snow i wouldn't be surprised if the city decided it wasn't worth risking an accident.

Can't blame people for playing it safe around conditions they aren't used to, Bretons are suicidal, not crazy.
Leaving office workers home when the roads are this bad isn't super shocking either.

e: heeey but this is right next to drug dealer street :D

It was back in 2011, I was there then too. I'm pretty sure this dusting was in 2013.

I don't really have any sympathy, I grew up where there were significant (in the tens of centimeters) accumulations for 3+ months and most of us survived. There's no magic to driving in the snow, just don't drive like an rear end in a top hat.

Now you're making me miss Rennes. I'd move back tomorrow if I could :(

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100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Soviet Commubot posted:

I don't really have any sympathy, I grew up where there were significant (in the tens of centimeters) accumulations for 3+ months and most of us survived. There's no magic to driving in the snow, just don't drive like an rear end in a top hat.

Yeah pretty much. New England gets plenty of snow and we all get up the next day and go to work. It takes a little bit of prep. Some salt on the roads and a few plows. Even if it's not a common occurence I'm sure there can be some hiding out in some garage in Paris out of all places. I mean I get the outskirts being out of access but we're still talking one of the biggest cities in the world. But whatever. Can't complain. I didn't work yesterday, and risk of snow cancelled morning classes tomorrow so I don't work again either.

New question:

Aujourd'hui j'ai parlé avec un recruteur syndical. Il y'avait syndicat présent, notamment le CGT et le CFDT, spécifiquement le Sepef qui est leur branche présent à Créteil. Il y'avait quelques autres syndicats catholiques (je travail dans l'enseignement catholique) mais ils n'ont pas l'air intéressants. C'est mon première année comme professeur et comme américain je aucune connaissance de syndicats, vu qu'il sont presque anathème aux américains. Avez-vous d'expériences avec ou d'avis ? De les deux le Cfdt me sembler plus intéressant. Si c'est hors-place vous pouvez me contacter par message privé. Merci !

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