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Khisanth Magus posted:Isn't the majority/minority leaders just the people who have served the longest from each party. No. They are choosen by the caucus. Which means... 
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Honestly I think the people crowing about "welp the Democrats are now up 8% in the polls so I guess the leftists are stupid" are pissing me off the most. It absolutely is missing the point of why we are supposed to want Democrats in office in the first place and they haven't exactly given good reasons to trust that NEXT time they are totally going to be good and not try to bargain away everything they can in the spirit of making their supposed adversaries happy. I think most people agree that there is going to be some sort of swell in voter enthusiasm because Trump is just that obviously lovely but if they get a congressional majority in 2018 and then the Presidency in 2020 how does that help the Dreamers long term if they still aren't willing to break the filibuster for them??
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Feb 9, 2018 19:40
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Office Pig posted:For those of you wondering why Schumer has been working so closely with McConnell on this. I didn't know any of this about Schumer. He is truly garbage
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Feb 9, 2018 19:41
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One of the best things the Democratic Party leadership could do for the country is vow to step down from leadership positions after the elections. That should be a litmus test for the primary.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:46
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Seriously even if you are the biggest moderate ever I don't understand how you look at these losers that are constantly humiliated by the joke that is Trump and not get pissed.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:49
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Radish posted:Seriously even if you are the biggest moderate ever I don't understand how you look at these losers that are constantly humiliated by the joke that is Trump and not get pissed. Actually mass deportations are good for the democrats. If you don't see what's happening here and over the past few months then you'll be in for endless surprises.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:53
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Radish posted:Honestly I think the people crowing about "welp the Democrats are now up 8% in the polls so I guess the leftists are stupid" are pissing me off the most. It absolutely is missing the point of why we are supposed to want Democrats in office in the first place and they haven't exactly given good reasons to trust that NEXT time they are totally going to be good and not try to bargain away everything they can in the spirit of making their supposed adversaries happy. The Dems will kick the can down the road until another Republican monster gets elected, the Dems come back and win an election based on his/her unpopularity, then the cycle will repeat forever. We are all of us unwilling accelerationists unless something incredible happens to break the paradigm.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:53
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The average Dem loves the deadwood in the party. We're where we are because the average Democrat is a complete political dipshit with the memory of a concussed goldfish. On the other hand, goldfish can remember who feeds them and respond accordingly so...
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Feb 9, 2018 19:56
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I just called Pelosi's and Schumer's offices to let them know their lack of leadership on DACA was driving me away from voting in the midterms. Schumer's staffer sounded pretty disinterested. Pelosi's staffer's response: "But she voted against it.  "
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Feb 9, 2018 20:04
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B B posted:I just called Pelosi's and Schumer's offices to let them know their lack of leadership on DACA was driving me away from voting in the midterms. Schumer's staffer sounded pretty disinterested. Pelosi's staffer's response: "But she voted against it. For every one of you Schumer loses he's picking up two Republicans in the suburbs. 
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Feb 9, 2018 20:06
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Feldegast42 posted:Oh for Gods sake vote, and when you aren't voting then get involved in activism and clearing out the deadwood in the democratic party. Not voting changes nothing and perpetuates the current situation even more than voting for the dems don’t vote for quislings and collaborators
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Feb 9, 2018 20:14
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Office Pig posted:Actually mass deportations are good for the democrats. This whole thing makes me want to cry in frustration.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:15
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Radish posted:This whole thing makes me want to cry in frustration. its almost like capitalism inevitably devolves into fascism or something
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Feb 9, 2018 20:22
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Radish posted:I think most people agree that there is going to be some sort of swell in voter enthusiasm because Trump is just that obviously lovely but if they get a congressional majority in 2018 and then the Presidency in 2020 how does that help the Dreamers long term if they still aren't willing to break the filibuster for them?? The Dreamers will already be gone so there will be no need to do anything for them, and the Democrats will have already benefited politically from scenes on TV of white supremacist goons tearing families apart and shipping people who have lived here all their conscious lives to lands that are totally foreign to them where many of them will commit suicide, so job well done everyone!
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Feb 9, 2018 20:48
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VitalSigns posted:The Dreamers will already be gone so there will be no need to do anything for them, and the Democrats will have already benefited politically from scenes on TV of white supremacist goons tearing families apart and shipping people who have lived here all their conscious lives to lands that are totally foreign to them where many of them will commit suicide, so job well done everyone! Democrats are so politically inept they will gently caress up that messaging and then Trump says "you guys voted to let me do this" which Republicans are in favor of anyway.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:50
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If D&D liberals gave a loose poo poo about the Dreamers, they'd be clamoring to primary Joe Manchin for dicking them over when Dems had a supermajority and could pass a citizenship bill anytime they wanted because nothing will ever be done for the Dreamers as long as racist assholes like Manchin have a place in the party, but for some reason they're only concerned with shouting down his primary challenger who is the Dreamers' only hope if we ever get a supermajority again because she would help them instead of stabbing them in the back Hm it's almost like they don't care about Dreamers at all beyond using them as a tool to help their team beat the other team at team politics sports.
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VitalSigns posted:If D&D liberals gave a loose poo poo about the Dreamers, they'd be clamoring to primary Joe Manchin for dicking them over when Dems had a supermajority and could pass a citizenship bill anytime they wanted because nothing will ever be done for the Dreamers as long as racist assholes like Manchin have a place in the party, but for some reason they're only concerned with shouting down his primary challenger who is the Dreamers' only hope if we ever get a supermajority again because she would help them instead of stabbing them in the back the quislings have no desire to oust one of their own
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Radish posted:Democrats are so politically inept they will gently caress up that messaging and then Trump says "you guys voted to let me do this" which Republicans are in favor of anyway. Yeah this is a good point, in fact Trump has already tweeted "Dems won't do anything to help the Dreamers, no point voting for them" and it will work to depress the vote because it is 100% true and accurate. Also see: "black wealth got destroyed under the Democrats, so what have you got to lose"
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Feb 9, 2018 20:55
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VitalSigns posted:If D&D liberals gave a loose poo poo about the Dreamers, they'd be clamoring to primary Joe Manchin for dicking them over when Dems had a supermajority and could pass a citizenship bill anytime they wanted because nothing will ever be done for the Dreamers as long as racist assholes like Manchin have a place in the party, but for some reason they're only concerned with shouting down his primary challenger who is the Dreamers' only hope if we ever get a supermajority again because she would help them instead of stabbing them in the back They have recently shifted from "Manchin is a necessary evil we need in order to maintain control of the Senate which is required in order to gain majority power in the USA's broken political system" to "actually Manchin is good" which is loving poo poo.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:don’t vote for quislings and collaborators This. Your vote, even if done reluctantly, grants legitimacy to the agenda of the person you vote for. Don’t give that legitimacy to corporate hacks pushing Republican ideas.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:01
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Maybe we should focus on the R from WV before we try to oust the D. Just to be safe? I'm pretty ok with doing both but I'm gonna lol when Republicans end up with both seats. Radish posted:They have recently shifted from "Manchin is a necessary evil we need in order to maintain control of the Senate which is required in order to gain majority power in the USA's broken political system" to "actually Manchin is good" which is loving poo poo. He's bad, but poo poo have you seen the rest of his state?
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Nevvy Z posted:Maybe we should focus on the R from WV which one
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Nevvy Z posted:He's bad, but poo poo have you seen the rest of his state? I kind of don't care? If you are going to make the case he is a necessary evil (and one that is only really useful if we have exactly 51 Senate seats with him otherwise he's chaff) then fine but he's horrible trash we should be ashamed of needing not trying to clean up his rough edges while he wishes to vote against Dreamers.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I know this may come as a shock to some, but being to the right of D&D does not a Republican make. Though apparently being a centrist Democrat is just as bad these days. You're not a centrist Democrat tho, you're an irl fascist. I'm not even exaggerating, you don't believe in the 14th amendment's guarantee of equal rights, you defend government agents executing anyone they want for any reason they want, and in the unfortunate event that a suspect sees the inside of a courtroom instead of getting a bullet in the back you advocate manufacturing evidence in order to carry out a death sentence as quickly as possible and barring them from appealing based on new evidence of their innocence because reversing convictions of people who turn out not to be guilty would interfere with the goal of executing as many people as possible. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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VitalSigns posted:You're not a centrist Democrat tho, you're an irl fascist. tfr.txt
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https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/962034764315111424 The dem message on the latest budget deal is out!
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Radish posted:For every one of you Schumer loses he's picking up two Republicans in the suburbs. The hilarious thing about this line of thinking is that there's no such thing as a moderate republican anymore. The next republican could offer to lock up all minorities for no reason and 'moderate republicans' would still vote for him as long as his tax rate goes down by 1%. The fact that Democrats are still banking on this after Hillary failed spectacularly is amazing.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:35
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We don't need to get every suburban Republican. If we lock up just 50% of the minorities in America for no reason we'll get a big enough percentage of the Panera Bread lover vote to win a permanent governing majority. E: Okay 60% Okay 70% Okay 80% Okay 90% and that is a red line, we will whip for days to protect those last 10% of minorities Okay we're not going to whip on 100%, members will just vote how they vote and that's that VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/962034764315111424 I'm dead.  Edit: Dems: "Hey progressives, it'd be great if you voted for us." Progressives: "y tho? what you gonna do?" Dems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0 B B fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Feb 9, 2018 21:49
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if the republicans were setting up death camps the democrats would be meekly "resisting" while doing basically nothing of value and just being a rope holding decent americans from becoming actually left. lol that's literally what's happening at this very moment my dudes
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Never, ever, expect that Maryland and Virgina US Senators and Representatives will be for a shutdown. Northern Virginia and Central Maryland are effectively employed by the Federal government.
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Feb 9, 2018 22:23
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Centrist Dems are very flexible and open minded about whether or not Latinos are people or have rights.
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Sorus posted:Never, ever, expect that Maryland and Virgina US Senators and Representatives will be for a shutdown. Northern Virginia and Central Maryland are effectively employed by the Federal government. Rent-A-Cop posted:Centrist Dems are very flexible and open minded about whether or not Latinos are people or have rights. All sadly true. I know "voting for the lesser evil" sucks. I just think it's something you do alongside other things like getting involved with an alternative party or other like-minded people who are Democrats (if you can find them). I've been donating a decent amount to candidates I care about. They're not getting help from the DCCC. That's for sure.
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Brony Car posted:I know "voting for the lesser evil" sucks. STOP 👏 VOTING 👏 FOR 👏 QUISLINGS 👏
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Nevvy Z posted:He's bad, but poo poo have you seen the rest of his state? West Virginia was solidly Dem for many years, it broke open for the GOP in 2000 when the Dems converted to Clintonite neoliberalism.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:23
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:West Virginia was solidly Dem for many years, it broke open for the GOP in 2000 when the Dems converted to Clintonite neoliberalism. That had less to do with neoliberalism and a lot more to do with Al Gore's image as a notorious "tree hugger" who would crush coal beneath his solar powered tank treads. Coal has basically poisoned West Virginia beyond all rationality. Anything involved with turning West Virginia "blue" will involve ecological compromises that most regular posters here will balk at.
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I thought West Virginia had turned out nicely for Obama, way after Gore. I may be misremembering, though.
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Sephyr posted:I thought West Virginia had turned out nicely for Obama, way after Gore. I may be misremembering, though. You're misremembering. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...m=.38fb7f8cb3d5
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You can argue that voting for the lesser evil is the rational choice until you're blue in the face, human beings aren't rational actors dutifully executing the Nash local equilibrium strategy. If Democrats keep giving us right-wing economic policy but with an apologetic smiley face, I will vote for them forever because Republicans want to put me in a camp, and my vote will not matter because enough of the people Dems are grinding under the heel of capitalism and now racism will fail to show and Dems will lose.
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