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Triticum Guzzler posted:the most important kickboxing illuminati twitter subscription you can do at this time is: https://twitter.com/Karaev_Fan like fuckin clockwork https://twitter.com/Karaev_Fan/status/967063151748382720 also another high level thai in a championship fight https://twitter.com/Karaev_Fan/status/967065886673616898
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:i know there's different rules for thai boxing specifically and all the different promotions are a nightmare of organized crime and corruption, but how many thai fighters would be world class if there was the equivalent of a UFC of kickboxing? Late on this but yea it's sort of the case from what I can tell. The rules and culture are different as dunc noted and the other point I would add is that I'm pretty certain that the gyms in thailand have huge amounts of control over their fighters which makes it hard for them to negotiate stuff overseas. Also punches either don't score or are scored less (I've read conflicting stuff about this) so there has traditionally been a lack of focus on boxing skills in MT as Dunc said. Basically from what I can tell punches only score if they are really significant and that's of course up to a lot of intepretation (this website outlines it decently well I think https://khunkaogym.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/a-laymans-guide-to-scoring-a-muay-thai-fight/). One of the ways the first wave of successful farangs made a splash in thailand was by exploiting the thai boxing deficit and chasing knockdowns and KOs. Ramon Dekkers and John Wayne Parr are examples of this (though JWP had thai style training as well). Dekkers V Coban 2 is always worth watching. A huge milestone for the boxing aspect being appreciated in MT and farangs in the sport. It's also just crazy as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=277jm2NhymA Also I may have linked this before but I think John Wayne Parrs documentary is really cool if you're remotely interested in MT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixMij3Gx4nU e- ^ part of the reason I hope muay thai in thailand stays untouched- all the traditional and quirky stuff is so drat cool. "anyone who got a knockout on a nationally televised fight was gifted a gold chain." I've said it before but I'd willingly fork over 10 bucks a month for an HD feed of lumpinee fights. I'm sure I could use a VPN or dodgy sites to watch Thai sport tv or whatever but I haven't put effort into investigating it. Apologies for the word salad, i'm tired and trying to remember stuff from when I went through a MT viewing kick like two years ago.
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Feb 24, 2018 05:41
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Well, the Lumpinee lightweight title was just contested in Japan between Kulabdam and Genji Umeno, so there's at least a HD version of that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaNvq0reuBE Also, KNOCK OUT have said they're going to continue broadcasting their shows on Periscope, so that's cool. Curiously, Abema (K-1's online broadcast partner) have just announced some kind of weekly reality show surrounding Tenshin going around sparring with famous fighters and pro wrestlers, but it's literally named "Tenshin Nasukawa challenger tournament". His name allegedly used to be censored on their service (because people kept spamming it during Takeru fights). He's also holding Rizin's feet to the fire to do more kickboxing bouts. The one person who is cutting through all the ridiculous backroom politics bullshit is a fuckin 19 year old.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:Well, the Lumpinee lightweight title was just contested in Japan between Kulabdam and Genji Umeno, so there's at least a HD version of that That was legit amazing. I don't understand Thai Vs regular kickboxing but that straight seemed to be there all night but never taken advantage of by both fighters, is that just Thai style?
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Feb 24, 2018 17:05
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Slow starts are Thai style, but it seemed like a light went off above Kulabdam's head once he hit the straight left in the third round, and then it just kept landing over and over and over, and Umeno just couldn't adjust
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Feb 24, 2018 17:13
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btw it was mentioned in the boxing thread but nieky holzken is a late replacement and is boxing in the wbss semi finals in about 2 hours
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Triticum Guzzler posted:btw it was mentioned in the boxing thread but nieky holzken is a late replacement and is boxing in the wbss semi finals in about 2 hours this is the most one-sided fight in either tournament that i'm most interested to see. also, in the opinion of the kb illuminati, will takeru and tenshin ever fight before one or the other loses / starts fading?
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Feb 24, 2018 22:23
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Marching Powder posted:this is the most one-sided fight in either tournament that i'm most interested to see. As of next month they're going to be 2 weight classes apart (although technically so was suakim). Honestly at this point i think "if Takeru wins the gp" is a pretty loving big if, his likely path is Stauros, Nedrov, then Suarek. Stauros is a good fighter in his own right and hosed Taiga's world up quick. Nedrov I haven't seen much of, from what I've seen I don't think he's a world beater but I think he's a loving horror to fight in an 8 man GP. He's got that Robin van Roosmalen style where he's constantly mixing body punching, leg kicks, and power shots around the guard. He destroyed former It's Showtime champ Sergio Wielzen (again not a world beater but a solid fighter) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAV3t2oMQ0Q It's a horrific style to be up against if you fight like Takeru does and you have another fight before and after. I think Takeru at his best beats both Stauros and Nedrov but there is a serious chance that both guys sleep him. There is some creeping doubt amongst the kickboxing illuminati about whether Takeru makes it through. As for the business side of things, I think conventional wisdom at this point says that Tenshin would gently caress Takeru up, I doubt K-1 would want to have their biggest star get beat by a teenager. I just don't see it happening even though it's the only superfight that's ever made sense.
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Feb 24, 2018 22:57
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On one hand,  On the other, I really want to watch that gp
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Feb 24, 2018 23:09
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lol gently caress, i'm not sure i posted it before but i heard they were sort of not seriously considering sacrificing horiguchi to tenshin in kickboxing, but then today: https://twitter.com/Karaev_Fan/status/967963080360542209
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Feb 26, 2018 11:56
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Triticum Guzzler posted:lol gently caress, i'm not sure i posted it before but i heard they were sort of not seriously considering sacrificing horiguchi to tenshin in kickboxing, but then today: jesus christ. no. horiguchi would be giving up size along with everything else
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Feb 26, 2018 12:26
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Marching Powder posted:jesus christ. no. horiguchi would be giving up size along with everything else Tenshin fights at 55kg, which is a hair under 122lbs, and kickboxers generally don't cut a lot. But I mean the bigger issue is that even though Horiguchi is an elite level MMA fighter who adapted from a karate background, I don't think he ever actually did knockdown karate. Whereas Tenshin has the same number of professional fights as Horiguchi, plus over a hundred amateur fights, plus coming out of the Japanese teen karate death fight circuit. It's an insurmountable experience deficit.
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Feb 26, 2018 13:07
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Huh for some reason I thought tenshin fought at 135. Well, that's good, but every thing else you said is still a scary prospect for poor guch.
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1) Using a blade-elbowed Kickboxer, quickly cut off the front of the Horiguchi about 1/4 inch above the eyes. This kills the Kyogi.
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Feb 26, 2018 14:16
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Triticum Guzzler posted:plus coming out of the Japanese teen karate death fight circuit. Tell me more about this
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Dr.Radical posted:Tell me more about this The best kickboxers in Japan come from knockdown karate. It's basically kyokushin with boxing gloves, so strikes to the head are legal. Here's a quick video of Noiri as a kid, it doesn't show it but the kid he head kicks in the first bout gets stretchered. There's also a shitload of amateur kickboxing with supernaturally talented kids from knockdown karate or pure kyokushin, which leads to situations like Tenshin having over a hundred amateur fights before turning "pro". It's insane and it shouldn't happen, but a lot of talent bubbles up and into kickboxing from that weird world, and the cream of the crop are absolute killers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8JlrepSdXw
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Feb 27, 2018 14:37
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Before I forget, pretty good card from Glory on saturday: Glory 51 - Rotterdam Heavyweight Headline Bout: Badr Hari vs. Hesdy Gerges Welterweight Tournament Final Bout: Winner of Bout A vs. Winner of Bout B Heavyweight Co-Headline Bout: Tomas Mozny vs. Daniel Skvor Welterweight Tournament Semifinal Bout B: Eyevan Danenberg vs. Jimmy Vienot Welterweight Tournament Semifinal Bout A: Thongchai Sitsongpeenong vs. Alan Scheinson Glory 51 - SuperFight Series Welterweight Contender Headline Bout: Cédric Doumbé vs. Alim Nabiyev Welterweight Co-Headline Bout: Mohammed Jaraya vs. Miles Simson Lightweight Bout: Tyjani Beztati vs. Anil Cabri Featherweight Bout: Massaro Glunder vs. Victor Pinto Middleweight Bout: Kevin van Heeckeren vs. Bart Kroon Doumbe vs Nabiyev could be really good, and it's free on fight pass
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Feb 27, 2018 15:24
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at least Badr Hari vs Hesdy is on last, so you can just stop watching before it starts. Welterweight tournament should be fun.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:30
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Hesdy's had a bad few years, and nobody knows what level Badr is at because he doesn't fight. Also Badr's taking way less steroids now, presumably because he can't afford them without a win bonus. I'm morbidly curious about it, it was shaping up to be a good fight 8 years ago before Badr threw his toys out of the pram because Hesdy wouldn't let him knock him out.
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MrBling posted:at least Badr Hari vs Hesdy is on last, so you can just stop watching before it starts. What are you talking about. Badr is the draw man. How can you pass on that theme song.
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A week or two ago my facebook memories popped up to remind me of the time hesdy got caught with 128 kg of coke. An impressive feat
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david carmichael posted:A week or two ago my facebook memories popped up to remind me of the time hesdy got caught with 128 kg of coke. An impressive feat I think the final telling on that was Hesdy wasn't anywhere near the cocaine but someone decided to push an investigation because his half-brother was the one in the warehouse. Led to this great quote from his trainer: "Hesdy has been framed. He wakes up at 7:30, at 10:00am he trains with me, rests in the afternoon, then in the evening does strength and conditioning and is in bed by 10:00 PM. I cannot imagine that he still would have time for things like this."
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Glory is on tomorrow. Badr is nearly 30lbs lighter than when he fought Verhoeven. He is so far removed from his horsed out peak. https://twitter.com/ZiggysFollies/status/969535574150451200 Mohammed Jaraya is also fighting 10 months into his 2 year suspension for attacking a judge in Enfusion. Dutch Justice at work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqgnXmmgN-4
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Mar 2, 2018 15:40
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oh yeah and watch this https://vimeo.com/257515160
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Triticum Guzzler posted:oh yeah and watch this this is so sick. having a fan dedicated enough to make a 20 minute long compilation video means that kick punching might be ready to make its big return to the mainstream! e. lol i just got to the first double ko and the ref responded like he'd been reffing double ko's his entire life. consummate professional. e2. the video compiler loving loves body shot ko's. and so do i. e3. wow i can't remember the last time i saw someone head kick ko a dude who was falling down from a head punch ko. Marching Powder fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Marching Powder posted:this is so sick. having a fan dedicated enough to make a 20 minute long compilation video means that kick punching might be ready to make its big return to the mainstream! sadly it's because that's no ordinary fan, that's the coach that turned johny hendricks into the guy who outstruck robbie lawler. he is married to kickboxing.
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wow so this video is only his second greatest achievement. seriously turning johny from a guy with a left to being able to box inside with robbie lawler for ten rounds and win most of them is one of the most impressive transformations i've seen in combat sports.
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20 minutes of highlights. Double KO ref is my fav so far
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Triticum Guzzler posted:oh yeah and watch this owns all of the bones
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Mar 3, 2018 02:15
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ufc fightpass has it's first full rulesuay thai card on right now (friday night fights out of nyc), it's fun so far
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Anybody who wants to watch some kickboxing before they watch some kickboxing, Wu Lin Feng is live right now http://v.baidu.com/live/henanws No idea what the card is, but I know Ilias Bulaid is on it and all of his fights are good edit: well i posted this just in time for him to win the decision so now i have no idea what is on this card Triticum Guzzler fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Sanda champ Fu Gaofeng made his kickboxing debut and absolutely faceplanted Darry Sichtman who is a much higher level Dutch kickboxer than anybody would make their debut against. One to watch. https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/969963534913343488 Triticum Guzzler fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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I did not know the glory card was at 1 pm. Thought it was on at night.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:Sanda champ Fu Gaofeng made his kickboxing debut and absolutely faceplanted Darry Sichtman who is a much higher level Dutch kickboxer than anybody would make their debut against. One to watch. That's a pretty loving cool sound that punch made too.
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ah uh... much less aesthetically pleasing faceplant ko but a faceplant ko regardless
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Massaro Glunder just took a snap high kick straight to the dick, ouch edit: the crowd going "Whoooooo-O!" for the replays of the dick kick lol
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world class level groin kick. hope to get a video of that one, it was as bad as takeru/saravia.
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EXCELLENT impersonation of "old woman lost at Costco" from the Turkish fighter after that headkick Beautifully failed standing 8
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