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"The Kickstarter was raw excitement. You know, you were part of it." Ah, no, Kev. Palladium Games were the first I cut my teeth on (SDC tastes gritty) over twenty years ago so I'm wise how things roll with Palladium at the helm. This is about what was expected and that's why I didn't back it. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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How can you commission models in a medium that isn't compatible with what the manufacturer requires. Holy poo poo. Though I'm surprised they didn't just go to shapeways with their .stl files.Cassa posted:President Kevin has given us an obituary for the Robotech debacle. For new page.
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Feb 28, 2018 03:12
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Did that Rifts (®®®®®®®®) board game ever launch after the bad moment with the project lead?
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Feb 28, 2018 03:23
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I think the important thing to remember is that had the Robotech game succeeded, Harmony Gold would've profited. So we can all be happy that it failed.
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Feb 28, 2018 03:25
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Cassa posted:President Kevin has given us an obituary for the Robotech debacle. The comments were “entertaining” to read..
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Feb 28, 2018 04:05
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The beginning very strongly gives off a "we heard Ninja Division was good, but" vibe, which even without following through is kind of lovely. It's like the first draft of this was going to throw them under the bus (again) and not all of it was edited out in revision.
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Feb 28, 2018 04:08
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Cassa posted:How can you commission models in a medium that isn't compatible with what the manufacturer requires. Holy poo poo. Though I'm surprised they didn't just go to shapeways with their .stl files. That's blindingly incompetent. Even for Palladium that's bad. Still, at least they're converting rewards for things that will never exist into stuff that does (backers pay shipping) so backers don't get screwed. Consolation prize, Loren Wiseman has a shot at the license and could do a Battletech spinoff. Could, won't sure, but it's possible now. This is all beside the important point. When does Harmony Gold's license expire ? America needs Macross Frontier.
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Guy Goodbody posted:March 14, 2021 Please don't let him be replying to me. OK, that Vietnam game looks like a good value for minis, but quote:As a matter of fact, for that reason, we don't have a draft copy of the rules because the designer and I will be going through a thorough refining development process because, you are right, what I have learned after many years about simplifying and streamlining procedures, steps, phases, et cetera, will be our next step after funding. is a terrible sign.
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mllaneza posted:That's blindingly incompetent. Even for Palladium that's bad. I mean yeah they're a "successful" book company, but based on just this Kickstarter's prior updates it's not surprising at all (setting aside I'm pretty sure this information was divulged earlier). Remember the giant 10k word """update""" where he told everyone no one had arranged fulfillment until the manufacturer asked where to send their first shipment? That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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It's precisely what I had already figured had gone down, but they needed to come clean with this far, far sooner than they did. There was no way Wave Two was happening without an angel arriving on their doorstep, and holding out for one has probably done irrevocable damage.Cassa posted:How can you commission models in a medium that isn't compatible with what the manufacturer requires. Holy poo poo. Though I'm surprised they didn't just go to shapeways with their .stl files. I remember when all the KS was still going down, I got to hear an industry insider describe Ninja Division as "clownshoes" during GenCon. It stuck with me then, and it'll now stick with me forever. Nuns with Guns posted:Did that Rifts (®®®®®®®®) board game ever launch after the bad moment with the project lead? No. I know some work went gone on further with it after that, but it never relaunched. Things have been silent since as far as I know. That Old Tree posted:The beginning very strongly gives off a "we heard Ninja Division was good, but" vibe, which even without following through is kind of lovely. It's like the first draft of this was going to throw them under the bus (again) and not all of it was edited out in revision. Note that he puts the idea of splitting the KS into two "waves" over on Ninja Division and is like "well we came around to the idea".
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Feb 28, 2018 04:23
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mllaneza posted:Please don't let him be replying to me. Not only that, Harmony Gold's trademark for Macross doesn't expire until December 26, 2022. So there's gonna be a solid year and a half where they don't have the license but do control the trademark and god only knows what kinda poo poo they're gonna pull then.
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That Old Tree posted:I mean yeah they're a "successful" book company, but based on just this Kickstarter's prior updates it's not surprising at all (setting aside I'm pretty sure this information was divulged earlier). Ironically, Palladium's private crowdfunding campaigns for books turned out fine; somewhat late, of course, but that should be no surprise at this point.
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Feb 28, 2018 04:34
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I think it's funny they mentioned the dimensional weight pricing change because if they delivered their kickstarter on time, it wouldn't have been an issue. The change didn't go into effect until December 29, of 2014. This was also announced June 2014 so it's not like it was unexpected or sudden. Shipping rates change every year too, although not that drastically, so it's another not very apparent error on their part that they try to pass off as unforeseen.
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Feb 28, 2018 05:01
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Isn't there already a Batman miniatures game? either way, this thing is gonna make a billiondollars
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Guy Goodbody posted:Isn't there already a Batman miniatures game? either way, this thing is gonna make a billiondollars Yeah, it's by a Spanish company named Knight Models. http://knightmodels-store.com/en_GB Oddly enough, they're launching a Harry Potter game over Kickstarter in a couple weeks too. It's the same scale as Knight Model's game, which I think they purposely chose. I don't think it's that much cheaper than buying Knight Model's stuff at stores like the Warstore or Miniature Market. The Knight Model sculpts are also much better, despite some joint and stress point issues like Batgirl's ironically snapping legs. The Gotham City models looked like cheap plastic at Gencon but I assumed that was the prototype and not what this actually is, a cash grab.
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Feb 28, 2018 05:20
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Cassa posted:President Kevin has given us an obituary for the Robotech debacle. Holy poo poo this is ballsy: quote:We know it is not what you expected, but we would like to offer you Wave One rewards in exchange for the unrealized Wave Two rewards – but you will have to pay for shipping. My favorite comment is the guy who's saying "don't listen to the grumps" but who also says he got his stuff in the first wave. e: oof, one guy pledged $770 and got nothing. Evil Mastermind fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 05:31
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Evil Mastermind posted:Holy poo poo this is ballsy: My favorite thing is how he wants people not only to pay shipping, but to convert to msrp on wave one poo poo, which is not even remotely kosher. I hope he gets sued into the loving ground.
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Feb 28, 2018 05:36
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Looks like people are organizing on Facebook to take legal action. I honestly hope they do, and I hope they win. My feelings about Kevin aside, publishers need to start being taken to task for this kind of bullshit.
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Feb 28, 2018 05:39
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Dawgstar posted:"The Kickstarter was raw excitement. You know, you were part of it." No. I don't think I could describe any kickstarter I've ever seen as 'raw excitement'. Except maybe the one for the product that sends a warning to your phone if your cat isn't pooping enough.
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Feb 28, 2018 06:55
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Palladium wants me to exchange my wave 2 remaining pledge for RRP wave 1, and then pay $60-100 for shipping that I already paid for, they can go and gently caress themselves. This should be the end of Palladium.
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I like the most recent comment that's a weird essay that, among other things, wonders why everything's being made in China when it's all the way across the ocean how can that possibly be cost-effective!?!?! EDIT: quote:Also, why is any of this money going to Amazon? 
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Feb 28, 2018 06:59
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Dawgstar posted:"The Kickstarter was raw excitement. You know, you were part of it." I read that as "raw excrement" and was wondering why he was being so honest.
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That Old Tree posted:I like the most recent comment that's a weird essay that, among other things, wonders why everything's being made in China when it's all the way across the ocean how can that possibly be cost-effective!?!?!
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That Old Tree posted:I like the most recent comment that's a weird essay that, among other things, wonders why everything's being made in China when it's all the way across the ocean how can that possibly be cost-effective!?!?! Still, their handling of the whole thing is total incompetance.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Looks like people are organizing on Facebook to take legal action. Hahaha, hopefully something will happen with this. It would be pretty great if this huge expensive mess is what finally brings them down. It seemed odd for them to be involved with anything like this when it launched, and boy am I happy I didn't end up backing.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:No. I know some work went gone on further with it after that, but it never relaunched. Things have been silent since as far as I know. Well, I hope the guy is doing alright, but man if the Robotech kickstarter didn't make people distrust Palladium projects up to this point, this last update will sure ensure they never fund a successful kickstarter again.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I remember when all the KS was still going down, I got to hear an industry insider describe Ninja Division as "clownshoes" during GenCon. It stuck with me then, and it'll now stick with me forever. That's classy. Say what you will about Relic Knights but if I wanted to, I could buy them. I think they even, gasp, re-release miniatures in a timely fashion which is more than I can say for some.
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Ninja Division always struck me as being like CMON if CMON put their kickstarter exclusives up for sale post-kickstarter. Is that an accurate assumption to make
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Guy Goodbody posted:Isn't there already a Batman miniatures game? either way, this thing is gonna make a billiondollars This is by the same company that made the Conan Kickstarter game a few years back, and functions with the exact same game mechanics. I fully backed the Conan game, and have been thoroughly enjoying it ever since I got it, so I'm probably all the way in on this one too.
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Conan is real good, and all the minis came out well, just a few hot bath bits (mainly spears) to straighten bent pieces, I'm probably going to pass on Batman just because I don't need another gigantic minis boardgame, but I definitely trust that they can deliver a good game (and in relatively good time, too.)
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Dawgstar posted:That's classy. Say what you will about Relic Knights but if I wanted to, I could buy them. I think they even, gasp, re-release miniatures in a timely fashion which is more than I can say for some. Ninja Division has had no shortage of issues with their own Kickstarters. Though the buck ultimately falls at Palladium's doorstep, that doesn't make ND blameless in this fiasco. The 2nd edition of Relic Knights is currently in a situation where Waves 2 and 3 have been delayed multiple times, and some backers are really frustrated at their inability to get responses re: refunds judging from the comments. Ninja Division had kickstarter issues when they were with CMoN, so people blamed CMoN, they had issues when with Palladium, so people blamed Palladium, and they had issues when they're on their own... well, nobody can blame them for that, can they? Maybe Paizo will continue to ruin their imperfect record, somehow. I'm not saying the shoe fits, just that there's a squeaking noise for those who pay attention.
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alchahest posted:Conan is real good, and all the minis came out well, just a few hot bath bits (mainly spears) to straighten bent pieces, I'm probably going to pass on Batman just because I don't need another gigantic minis boardgame, but I definitely trust that they can deliver a good game (and in relatively good time, too.) To be fair, they were massively bailed out by Asmodee on the Conan game, which I suspect is why they claim to have lost money at retail, as they were paying them back for saving it from being a catastrophe.
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PST posted:To be fair, they were massively bailed out by Asmodee on the Conan game, which I suspect is why they claim to have lost money at retail, as they were paying them back for saving it from being a catastrophe. Details? I'm not familiar with this. I backed and got, so I never looked any deeper.
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Heads up, in the newest Robotech post Kevin actually instructs backers to send credit card information... through Kickstarter messaging. Yeah, that's totally secure!  quote:5. Send us your credit card info (via Kickstarter Message, or by phone at 734-721-2903) and we will charge you for the shipping cost, or send a PayPal payment to paypal@palladiumbooks.com, then let us know you have sent payment.
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PST posted:To be fair, they were massively bailed out by Asmodee on the Conan game, which I suspect is why they claim to have lost money at retail, as they were paying them back for saving it from being a catastrophe. Oh yeah - but I think the biggest part of it is they realised there were fulfillment issues before it became a five year "just one more month" scenario, and they and asmodee worked out a way to bring a great game to market, and to fulfill for all the backers in a timely way. Failing at kickstarter in your first go isn't a surprise or an indicator of future business, how you deal with that failure is. I think Monolith did pretty well in that. I didn't end up getting the big expansions during the campaign, but I did pick up one of them, at retail, a few months ago - which is a great sign. That said I'm still out on Batman.
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I'm really hoping that's Palladium's business number and not Kevin's actual phone number. Normally I wouldn't have to ask that, but...well, Kevin.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Ninja Division has had no shortage of issues with their own Kickstarters. Though the buck ultimately falls at Palladium's doorstep, that doesn't make ND blameless in this fiasco. Of course I always hold out hope that with the next update (which should be later today), they'll announce a manufacturing and shipping schedule, but it's not looking good.
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GaistHeidegger posted:Heads up, in the newest Robotech post Kevin actually instructs backers to send credit card information... through Kickstarter messaging. Yeah, that's totally secure! I don't think Siembieda knows how computers or anything related to the Internet works.
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