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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

twoday posted:

(Note that EU liscenses wont work in the UK either)

considering everyone drives on the wrong side of the road there, that's probably for the best tbh

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Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
How will brexit affect my eurotruck relaxation post exit :ohdear:

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

UrbicaMortis posted:

Pretty much. Plus no uk planes could legally land on the continent and a million other problems. We've been intertwined for so long that it's a complete clusterfuck to untangle.

Wouldn't that be, like, incredibly disastrous for the UK? Even if it's just for a day, wouldn't that be really really bad?

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
They developers are working together with the makers of Papers Please to create Calais Customs Simulator 2019

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Guy Goodbody posted:

Wouldn't that be, like, incredibly disastrous for the UK? Even if it's just for a day, wouldn't that be really really bad?

Yes

https://www.google.nl/amp/www.indep...4751.html%3famp

quote:


Brexit poses “real risks” to the cost, availability and quality of the UK's food supplies, which the Government has shown little sign of addressing, researchers claim.

A report from food policy specialists has warned the forthcoming break from Europe will lead to “chaos” unless ministers establish a clear plan on how a new food system will operate.


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/29/hello-spam-and-tinned-peaches-is-britain-facing-a-brexit-food-crisis

quote:


“There are ways and means,” says Damian Fowler, another New Covent Garden wholesaler who depends on frictionless access to the Channel tunnel.

So far, much of the political focus has been on these opportunities for exporters, rather than potential headaches for importers or consumers. The Department for International Trade says it is time to start selling more “high-quality innovative British jams and marmalades” to countries such as France.

This, together with the fear that a lack of immigrant manpower means that British produce will be left rotting in the fields if not preserved, seems to indicate the post-brexit economy will be largely jam-based (especially when Labour takes power)

twoday has issued a correction as of 13:50 on Feb 23, 2018

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Jam-based economy.

ef;b

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

If jam's the way we're going I know just the man to be PM

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
Mad Max gif, but with jam shooting out of the flamethrowers

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
Ooh, yeah! All right!
We're jammin':
I wanna jam it with you
We're jammin', jammin',
And I hope you like jammin', too.

Ain't no rules, ain't no vow, we can do it anyhow:
I'n'I will see you through,
'Cos everyday we pay the price with a little sacrifice,
Jammin' till the jam is through

augias
Apr 7, 2009

twoday posted:

Mad Max gif, but with jam shooting out of the flamethrowers

Wasteful. Likely an american

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Guy Goodbody posted:

Wouldn't that be, like, incredibly disastrous for the UK? Even if it's just for a day, wouldn't that be really really bad?

Yep. A no deal exit would be so deeply, immediately disastrous that I'd almost say there's no chance it would be allowed to happen, but then I could definitely see this government stumbling into it.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Guy Goodbody posted:

Wouldn't that be, like, incredibly disastrous for the UK? Even if it's just for a day, wouldn't that be really really bad?

Yes. It would be catastrophic. Devastating. Really, properly, foundation shakingly bad.

As such, it simply can't be allowed to happen, IMO.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Barry Foster posted:

Yes. It would be catastrophic. Devastating. Really, properly, foundation shakingly bad.

As such, it simply can't be allowed to happen, IMO.

The UK has separate trade deals with non-EU, countries, right? So if you leave the EU with no deal there would be a massive panic buy of food from like, the US and Japan or whoever as store shelves empty and you can't get any more from the continent.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Guy Goodbody posted:

The UK has separate trade deals with non-EU, countries, right? So if you leave the EU with no deal there would be a massive panic buy of food from like, the US and Japan or whoever as store shelves empty and you can't get any more from the continent.

lol, no we do not. All our trade is all through the EU. It would be a hard reset on everything

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
oh jesus

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

twoday posted:

“There are ways and means,” says Damian Fowler, another New Covent Garden wholesaler who depends on frictionless access to the Channel tunnel.

love this bullheaded "IT'S GONNA BE FINE SOMEONE WILL DO SOMETHING ABRACADABRA!" sentiment

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
its cool how cameron nearly lost scotland from the UK and May might lose northern ireland

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Yeah. Exactly.

Which is why I'm quite happy to stomp on the referendum all day long if it comes to that - national suicide by economic hydrogen bomb simply can't be allowed to happen, regardless of whether 52% swivel eyed old racists want to drive the rest of us off a cliff

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
It would revert to WTO rules, meaning immediate price hikes:

"According to a group of University of Cambridge economists, under a "hard Brexit" whereby the UK reverts to WTO rules, one-third of UK exports to the EU would be tariff-free, one-quarter would face high trade barriers and other exports risk tariffs in the range of 1-10%."

Presumably this can be offset by further removing the ridges in Toblerones, turning them into flat candy bars, and other similar tricks.

The real problem will be with customs enforcement. They're not just going to stop importing for, but everything going into and out of the UK will have to be examined by customs agents one side of the border or another. There are currently tons of EU-wide regulations for that stuff, and after Brexit the EU will still have those rules, and the UK will still have some set of rules maybe? Very long lines for customs inspections will slow down the entire supply chain.

I once was in the UK and went to a market right before flying back to Europe, and had a giant chunk of venison and a bunch of vegetables that I took with me as carry-on and made into a Sunday roast immediately after getting home. That probably won't be possible anymore, I imagine.

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Barry Foster posted:

Yeah. Exactly.

Which is why I'm quite happy to stomp on the referendum all day long if it comes to that - national suicide by economic hydrogen bomb simply can't be allowed to happen, regardless of whether 52% swivel eyed old racists want to drive the rest of us off a cliff

Wasn't the proposed referendum just to approve or disapprove of the plan that is negotiated up to that point? And if it is rejected, it defaults to no deal hard brexit?

I think literally any deal is better than none

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
obviously i'd like us to stay in the EU but its leaving the customs union that is properly catastrophic as opposed to just loving the economy badly

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

twoday posted:

Wasn't the proposed referendum just to approve or disapprove of the plan that is negotiated up to that point? And if it is rejected, it defaults to no deal hard brexit?

I think literally any deal is better than none

As far as I'm aware there's no second referendum currently proposed.

We're actually talking about this in the UKMT in D&D at the moment. One of the bigger reasons the last referendum was so moronic was that it was literally 'Leave EU Y/N', completely glossing over the complications and impossibilites of actually doing so. If there were a second one - and this might be a preferable way out of the current bind - the current thread consensus is that it should be a choice between remain, customs union (and maybe single market), or no deal (to act as a spoiler for the remaining olds who are still desperate to kill us all)

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
Remain/Leave the customs union vote, with "if you don't understand what this means, don't loving vote, old person" on the form in huge letters.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
kill all old people imo

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Jose posted:

kill all old people imo

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

lmao

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Jose posted:

kill all old people imo

Time will take care of that. Reminds me of a riddle:

This thing all things devours,
Birds, beasts, trees, and flowers.
Gnaws iron, bites steel,
Grinds hard stones to meal,
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down

it's Brexit

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

twoday has issued a correction as of 16:18 on Feb 23, 2018

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
4IR, the 5G of revolutions.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

twoday posted:

Time will take care of that.
Despite their best attempts, old people manage to recruit new members every year. Prophylactic measures are required.

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?


I'd listen to a vaporwave version of The Internationale.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




the irish/northern irish border w/o drivers license reciprocal recognition, lmebo

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Vym9RZjy8

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

UrbicaMortis posted:

I'd listen to a vaporwave version of The Internationale.

Quick google search:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuZUOjRVSfc

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Squizzle posted:

the irish/northern irish border w/o drivers license reciprocal recognition, lmebo

catholic and protestant licences

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Squizzle posted:

the irish/northern irish border w/o drivers license reciprocal recognition, lmebo
very environmentally friendly really, since everyone will need a co-driver.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
Time to make the Irish driving test in the Irish language just to gently caress with the DUP, since everyone'll need two licenses.

Of course, as recompense, Stormont might make the UK driving test in ulster scots, or as we'd say in English, "Of course, as recompense, Stormont might make the UK driving test in ulster scots".

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




giving the irish so much power over the terms of brexit was one of the finest troll moves from the eu imo

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Squizzle posted:

giving the irish so much power over the terms of brexit was one of the finest troll moves from the eu imo

It's not even a troll really. Ireland is a member nation with a veto. It was always going to be a massive problem but literally the entire brexit elite forgot the place existed.

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jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Squizzle posted:

giving the irish so much power over the terms of brexit was one of the finest troll moves from the eu imo
I dunno. They're only really useful to the continent so long as they don't negotiate in a way that boxes the EU into definitely having a free trade area with NI or similar. We'll see how it pans out.

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