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TNG episode, Culinary Culture A new species is horrified to learn that, upon first transporting on to the Enterprise, their biological and chemical makeup was scanned and recorded for the express purpose of being used as a food source, should they prove tasty. Can Picard explain to them that any clones manufactured in the transporter for the use as a food will not have a soul, and are therefore ok to eat?
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Feb 16, 2018 21:37
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Sisko's dad's restaurant is still the most infuriating thing for explaining anything about the supposed post-scarcity Federation.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:37
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WampaLord posted:Sisko's dad's restaurant is still the most infuriating thing for explaining anything about the supposed post-scarcity Federation. Some people work because they enjoy what they do, like cooking. Some people enjoy the atmosphere and experience of going to a nice restaurant.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:40
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It's not like you ever see anyone pay a bill there. The biggest question is how you get reservations.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:46
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Cythereal posted:Some people work because they enjoy what they do, like cooking. Some people enjoy the atmosphere and experience of going to a nice restaurant. Who's supplying the clams? Who enjoys being a waiter or a busboy? For no pay? How did he get that particular location? It opens up such a can of worms.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:48
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WampaLord posted:Sisko's dad's restaurant is still the most infuriating thing for explaining anything about the supposed post-scarcity Federation. One take is that there's just unlimited (or effectively unlimited) amounts of everything; basically real life is like a holodeck simulation if maybe with some lag and setup time for your personal pleasuredome. This is not really portrayed in any fiction but I think the intoxicating possibilities occur to many people, and it CAN happen in some kind of holodeck situation - as long as you have access to the holodeck. Another is that (by whatever means) there is an abundance of the necessities of life sufficient to remove economic stress from the lives of the people in the post-scarcity society. This situation seems to map closer to what we see in Trek; massive things like personal starships are rare (but not unknown) but people do not seem materially poor unless there was a breakdown in the technology. Owning and operating a restaurant makes sense to me because it would be a passion project in just about any case, just like real small restaurants in scenic locations often are. WampaLord posted:Who's supplying the clams? If the place isn't that big, he wouldn't necessarily need a staff. He might get a disciple or two, someone who's going to take the place over when he gets tired of it or dies. Location is a good question but also probably not dramatically interesting. Nessus fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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Feb 16, 2018 21:50
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WampaLord posted:Who's supplying the clams? 
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Feb 16, 2018 21:52
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WampaLord posted:Who's supplying the clams? Replicators? Or some sort of commune that gets extra reservations at the restaurant for them. Someone who wants to learn the trade - kids whose parents want them to do some work - interns - a way to get your foot in the door to "inherit" the restaurant Merit + Lottery or as above It's certainly not clear and it's definitely an interesting question but it's not like it breaks the world or anything.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:54
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The Bloop posted:It's certainly not clear and it's definitely an interesting question but it's not like it breaks the world or anything. It doesn't "break" the world but the more I think about it, the more questions I come up with. As for the clams being replicated, then why is Sisko cleaning them? Surely they could replicate cleaned clams. lmao
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Feb 16, 2018 21:56
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WampaLord posted:It doesn't "break" the world but the more I think about it, the more questions I come up with. To keep Ben out of trouble. When Ben isn't around Old Man Sisko just replicates a bucket of gumbo from his own proprietary recipe catalog.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:57
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WampaLord posted:It doesn't "break" the world but the more I think about it, the more questions I come up with. Alternately he replicated them in shell to make Ben clean them. Builds character.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:57
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This was a dumb idea that Voyager had and is ethically hosed up.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:00
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Nessus posted:Clearly that was a load of "the real thing." But Old Man Sisko could whip up a kilogram of chopped clams if the clammery got assimilated by the Borg or something. I'm still having a hard time thinking of someone running a clammery just for fun. Again, it just raises more questions. So Sisko Sr. shows up and asks for a bucketful of clams. What if they're out? Do people get priority or is it just first come first serve? Is there a limit or could one rear end in a top hat just show up and claim all the clams?
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Feb 16, 2018 22:03
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Grandpa Sisko seems like exactly the sort of person to walk across town to get a bucket of replicated dirty clams and then make his adult son clean them
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Feb 16, 2018 22:06
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WampaLord posted:I'm still having a hard time thinking of someone running a clammery just for fun. As for how they get it, they talk and perhaps they do a swap. The Federation seems to respect "personal" property in the sense of "this is my house, this is my violin," so presumably you could stun a clamjacker if he was being an rear end in a top hat. If there is no source of clam meat and Old Man Sisko doesn't want to replicate it, then he doesn't put clams on the menu that week.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:07
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Star Trek: In the federation, you can still stun a clamjacker
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Feb 16, 2018 22:09
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The clams are replicated by a hobbyist clam dirtier, who does his thing before sending them off
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Feb 16, 2018 22:10
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I like how throughout startrek no one has bothered researching what mines actually look like. In the writers minds its people with shovels and picks and mine carts. Ah but it's the future so they're uh laser picks or something, but they totally look and work like some little gold-rush wild west era mine. Even on DS9 their ore refinery was 99% manual labour and little mine carts.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:10
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cheetah7071 posted:The clams are replicated by a hobbyist clam dirtier, who does his thing before sending them off  This almost got me into trouble at work
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Feb 16, 2018 22:11
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Baronjutter posted:I like how throughout startrek no one has bothered researching what mines actually look like. In the writers minds its people with shovels and picks and mine carts. Ah but it's the future so they're uh laser picks or something, but they totally look and work like some little gold-rush wild west era mine. Even on DS9 their ore refinery was 99% manual labour and little mine carts.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:12
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Peachfart posted:This was a dumb idea that Voyager had and is ethically hosed up. eh idk, it's the logical conclusion of the can of worms TNG opened in The Big Goodbye when Dix's cop friend and Cyrus Redblock started getting all existential after finding out about their true nature. The only difference we can see between Moriarty and the guy who asked Picard "when you turn me off, what happens to my family" is that Moriarty had the power to make Picard bargain with him and Moriarty quite correctly noted that without that power the Enterprise crew would murder him without a second thought, although the show kindasorta tries to imply something magical happened with Moriarty that didn't happen other times, the only evidence we have of that is Troi being able to sense his emotions and that's not too reliable because Data is sentient but she can't sense him. After what we saw in The Big Goodbye, running simulations where you murder sentient beings that are simulated so perfectly they even react with existential angst to the thought of nonexistence is ethically indefensible already, Voyager just explored the logical consequences of that.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:15
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Baronjutter posted:Even on DS9 their ore refinery was 99% manual labour and little mine carts. The Cardassians designed it that way just to be assholes.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:16
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The Bloop posted:It could even make some of that months old rotten fish hákarl poo poo if you want to piss off everyone on your deck. A warrior's dish!
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Feb 16, 2018 22:17
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WHY BONER NOW posted:TNG episode, Culinary Culture I don't think that cannibalism is taboo because of souls, but because eating similar/the same species as yourself opens you up to diseases, both prion and microbiological.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:19
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After Captain Phillippa Georgiou joined the fleet, Starfleet quickly discovered all replicators had to be fitted with one of these signs
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Feb 16, 2018 22:19
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Can someone explain the reference here? I refuse to watch Voyager unless it's the only thing on TV. The bits I've seen have been unmemorable and bad. I will probably give ENT a chance, after I get through all the movies and STD, if only because y'all say it gets good eventually. e: the doctor seems like a cool character tho 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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Feb 16, 2018 22:19
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The more you think about sentient beings on the Holodeck(or photonic beings in general), the more hosed up it gets.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:19
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mycomancy posted:I don't think that cannibalism is taboo because of souls, but because eating similar/the same species as yourself opens you up to diseases, both prion and microbiological. Also I think this was the plot of a Niven story in the Draco Tavern series. The punchline was something like "Ten million aliens had me for dinner tonight. The UN made about fifty cents in royalties each."
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Feb 16, 2018 22:20
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Can someone explain the reference here? I refuse to watch Voyager unless it's the only thing on TV. The bits I've seen have been unmemorable and bad. I will probably give ENT a chance, after I get through all the movies and STD, if only because y'all say it gets good eventually. When they made a new model of Emergency Medical Hologram, they took the old ones (like VOY's Doctor) and put them to work in a mine. Photonic Slavery!
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Feb 16, 2018 22:22
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I imagine in the post-scarcity society of the Federation, there are some people who just seek a wide variety of experiences, so they just go around doing short stints at various low-skill jobs just for the hell of it.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:22
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The Bloop posted:When they made a new model of Emergency Medical Hologram, they took the old ones (like VOY's Doctor) and put them to work in a mine. Um what the gently caress
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Feb 16, 2018 22:23
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Nessus posted:The Aztecs had a large and sophisticated culture - in some ways superior to Europe - and still had occasional cannibalism for ritual purposes. This is kind of a just-so story. Yep, that was the Glig. gently caress me the Draco Tavern stories are good.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:23
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Can someone explain the reference here? I refuse to watch Voyager unless it's the only thing on TV. The bits I've seen have been unmemorable and bad. I will probably give ENT a chance, after I get through all the movies and STD, if only because y'all say it gets good eventually. Once the Federation released the Emergency Medical Hologram Mark II: Andy Dick Harder, the Mark 1 (the Robert Picardo version) was reprogrammed to mine dilithium because apparently a computer that can use tractor beams and forcefields to manipulate tools and equipment also needs to project an image of a human doing it and also has to like to sing, watch holo-movies, and chase skirts.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:24
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The Bloop posted:When they made a new model of Emergency Medical Hologram, they took the old ones (like VOY's Doctor) and put them to work in a mine. that doesn't even make sense like why does the model being retired have anything to do with turning on the holo-miner program why would you even want human-shaped, sentient miners
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Feb 16, 2018 22:24
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Um what the gently caress Y O Y A G E R
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Feb 16, 2018 22:24
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Pakled posted:I imagine in the post-scarcity society of the Federation, there are some people who just seek a wide variety of experiences, so they just go around doing short stints at various low-skill jobs just for the hell of it. As someone who's actually done a lot of short stints at various low-skill jobs, it is not fun or enlightening or whatever noble thought you think it is, it just sucks rear end. It would still suck rear end even if I knew I wasn't doing it for the money.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:25
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VitalSigns posted:After Captain Phillippa Georgiou joined the fleet, Starfleet quickly discovered all replicators had to be fitted with one of these signs gently caress that, I don't want to live in that future.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:26
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This month, I'm going to work at Waste Extraction. Next month, shoveling walks. Someday my resume will allow me to get the job I really want. Assistant Shift Manager at the Replimat
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Feb 16, 2018 22:27
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cheetah7071 posted:that doesn't even make sense People really hated the EMH Mk1. So it was decided they should suffer.
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Feb 16, 2018 22:27
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Peachfart posted:People really hated the EMH Mk1. So it was decided they should suffer. Yeah, they do poo poo like this:
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Feb 16, 2018 22:29
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