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I don't even resent the fat fucker. He can't finish his life's work, the series that made him famous and will be beaten to it by a lovely TV show. That's punishment enough. gently caress his apologists with rusty barbed wire though.
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To be honest, I'd probably quit reading then and there if he has Brienne kill Stannis like in the show. The Mannis going out because Brienne can't get over a dude who never even banged her is no bueno. Fortunately, I can quit reading here and now, as he will never finish that book.
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Feb 17, 2018 17:28
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Stannis doing something cool is certainly one of the few things I'm looking forward to in my feverish deathbed winds of winter hallucination.
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Feb 17, 2018 19:09
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What? Killing his daughter isn't cool now? I loved watching the show punish Stannis the mannis fans
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syscall girl posted:What? Killing his daughter isn't cool now?  I never got the obsessive love for Stannis that a lot of people developed. Especially when all the signs in the books around him all but explicitly scream that this isn't the guy you should be rooting for. Dying a miserable and inglorious death is the perfect end for Stannis Baratheon, a miserable and inglorious man to his core.
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Feb 17, 2018 20:46
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Im pretty sure he was to kill his daughter in the books, only probably with a bit more context and motivation
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Woodpile posted:Martin once said he likes to write the kind of books he wants to read. If George doesn't want to read TWOW why should we?
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In a world full of people making dumb ducking decisions left and right and constantly backstabbing, someone with solid yet flawed ideals is easy to grow attached to. His motivations make sense to a lot of people and don’t seem outright evil. Plus rooting for Jon all the time is gay as gently caress.
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Kit Harrington isn't an ugly guy but the way some girls make him out to be a sex symbol puzzles me.
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I'm straight and still Kit Harrington could get it forreal.
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TK-42-1 posted:In a world full of people making dumb ducking decisions left and right and constantly backstabbing, someone with solid yet flawed ideals is easy to grow attached to. His motivations make sense to a lot of people and don’t seem outright evil. This. Stannis grew up in thew shadow of an idealized older brother as much as Renly, but unlike Renly he did his part well and honorably and mostly got shat on for it. He has to do dodgy, questionable things to stake his claim, as everyone in the setting, his motivation is rather selfless (he truly does not want to be king and even passes Storm's end, the one prize he actually wants, because it would not be legal) at least he shows distaste about it AND doesn't waffle and moan like Dany/Jon. He's dealing with a poo poo situation with the tool he has. That, and he's a socially incompetent sperglord who means to drain the Westeros swamp, so you can see why he'd be popular with -some- types. Never mind that he basically -had- a border Walla but let the immigrants in!
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mind the walrus posted:Kit Harrington isn't an ugly guy but the way some girls make him out to be a sex symbol puzzles me. Manlets are in now?
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mind the walrus posted:Kit Harrington isn't an ugly guy but the way some girls make him out to be a sex symbol puzzles me. He's sexy. He's in ok shape and he has a pretty face, and he seems like a nice person who'd listen to you talk about your dreams from last night.
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Kit is a handsome dude if you can get over the fact he’s like 5’3”.
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Sephyr posted:This. Stannis grew up in thew shadow of an idealized older brother as much as Renly, but unlike Renly he did his part well and honorably and mostly got shat on for it. He has to do dodgy, questionable things to stake his claim, as everyone in the setting, his motivation is rather selfless (he truly does not want to be king and even passes Storm's end, the one prize he actually wants, because it would not be legal) at least he shows distaste about it AND doesn't waffle and moan like Dany/Jon. He's dealing with a poo poo situation with the tool he has. Stannis is Westeros' Bernie Sanders
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TK-42-1 posted:Kit is a handsome dude if you can get over the fact he’s like 5’3”. As a 6'4" lady, I can safely say that everybody looks 5'3" to me.
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:gently caress his apologists with rusty barbed wire though. hey, grrm is not our bitch, you know
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The first thing that I always remember about book Stannis is how he banned laughing that one time. He's so inflexible he wouldn't last a week as king until there was a full scale rebellion.
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Renly Baratheon fêtes his yet-unwon battles, surrounding himself with lickspittles and sycophants. Stannis Baratheon has proven his mettle in battle and routinely immolates those who contribute nothing but empty platitudes. Baratheon/Onion 2016: Make Westeros Mirthless Again
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cis autodrag posted:As a 6'4" lady, I can safely say that everybody looks 5'3" to me. Oh poo poo whatup, you wanna go somewhere quiet and talk about ridiculous Twin Peaks fans and Shangela being a void of all things good? I write a pretty good porn parody, if that helps.
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Kuiperdolin posted:
Gold Jerry, Gold!
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SaviourX posted:Oh poo poo whatup, you wanna go somewhere quiet and talk about ridiculous Twin Peaks fans and Shangela being a void of all things good? I write a pretty good porn parody, if that helps. What do you have against Ms Hallelu?
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TK-42-1 posted:In a world full of people making dumb ducking decisions left and right and constantly backstabbing, someone with solid yet flawed ideals is easy to grow attached to. His motivations make sense to a lot of people and don’t seem outright evil. It's for this that I like him. I totally buy his flaws, he's his own worst enemy, and sticks to his true principles even when it's hard. He went to the wall for the same reason he couldn't suffer renly even brief victory. I hated show stannis - he's just all villain. He didn't die because he stubbornly stuck to his principles - instead he continued along the obvious dark path set out for him then committed suicide by charge. They effectively undid his tragic flaw by making it not what he succumbed to.
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I guess it sort of doesn't make sense that he'd fall for Melisandre's poo poo. Did she get to his wife first?
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Well, she made a shadow monster that won him a huge victory, that's a lot to "fall" for. Yeah, she fucks up sometimes, but she absolutely proved she can do magic. Lycus fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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I sorta meant before that - she definitely proved her worth but he was burning people on her behalf before she did much of anything.
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This discussion has convinced me that Stannis would’ve been the best Lord Commander of all time
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I struggle to think of a role he'd truly excel at - not sure what gave him the strength to give the okay on letting the wildlings through but it was probably desperately leading an army. Were he a comfortable lord commander instead, he might have just let them die - I think he was acting out of pragmatism not principles there. He'd probably have been a good kingsguard type though he might have ironically defended aerys to the death and let the city burn while jaime had the strength to do the right thing. I think he should have been a maester - he certainly didn't seem to much care for being a husband or father, he could have applied his rigidness to proper medical practice or rigorous research or whatever the hell maesters do but there's not much leeway in condemning thousands to death because it feels right. Again this is all why I think he's interesting and I'm sad he failed early and is dead. There's no such nuance to jon or dany or really anyone left save for jaime - I don't have anything to say about them except "obvious hero archetypes". Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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Feb 18, 2018 10:37
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Subordinate Small Council position was probably perfect for him.
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also man, I'm bookposting in 2018 - the book that was promised has truly infected my brain
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I sorta meant before that - she definitely proved her worth but he was burning people on her behalf before she did much of anything. Pffft, I'd burn people alive if this woman told me I was special too. 
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Lycus posted:Well, she made a shadow monster that won him a huge victory, that's a lot to "fall" for. poo poo, from all we've been shown R'lorr IS the only true religion. The Seven have never changed a dry fart into a wet one in the setting, but the red god has people raising the dead, summoning shadow devils, seeing the future, cloaking people under illusions...
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Sephyr posted:poo poo, from all we've been shown R'lorr IS the only true religion. The Seven have never changed a dry fart into a wet one in the setting, but the red god has people raising the dead, summoning shadow devils, seeing the future, cloaking people under illusions... Also, Mel is about the only person who from the beginning knows and believes that the apocalypse is near and the world need to be saved from it, and everything else, all the wars and figthing, is just pointless She might have some pretty hosed up methods but always had the right ends on mind Mel is the real hero of this loving story
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cis autodrag posted:What do you have against Ms Hallelu? On the telly? The persona/character is okay, I guess. But the over-compensating (I made my own catchphrase!) fame whore dramatics are lame.
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Sephyr posted:poo poo, from all we've been shown R'lorr IS the only true religion. The Seven have never changed a dry fart into a wet one in the setting, but the red god has people raising the dead, summoning shadow devils, seeing the future, cloaking people under illusions... the northern gods are real and behind every dream vision and prophecy
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Sephyr posted:poo poo, from all we've been shown R'lorr IS the only true religion. The Seven have never changed a dry fart into a wet one in the setting, but the red god has people raising the dead, summoning shadow devils, seeing the future, cloaking people under illusions... The Mother sent a ship to save Davos, bro.
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The Book Stannis is the only person who's actually realised that leading the country means you need to actually support its people, rather than just exploit and kill them. He's also ordered his army to place Shireen on the throne if he dies so his motivations are kinda removed from those given in the show so far (This might be in the TWOW preview chapter rather than in ADWD, I forget). If, in the likely event that Shireen is killed in the same way in the books, I can't see the book Stannis being the one to command it or to be okay with it. He's not exactly pious and isn't especially into the burnings in the book either, it's his wife who's the zealous one. Even in the context of having his brother murdered, that one death prevented the deaths of how many loyal Baratheon soldiers on each side? Basically, he's one of the few people in the series trying to do the right thing and he's not especially good at it but gently caress, he's trying. The only other person who's similar in that way is Jaime, who is also strangely likeable despite everything he's done albeit it's more obvious why. ('cos Jaime's charismatic as gently caress) The show version wasn't the same character in basically every way. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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Yeah, Book Shireen being burned smacks of Selyse and/or Melisandre going rogue and frying her in the hope that her blood would give Stannis the key to victory, only to be the thing that ends of breaking him as a character and leading to his death to clear the way for Jon and Dany to take over the war against Cersei and the Night King ala the show. So yeah, the show really did cock up in that regard.
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Stannis will probably burn Shireen when the wall has fallen and Winterfell is surrounded by white walkers with no hope left besides sacrificing kings blood to wake a dragon. He'll do it and it'll fail and he'll die tragically because he isn't azor ahai. Which is to say he'll never burn Shireen because the next book is never coming out.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, Book Shireen being burned smacks of Selyse and/or Melisandre going rogue and frying her in the hope that her blood would give Stannis the key to victory, only to be the thing that ends of breaking him as a character and leading to his death to clear the way for Jon and Dany to take over the war against Cersei and the Night King ala the show. You're putting the cart before the horse saying that before GRRM publishes it. E: of course, it'll never be published, so I guess you can fanfic whatever you want. Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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