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Sakurazuka posted:Honestly with the music turned to the original I'm kind of still enjoying it, it seems way easier though but I dunno if that's just because I'm not 14 any more. It's absolutely easier in certain respects and harder in a couple others. Mostly it's just your party members actually wait until you make the first strike to attack so you can really stun lock the poo poo out of enemies. But then like that one reviewer said letting Chobin Hoods aim in all directions is a loving nightmare. In one attempt on that forest I was dead and being booted to the title screen in the span of a blink of my eyes (I literally did not see myself die). Granted I went in there early without having bought any armor yet. Phantasium fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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Feb 16, 2018 22:33
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Yeah Chobin Hood forest was pretty awful but my only character death so far was to a polterchair deciding my Sprite wasn't long for this world when he still hadn't caught up in levels. Spikey Tiger was a pushover though which saddened me because I remember him being the roughest boss in the game.
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OneDeadman posted:I'm glad the Evergrace composer returned for Secret of Mana's ost Oddly enough that's the same guy who does the kickass music for the Armored Core games. He just sucks balls at anything but techno.
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Sakurazuka posted:Yeah Chobin Hood forest was pretty awful but my only character death so far was to a polterchair deciding my Sprite wasn't long for this world when he still hadn't caught up in levels. Spikey Tiger was a pushover though which saddened me because I remember him being the roughest boss in the game. Spikey Tiger was what broke the game for me when it first came out because I refused to grind just a little. But he is an rear end in a top hat who never misses his bounce, which will likely hit everyone and stun them as well, you really only have candy to heal and don't have a heal-all yet. It seems in the remake you can dodge his attacks but they balanced this by not being able to attack him when he's throwing fireballs from the towers. I'm the weirdo who likes the Dreamcast graphics but the bosses exploding looks hilariously bad.
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You can still attack him on the towers, just gotta use the bow.
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You can attack him from the towers, equip the bow and boomerang. edit: beaten faster than Spikey Tiger
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Endorph posted:Shadow Hearts is incredible and it definitely has horror elements, really monstrous designs, lots of cthulhu nods, some real dark moments, but keep in mind that it pairs its horror with pretty broad comedy. Yuri's a real goof of a protagonist, even if he's also a pretty sympathetic character. SH1 only really goes to the comedy well a few times, and mostly in side characters, but Shadow Hearts 2 is pretty goofy even if it's also a really well written game with some legitimately great character building. Shadow Hearts is my favorite JRPG series by far. Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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Endorph posted:also theres some gay jokes but Persona 5, so. and SH2 just has a legitimately gay party member (as in just says "i'm gay" when a woman starts hitting on him) whos a really goofy superhero pastiche but is also the most legitimately heroic of the main characters and probably the third or fourth most well-developed of the party members. I think the big difference is that the gay jokes in Shadow Hearts don't really feel very mean-spirited. Yes, two prominent gay NPCs are flaming stereotypes but the game's pretty camp with them instead of, you know, implying they might rape someone and no one judges them for how they are outside of a little bit of awkward flirting.
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Feb 16, 2018 23:26
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The Colonel posted:the weapons upgrade guy in shadow hearts 1 is the weirdest one
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Sakurazuka posted:Holy poo poo how did I not notice how much the magic system sucks rear end though. Yeah its awful. I don't know why square made a real time battle system and then stuck a final fantasy style magic system on top of it 
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Endorph posted:Shadow Hearts is incredible and it definitely has horror elements, really monstrous designs, lots of cthulhu nods, some real dark moments, but keep in mind that it pairs its horror with pretty broad comedy. Yuri's a real goof of a protagonist, even if he's also a pretty sympathetic character. SH1 only really goes to the comedy well a few times, and mostly in side characters, but Shadow Hearts 2 is pretty goofy even if it's also a really well written game with some legitimately great character building. King of Solomon posted:Shadow Hearts is incredible, it's one of my favorite RPGs to this day. Cool cool. Really excited to start it once I finish Persona 5 which I am at the latter stages of.
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Wait wait wait how the gently caress did I not know CS2 was out on PC this thread has failed me
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babypolis posted:Wait wait wait how the gently caress did I not know CS2 was out on PC ive been playing it. its real good. rean good.
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Feb 17, 2018 08:05
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We all post about it in the secret RPG thread.
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Don't play the remake of Secret of Mana ty and god bless.
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Accordion Man posted:Yeah, he is nothing but a "Gays are creepy rapists, lol" punch line. It mostly gets better with Covenant. Mokinokaro posted:I think the big difference is that the gay jokes in Shadow Hearts don't really feel very mean-spirited. Yes, two prominent gay NPCs are flaming stereotypes but the game's pretty camp with them instead of, you know, implying they might rape someone and no one judges them for how they are outside of a little bit of awkward flirting.
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the best party member in covenant is the dog btw
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Endorph posted:the best party member in covenant is the dog btw
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some guy on the bus posted:Hey, you guys want to hear some great new Secret of Mana tunes? This one has actually kind of grown on me, but yeah, most of it is all over the place; in quality AND composition. Being able to switch to the original music is great, but things like missing cannon animations and kind of janky gameplay compared to the original is turning me off on it. I was really looking forward to it too. Oh, see this one is good(ish): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykAi_Z4hE4 The sound levels are hosed between the instruments but that might just be youtube.
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Missing Cannon Animations, Bad AI (less options than the SNES version wtf?), crashes, animation lockup where you start sliding and can't do anything until screen transitions.
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Plek posted:This one has actually kind of grown on me, but yeah, most of it is all over the place; in quality AND composition. Being able to switch to the original music is great, but things like missing cannon animations and kind of janky gameplay compared to the original is turning me off on it. I was really looking forward to it too. Yeah, and the gameplay is the most strange part of this train wreck. If you look at the flow of the original and then at the remake, the latter one looks like every character is stumbling around drunk. I don't know if it's the new graphics making everything look worse, or if they somehow hosed up real bad with AI-programming. 
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I dunno if you've played the original recently but it's literally impossible to get any worse than the AI in that
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why are they so bad at making remakes
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Adventures of Mana was a good remake. They even improved the music a lot. I don't know what happened here.
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Sakurazuka posted:I dunno if you've played the original recently but it's literally impossible to get any worse than the AI in that That's a matter of some debate. I happen to believe the remake is poo poo, and I've been playing the original on and off again for literally decades now.
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Sorry I was gonna reply but I got stuck behind a small flower
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Sakurazuka posted:Sorry I was gonna reply but I got stuck behind a small flower Well, stop playing the remake then 
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Sakurazuka posted:I dunno if you've played the original recently but it's literally impossible to get any worse than the AI in that Yeah I have no idea what people are talking about. You have less options but they all work as opposed to none of the, what, 16 original options working. You also aren't a slave to them getting stuck, since the screen isn't locked to where they are. The AI is so good that if you tell them to attack targets other than yours they'll attack in spots where enemies are going to spawn but haven't yet. They also wait until you start attacking so that you can basically stunlock anything as long as its alone. Phantasium fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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this brings me strong optimistic feelings about the ffvii remake
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Tired Moritz posted:this brings me strong optimistic feelings about the ffvii remake hrm yes these two things are definitely comparable productions
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ff7 remake: 10 billion dollars secret of mana remake: half a pack of rolos ff7: was actually a good game secret of mana: well,
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Endorph posted:ff7 remake: 10 billion dollars True
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it's always fun to see how people are with regards to the gap between the game they remember and the game they actually played
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They cut the cannon animation in the remake so loving gently caress new secret of mana
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So the Secret of Mana remake is basically poorly optimized or are people mostly upset at the loss of the sprite art and SNES sound chip? Either could still be a dealbreaker for me too, but I didn't really play the original and so I wonder if I'd be as put off by the changes as others who have that nostalgia. Will the FF7 remake even actually happen?
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some guy on the bus posted:Hey, you guys want to hear some great new Secret of Mana tunes? Amazing. It sounds like they reproduced the original theme in five distinct musical styles including dubstep and then couldn't decide on one, so they mashed them all together. e: I really didn't like the visuals on early screenshots but actually I'm enjoying it a lot. Playing with old music and without minimap, of course. No bugs or crashes yet (just defeated the first Killroy). What I like about the visuals are the character and monster designs, mostly, although some boss designs seem super lazy. Also the different weapon designs are cool. The menu system is annoying in the remake, but magic hotkeys are a very nice addition. Combat feels even easier now because of the removed iframes, companion AI is quite competent at keeping everything stunlocked. Bosses are also way easier so far. sicDaniel fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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