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https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/s...90%7Ctwterm%5E1 Little old ladies protesting is the best.
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Volkerball posted:https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/s...90%7Ctwterm%5E1 
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Grouchio posted:Reminds me of This is the most badass example imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7H00OUf1lA
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Holy poo poo thank you, if I had to search through anymore of the hundreds of pages of ww2 bullshit I woulda lost my mind. It's a real bitch to wade through, I agree. Unfortunately there's some really good posts in amongst the hitlerfest so I push through.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:44
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High-res map of the Afrin area: Afrin's definitely starting to look squeezed on all sides.
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Count Roland posted:Yeah I saw the wiki page too, I read it before I made my post. If you already knew Iranian soldiers were not given keys to heaven why did you say that they were? Don't propagate weird orientalist myths. Ugh I was cringing at that Fisk quote. It is the absolute worst kind of journalism in my opinion, all opinion and commentary. A reporter should let his subjects speak for themselves, not use them as props while he pontificates. One of the passages that stood out as particularily egregious: quote:Yes, said the fourteen-year-old, two of his friends from Kerman had died in Good journalism is all about the data. If the fourteen-year-old's comments were terrifying, why didn't he quote them instead of telling us how we should feel? Such passages are worse than useless because they prime us to feel a certain way. The boy said he cried "when the authorities delayed his journey to the battle front," Which is instantly reinterpreted to mean he cried "because he cannot die yet," although that does not logically follow from the preceding statement. It is an extremely misleading reporting style. This sort of shoddy journalism is severely vulnerable to sample bias, where the journalist interviews people with many different perspectives, but only quotes those who fit his particular narrative. Two of the things that stood out to me in the interviews I read (sadly I've lost the links, news paper articles from the mid 1980s are not that convenient to find) is that 1) Many Iranians who fought in the war gave purely secular and nationalist reasons for enlisting, and 2) Most of them absolutely did not look forward to martyrdom, and their families were often extremely opposed to their enlisting. This is not to say many weren't motivated by religous convictions, but it is easy to only show one narrative. I'm also extremely suspicious of the story that freshly enlisted child soldiers were ordered to clear minefields by detonating the mines with their bodies, if only because it would be hard to distinguish from a distance such tactics from say, an incompetent officer promoted for ideological reasons accidentally ordering men to advance across a mine field. Stories of human wave tactics are reminiscent of now discredited slanders of human-wave tactics used by the Chinese and Soviets. In reality Soviet and Chinese tactics were fairly sophisticated, and many western commentators just did not understand what they were attempting and why they sometimes failed. Unfortunately I haven't read any serious attempt to understand Iranian tactics in the war. Squalid fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Feb 24, 2018 22:03
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Squalid posted:If you already knew Iranian soldiers were not given keys to heaven why did you say that they were? Don't propagate weird orientalist myths. I read a wiki article that said it wasn't true, which frankly was pretty thin. You'd clearly looked into it, I wanted to know what you'd found. And if you know journalists or papers or whatever that are not subject to selection bias, especially in an active warzone, I'm un-ironically interested. Its not like you can carry out a survey under those conditions.
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There’s a difference between bias and obvious sensationalism.
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Feb 24, 2018 23:23
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Count Roland posted:I read a wiki article that said it wasn't true, which frankly was pretty thin. You'd clearly looked into it, I wanted to know what you'd found. Obviously journalists can't escape selection bias in these environments, and really doing so isn't their job. That's a task for polling firms and statisticians and even they struggle with it. Especially not in a war zone where you constantly have a minder leaning over your shoulder. Rather instead they need to be upfront about that the 10 people they talked over the course of a week are not a representative group, that the people they talked to are only speaking for themselves and not an entire nation or religion, and that regardless of all their work there's a lot they just don't know. See how this article about Iranian pows is upfront about the context of the interviews: https://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0707/zbtot4.html quote:When Western journalists come to Iraq to write about the seven-year-old Iran-Iraq war, they almost always come to visit the camp where Shirzad lives.
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Count Roland posted:Yeah I saw the wiki page too, I read it before I made my post. What you're finding so terrifying is the power of willful self-sacrifice in the name of something seen worth dying for. Practical tactical usefulness of living demining chains setaside, I can't but look at your jangling of the keys both literal and metaphorical to the heaven and frothing about the youngest conscripts being 14 during a state of total war, and conclude that you might be motivated by a bit more than concern for childrens rights.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:28
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Sending children to die in minefields is a bad thing imho.
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Kanine posted:considering the success of the anarchist-influenced bookchinite/apost revolution in rojava is going i dont think so You mean the one party statelet built with tacit and now explicit support from a genocidal facist regime?
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Wez posted:You mean the one party statelet built with tacit and now explicit support from a genocidal facist regime? They've had support from the US for a while now.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:They've had support from the US for a while now. Hey buddy I'll have you know that Donald Trump and his government is very progresahahahaHAHAHAHA!!! We live in a dystopian hellworld.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:33
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Duckbox posted:Sending children to die in minefields is a bad thing imho. and astonishingly does not require oriental amulets of mind control
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Feb 25, 2018 03:57
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Liwa Fatemiyoun documentary with English subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIdLnr6zsOQ&t=274s
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Feb 25, 2018 04:45
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Wez posted:You mean the one party statelet built with tacit and now explicit support from a genocidal facist regime? Lol holy poo poo. It’s another Free Salafi Army apologist.
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The Syrian Opposition is fraud Turkish puppet organization made up of sectarian headchoppers. They have about as much credibility as the regime does.
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Feb 25, 2018 05:31
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The SNC/FSA represent the will of the people* *Does not apply to apostates (non-Sunnis)
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Human Grand Prix posted:The Syrian Opposition is fraud Turkish puppet organization made up of sectarian headchoppers. They have about as much credibility as the regime does. Actually it's a bunch of different groups with a wide variety of aims and that's why it was so easy for foreign powers to coopt some of those groups. Let a little nuance into your life.
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Duckbox posted:Sending children to die in minefields is a bad thing imho. duckbox taking a stand on the hard moral issues. I forget duckbox are you the same or different than the old LF poster "Duckbag?" I think I've been confusing you with him.
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Squalid posted:duckbox taking a stand on the hard moral issues. No that's me. I'm still the weird pacifist who likes talking about war.
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Squalid posted:Obviously journalists can't escape selection bias in these environments, and really doing so isn't their job. That's a task for polling firms and statisticians and even they struggle with it. Especially not in a war zone where you constantly have a minder leaning over your shoulder. Rather instead they need to be upfront about that the 10 people they talked over the course of a week are not a representative group, that the people they talked to are only speaking for themselves and not an entire nation or religion, and that regardless of all their work there's a lot they just don't know. See how this article about Iranian pows is upfront about the context of the interviews: Well, maybe I just posted the wrong passage in that case. If I'd posted more it would have named who was taking them around, and who he was there with. Here's one with some funny minder action: quote:True, there were some dissidents among the Iraqi troops, men who still I'm pretty defensive when it comes to this book I find. Perhaps he is sensationalist, he certainly doesn't write from a position of objectivity, and much of the early part of the book is at times autobiographical. Still, the man is there on the front lines -of both sides- getting shot at, seeing horrors, and all the insanity of war. He isn't just trying to smear the Iranians; he does the same to the Iraqis, the Russians, Americans, etc. Its a mammoth, 1000+ page book, and one thing it doesn't lack is context. Anyway, I'll stop pushing it. Thanks for the part about the Key's to Heaven thing, I really thought it was proved but you showed otherwise.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Lol holy poo poo. It’s another Free Salafi Army apologist. He hasn't even referenced the opposition in his post history. Go to therapy.
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Duckbox posted:Actually it's a bunch of different groups with a wide variety of aims and that's why it was so easy for foreign powers to coopt some of those groups. “It’s” is a contraction of “it is” and not “it was” though. Is the FSA/SNC anything at all today besides Turkish puppets? I haven’t followed too closely but I get the impression that the majority of the FSA who wasn’t a terrorist-lite stooge of Turkey had defected to SDF or left into the refugee world or tried to blend back in Assad’s Syria. E: I’m sure there are plenty of rank and file normal dudes, I mean the current leadership. Saladman fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Saladman posted:“It’s” is a contraction of “it is” and not “it was” though. Is the FSA/SNC anything at all today besides Turkish puppets? I haven’t followed too closely but I get the impression that the majority of the FSA who wasn’t a terrorist-lite stooge of Turkey had defected to SDF or left into the refugee world or tried to blend back in Assad’s Syria. There are two FSAs, but the ideology is similar.
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So if the kurds happen to defeat the turks as they defanged isis will we see a full on liberation of other kurd turk provinces
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I don't think we'll see the YPG invading a NATO member but we would probably see large PKK activity, and some of those PKK members would undoubtedly have been YPG members the month before.
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Human Grand Prix posted:There are two FSAs, but the ideology is similar. Oh, huh. I thought "TFSA" was identical to FSA. From a quick read through the ever-reliable (semi /s) Wikipedia, it looks like TFSA is the only FSA in the north, while in the south in Al-Tanf and the Jordan border, there's the 'OG' FSA which has rebranded as Southern Front? To be honest I haven't heard anything about southern Syria in years, and looking at liveuamap it doesn't look like anything much has happened there in years either.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKCN1G70X7Reuters posted:ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A global money-laundering watchdog has decided to place Pakistan back on its terrorist financing watchlist, a government official and a diplomat said on Friday, in a likely blow to Pakistan’s economy and its strained relations with the United States. Glad to see the good guys are being effective, though we should be skeptical that they'll actually greylist them come June, since Pakistan wasn't mentioned in the FATF statement at all.
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LeoMarr posted:So if the kurds happen to defeat the turks as they defanged isis will we see a full on liberation of other kurd turk provinces Afrin is done for, unfortunately. Sometimes the bad guys win.
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LeoMarr posted:So if the kurds happen to defeat the turks as they defanged isis will we see a full on liberation of other kurd turk provinces Without a full-scale US intervention I'm not seeing how that is happening.
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Saladman posted:Oh, huh. I thought "TFSA" was identical to FSA. From a quick read through the ever-reliable (semi /s) Wikipedia, it looks like TFSA is the only FSA in the north, while in the south in Al-Tanf and the Jordan border, there's the 'OG' FSA which has rebranded as Southern Front? To be honest I haven't heard anything about southern Syria in years, and looking at liveuamap it doesn't look like anything much has happened there in years either. Not quite true. The SAA did a couple of offensives against them to open up a route for Iraqi and Iranian militias in the south, wasn't that like 9 months ago?
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Based on the LiveUA map reports it looks like the Syrian army has finally started a small advance in the plains of eastern Ghouta. It looks like the UN ceasefire might only publicly pressure the SAA and Russia to hold off from Ghouta itself, or possibly air attacks? I imagine it's going to take many months to arrive from the east to surround Ghouta proper, but this seems like a big step in the conflict. Idlib, Homs / Hama and Daraa remain static fronts in the meantime and all the other players are focused on Afrin.
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There's also reports of a chlorine attack in Ghouta, on al-Shefonya. https://twitter.com/MhdKatoub/status/967817877243027458 Video from the hospital here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzolYe75_g
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Count Roland posted:I'm pretty defensive when it comes to this book I find. Perhaps he is sensationalist, he certainly doesn't write from a position of objectivity, and much of the early part of the book is at times autobiographical. Still, the man is there on the front lines -of both sides- getting shot at, seeing horrors, and all the insanity of war. He isn't just trying to smear the Iranians; he does the same to the Iraqis, the Russians, Americans, etc. Its a mammoth, 1000+ page book, and one thing it doesn't lack is context. If you're ready to admit all these caveats, then perhaps you might want to ask yourself why exactly should you trust the book on this one particular subject if on anything else you're willing to admit its biases. Or ask why you would want to do that to begin with.
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Throatwarbler posted:Liwa Fatemiyoun documentary with English subs It looks like the media company that produces these videos is an Iranian outfit. They've got a whole host of documentaries in English but there are no credits and the narrators/journalists are never identified by name. It sounds like the guy giving the on-screen narrations in the Russian documentary is speaking either Arabic or Farsi. Their documentary about Russia is kinda funny because they continually bring up the Communists' lack of belief in God as though that were somehow at the core of its failure. Overall the documentaries are very Iran-centric. The one about SAVAK being built by the CIA is very interesting. Sergg fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Volkerball posted:This is the most badass example imo this channel also has a video of supposedly the US dropping supplies to ISIS. I'm confused.
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lollontee posted:If you're ready to admit all these caveats, then perhaps you might want to ask yourself why exactly should you trust the book on this one particular subject if on anything else you're willing to admit its biases. Or ask why you would want to do that to begin with. I understand it as sources on the war in english are pretty weak. Its like putting rumours and ideological beliefs against a person with bias who is there. Until I get something firmer its hard not to at least reference the source.
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CherryCola posted:this channel also has a video of supposedly the US dropping supplies to ISIS. I'm confused. We had a few accidental drops that were supposed to go to our allies or spec ops on the ground but got carried off course by wind or whatever. Accidentally airdropping some of your supplies to the enemy is a pretty common error in wartime.
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