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I have the Reaper Bones dragon with rider for that, and it's a pretty similar size to the old Mantic one, fits on the 50 square easily I don't like the big centrepiece style gaming people want to import from Warhammer says the guy with a tall masted pirate ship strapped to the back of a massive rhino camel
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My main worry about the 50mm vs 75mm base size is that, if they do have rules that separate the two, I don't want the larger base size to be clearly and overwhelmingly better than the 50mm. If the 75mm is just an optional upgrade for X amount of points (with some +/- to stats and/or rules to make it less of a no-brainer) I'd be okay with that. It's been bandied around before as an idea, and I'd rather that the two base sizes become viable and not a return to WHFB's nonsense non-options. Ideally I'd rather see the 75mm reserved for special units, like Living Legends, but we all know that's not going to happen.
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The Bloop posted:I could only find him on a 40
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Captain Invictus posted:I love that stupid piece of garbage We all do.
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In oversized centerpiece news, my solid metal Prince Imrik arrived and it owns. I'm going to spend most of tonight gap filling.
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- No, I'm not still on the RC. I left after Internet Trolls came after me personally both physically in person and intruding into my personal life online. - I'm still close to the RC and they often ask me my opinion on things, as does Mantic. - I'm open to doing contract work for Mantic, real life permitting, such as the Battlefield Cards that just came out. - Dorfs getting a lot of buffs was mostly because the community - Counter-charge guys are in the playtest group but I don't remember seeing them submit any battle reps or particularly providing feedback or influence. - Mantic wants to sell a lot of Steel Behemoths. - I'm pretty sure the plans are still to do separate 75mm and 50mm monsters. In terms of drawbacks, the 75mm base is a big loving drawback, especially for flying units*. I was planning to pitch Mantic a Kings of War: Apocalypse supplement to be released alongside their new monsters in June, but hey. Real life. No way I can write that in 3 months now. - And also because Mantics editing is atrocious. I can't decide whether I'm glad that they picked on this from the print-proof copy I got, or sad that I didn't get to see the resulting drama if this had actually gone to print:  - Not only do you have to fight against Mantics timescales ("Hey guys, here's the first draft of the book. It goes to print in 3 hours."**), editors that don't make 50% of the changes that you submit, but I've also found out since the release of my cards that the editors like to add stuff to your rules without telling you. - Still annoyed that Abyssals, one of their best selling ranges, didn't get any new units. Even with the daft "Mantic must already produce a model" rule, you could easily put something together such as Moloch heroes. * Funny story time. I pitched the 50 & 75mm base sizes thing to Mantic because you don't see Mantics monsters on the table. Because 75mm is a big loving deal. One of Mantics guys proclaimed that they hadn't lost a single sale because models were on 75's. He didn't respond when I asked him where he got that information from. ** Seriously not kidding or exaggerating.
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Well, you did say they wanted to sell a lot of steel behemoths... Daedleh, while you're here, can you comment on why Herja couldn't have been toned down rather than removed? Still pretty salty about this, and I think it bodes poorly for her chances to make it into KoW 3.
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Daedleh posted:- No, I'm not still on the RC. I left after Internet Trolls came after me personally both physically in person and intruding into my personal life online. That's loving awful.
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Lots of great information in there, if entirely predictable and depressing. Mechanically, 75mm monsters don't bother me so much. My complaints with them are almost entirely practical. If they were introduced to fit into an "Apocalypse" scale game, played on larger tables, that would actually make a ton of sense. But this seems like an issue that Mantic created for itself by making oversized monsters in the first place. I remember when Fat Dragon was originally revealed and everyone laughed and said, "Yeah not going to be paying for that." It actually looks fine as an Abyssal Dwarf unit, but trying to get double-duty out of the body was a bad call. But now they've gone and made a unit entry for Fat Dragon that's on a massive base and is terrible at being a flier. I still have zero interest in purchasing that model or swapping bases on one of the dragons I already own. But now a big wrench has been thrown into the gears of what was a pretty decent game. Good job, Mantic. That Golloch's Fury entry is hilarious. In trying to fix the Range, they still hosed up and couldn't get it right. I'd have about died laughing if the Nerve value had gone into print though. In my opinion, the fans have too much influence on how the game develops. Without someone willing to stand up to literal harassment, my guess is that the RC will cave every time someone gets aggressive enough. Mantic should have continued to let fans influence campaign results and what new armies were added but drawn a hard line on altering mechanics because some whiners weren't happy. They could have pointed to tournament results and said, "The RC will look at these official results and talk with tournament organizers for rebalancing," to placate them without having to actually listen to them. I guess I'm just going to be that weirdo playing vanilla Kings of War until someone releases another mass battle fantasy game with multibasing.
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I haven't been paying attention to Vanguard. Should I get the dwarf army addon or no?Atlas Hugged posted:Mechanically, 75mm monsters don't bother me so much. My complaints with them are almost entirely practical. If they were introduced to fit into an "Apocalypse" scale game, played on larger tables, that would actually make a ton of sense. But this seems like an issue that Mantic created for itself by making oversized monsters in the first place. .
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Spiderdrake posted:I haven't been paying attention to Vanguard. Should I get the dwarf army addon or no? You're right of course, but it's not specifically the adding of new base sizes or unit classes that's the problem. It's that it's a monster and that adds additional problems as you've outlined.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I guess I'm just going to be that weirdo playing vanilla Kings of War until someone releases another mass battle fantasy game with multibasing.  vanilla buddy. I'd consider moving, but Seattle is pretty close to a paradise if you're a software developer like me.That said, I will end up using some of my larger dumb GW models as the new 75mm bad fliers (seriously, they don't even get a speed bump?); I have a GW elf dragon that is at least 100mm long and Arkhan on ghost horse to use.
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It has a speed reduction from what I can tell. Good luck with the mini you. It gets easier when they start talking. It also gets a hell of a lot harder.
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Atlas Hugged posted:That Golloch's Fury entry is hilarious. In trying to fix the Range, they still hosed up and couldn't get it right. I'd have about died laughing if the Nerve value had gone into print though. Didn't you notice the Def value?
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Oh that's amazing.
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Don't forget you need at least 2 $50 models to field that unit... Edit: Re: mini-me, thanks Atlas Shrugged. It's been okay so far because all she does is eat, sleep and poop. It's harder for my wife because she refuses to wake me up during the night to help out... drgnvale fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Feb 14, 2018 08:02
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It also has no RA so it cannot shoot its big gun.
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Feb 14, 2018 08:10
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drgnvale posted:Don't forget you need at least 2 $50 models to field that unit... Where does it say you have to field two others? As far as I knew, it was just a new unit that could be taken with the standard restrictions for monsters and legendary characters. There is a formation, but I think that's separate to the unit entry itself. MasterSlowPoke posted:It also has no RA so it cannot shoot its big gun. They fixed that in print, but made it a static number and omitted the +. Excellent work, Mantic.
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It is a testament to how much undeserved credit I give Mantic that I missed that many errors. Looking a bit closer, there are still other mistakes. The speed is wrong. The number of attacks is wrong. The melee value is wrong. It's amazing just how badly they hosed that up. I can only imagine some dude in the Mantic office thinking, "Oh, we did a ton of editing on that Golloch's Fury unit. That'd be a safe one to slap on the blog as an example of a new unit!" And it still ended up there with an error. Boggles the mind.
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I'll clarify that the RC did look at tournament results for what to rebalance as well and Dwarfs were towards the bottom of the list, but the amount of changes came from the community feedback. Sometimes the community feedback takes precedence over common sense. Tortured Souls for example aren't too out of whack. A bit too good for their points, but nowhere near the line of "must get nerfed", however because the community considers them broken, the RC had to do something...drgnvale posted:Well, you did say they wanted to sell a lot of steel behemoths... This was entirely Mantics decision. I do not know what the plans are for her in V3, but I personally wouldn't hold my breath.
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The community is poo poo. I’m sorry you were treated so poorly by such antisocial folks, and I’m sorry they are loving up such a good game. I’m not holding my breath on KoW3 at all at this point. It’s funny that as mantic finally seems to get their act together on customer service, they start to lose it in rules.
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All communities are poo poo, as an unemployed community manager I can attest to this. Also please don't quit/muck up, KoW is the only game I've ever really played and I like it  Also also, Giant with alternate head and weapon from the sprue  and with the resin frost head and weapon 
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I'm sure third ed will be fine. Mantic just need a middle person in charge of the game who is a clear overall games designer with a specific vision for the game. Someone who'll say no to the sales department when they go too far and someone who'll say no to the RC/Community when they're being daft. Originally that was supposed to be Alessio but... yeah. The RC team works well for maintaining the game, but they all have different visions of where it should go and what is and isn't acceptable power creep. I should also clarify that "coming after me" sounds stronger than it was but it made me think that the minor aggression could turn much worse and I didn't want to have to explain to work why "I" had apparently been posting MLP porn online.
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It doesn't help that the community has a contingent of 9th Age "designers" and people who want their favorite WHFB rules reimplemented.
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I haven't played much in the way of Kings of War recently anyway. My main opponent is a bit of a grog and we don't really see eye to eye on things like game design. He wants games to more accurately reflect the realities of a battle and I want games to be fun to play as games. We'd been playing Kings of War as the easiest way to get all of our models on the table, but he recently moved out of the city. The other guy I played with regularly hosed off to Europe a year ago and the other players just aren't that reliable. If I don't want to play 40k, the only game I can regularly get people to play is Deadzone because of how accessible it is. moths posted:It doesn't help that the community has a contingent of 9th Age "designers" and people who want their favorite WHFB rules reimplemented. I thought 9th Age had a decently large following. Can't they just go have their own terrible game to play? Or has 9th Age diverged so much from WHFB at this point so that it can be its own IP that they no longer feel like it's the game they want it to be? NTRabbit You can always be unemployed in Bangkok and we can play Kings of War all day every day. Don't be unemployed in Bangkok. I've seen people try and it's loving misery/
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Working on a ride right now!NTRabbit posted:I, NTRabbit, oath to paint for the rloomnaenlteiyc month of February 
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The Reaper Iron Golem is a big boy, but I wondered how big. Could it be a good stand-in for Obsidian Golems? Turns out, they are.  The golem and a Mantic obsidian golem standing side by side for height comparison. The iron golem is clearly taller, and its shoulder span is about the same as the OG. The OG is more dynamic in its posing, however, and has a more hulking silhouette.  Both of them are standing on a 50mmx150mm regiment base. I didn't clip the molded base off the iron golem yet, so it looks like he takes up more room than he actually does.  Dwarf shown to illustrate the height difference. Big stompy monsters are big and stompy.  Iron golem unassembled. It would not be difficult at all to re-position the arms or torso, and the head could be replaced with just about anything. The legs are more of a problem however, and you'd need to either cut or reshape them if you wanted them to be doing anything other than standing. You could also put weapons in the golem's clenched fists, if you so desire (and which I'll probably do). Overall, I think the iron golem wins out. At $5 a pop, you can get a horde of 6 of these guys for the cost of 3 obsidian golems from Mantic. The static pose of the iron golem is an issue, yes, but the Mantic OG's come with two identical bodies in a box so it's kind of a wash either way.
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I'd say go ahead and use the reaper ones. I would've if I hadn't already built two hordes
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Not a viking posted:I'd say go ahead and use the reaper ones. I would've if I hadn't already built two hordes Oh I fully plan to. I already bought 6 of the iron golems, so with any luck I'll have a horde up and running in the near future. Slimnoid fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Finished two hordes of forest shamblers for my (wood) elf army.   Models from Raging heroes
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Nice, I like the varying bark colours. Is that last standing over a blue birb? 
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Feb 18, 2018 17:37
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It's one of the little faerie spirits that came with the WHFB Dryad kit.
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Not a viking posted:Finished two hordes of forest shamblers for my (wood) elf army. I love those! Maybe give the owl a bit more detail.
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Not a viking posted:Finished two hordes of forest shamblers for my (wood) elf army. There are fantastic. Gonna have to buy me some of those models now. Edit: Just in case anyone else is drgnvale fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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mike12345 posted:I love those! Maybe give the owl a bit more detail. I had a hard time making it visible, and I don't feel the blue dots is the answer. They've been 12 with a discount since I bought them years ago
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Not a viking posted:I had a hard time making it visible, and I don't feel the blue dots is the answer.
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While my new child slept, I was busy cutting and painting. Here's an Apaphys, Champion of Death: This has been such a hateful model to work with... all of the painting in sub-assemblies was a pain, and when I realized I should have done something different with the ghost skulls it was really too late to do anything about it. The highlighting on the cape doesn't show at all and I'll probably never go back to fix it. I'm glad it's over. Also worth noting that this model is fragile as gently caress. I broke him multiple times during assembly, and I have no loving idea how I would transport it other than a ton of magnets and a tablewar case. Thankfully I have no plans on ever playing CoK '18, and the normal revenant on wyrm doesn't usually make it into any of my lists, so he mostly serves as an object lesson in buying GW models.
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Orc/Goblin Slasher concept art It got as far as the third comment before they were accused of ripping off GW 
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