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Also supposedly SA basically paid for Pakistani nukes anyways and has dibs on a few. Along with a Division if things go sideways. But that was in the 70s-80s so maybe not anymore. Edit: apparently as recently as 2015 it was considered to be an open secret that the Saudis have an option to grab 5-6 warheads from Pakistan and mount them on missiles already deployed near Riyadh. freeasinbeer fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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Makes sense, given that Saudi Arabia was one of the few countries that propped up Pakistan at the turn of the century, following their nuclear weapons tests. And the fact that Saudi Arabia funneled money and arms through Pakistan to fund the Taliban. And the fact that Saudi Arabia continues to fund madrassahs and mosques in Pakistan.
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freeasinbeer posted:Also supposedly SA basically paid for Pakistani nukes anyways Man these forums used to be way cooler Sinteres posted:Probably safer than Pakistan. And India. And Israel.
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You'd have to wonder who would actually go help set up centrifuges in KSA. I'd bet even Russia or China wouldn't want to destabilize things further, let alone Euopean powers. Pakistan would really drive Iran toward India and don't think they could accept the liability (recently there was some press about Pakistan refusing to help with Yemen, which I think is bellwether). Israel or America under Trump OTOH...?? Especially for Israel, it'd make sense to paint a target on KSA's back all the while KSA thinks it's a huge favor. I imagine an entire technical workforce would need to also be brought in for operation, not just a few experts to train Saudis. Maybe Al Sadr as a better understanding of the ratio of foreign experts/KSA talent for military & industrial projects?? I don't know if Pakistan would have a bench deep enough to afford many experts. Maybe some CIS and Chinese scientists & engineers and Chinese? To top it all, you might as well make a Saudi Natanz/Fordow and bury it deep enough. Obviously Iran lacks what US, etc have on penetrating ordinance but you don't design installations like this keeping your immediate foe in mind for requirements. Whichever way, it'd take a long time and be an incredibly wasteful effort draining a lot of capital for very little in return. In some earlier post, I estimated going nuclear would actually stop KSA from meeting energy production goals. Doing enrichment would sap even more resources from civilian power production planning/phasing. If it ever comes to pass (I bet it won't, even if an agreement is made), Iran should be thankful they're going to throw their resources away that could be better spent on more effective deterrence.
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Open letter in the NYRB about the need to DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!! http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/02/27/the-world-must-act-now-on-syria quote:The World Must Act Now on Syria
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icantfindaname posted:Open letter in the NYRB about the need to DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/968721114955501568?s=19 Recognition of Taliban as a legitimate political group. Ceasefire and a release of prisoners. Review of the constitution as part of a pact with the Taliban. Taliban would have to recognize the Afghan government and respect the rule of law. I doubt the Taliban is interested in this deal.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/968721114955501568?s=19 But it sure as hell gets the american public to think are boys will come back sooner. The taliban sits at the table now, in 5 years they will be at the head. The taliban has fast become a coventional fighting force. This is literally vietnam 2.0. We strengthened the enemy and now they threaten more than 50% of the country. Give it a few years and we will see a retreat of the northern alliance.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The world is acting though? I mean, it's primarily acting to bomb the piss out of Syria, but still, acting. I thought we all agreed to act like we give a poo poo?
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LeoMarr posted:We strengthened the enemy and now they threaten more than 50% of the country. Give it a few years and we will see a retreat of the northern alliance. We haven't strengthened the Taliban in just under 30 years. Our """allies""" in the area have been though.
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svenkatesh posted:We haven't strengthened the Taliban in just under 30 years. The US has been pouring in arms and money to the corrupt Afghan government. The Taliban is likely capturing/stealing/buying/extorting quite a bit of the equipment the US is providing.
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Does the army let you enlist when you're underage, or do we have to wait until next year to send troops in who weren't even alive when we invaded?
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Goon Danton posted:Does the army let you enlist when you're underage, or do we have to wait until next year to send troops in who weren't even alive when we invaded? You can sign up when you're 17 (with parental permission) but I'm pretty sure you have to be 18 by the time you finish your initial entry training.
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MbS bringing some positive change to Yemen 
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Bashar Al-Assad, if you're reading this, for the love of god please drop sarin gas on the Washington Post HQ. I will literally suck your dick if you do so.
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Have the Taliban moderated at all to expand their appeal or are they still pretty much a bunch of dickheads?
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I mean, in the West, wasn't men killing themselves in vast numbers a -huge- part of women's suffrage, and then killing themselves in vast numbers -loving again- 20 years later, a huge part of women working in an expanded variety of different occupations? E: Honestly spinning either thing as a positive outcome for killing tens of millions of people is retarded, and MBS shouldn't win any humanitarian awards even if Yemeni women do retain better rights in a few years. Although who knows, Obama got a Nobel Peace prize for doing absolutely jack-poo poo.
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LeoMarr posted:But it sure as hell gets the american public to think are boys will come back sooner. Aren't they mostly home already? The presence is a tenth of what it used to be. Did Afghanistan fatigue playing any part in the recent elections?
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e:Misread.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Have the Taliban moderated at all to expand their appeal or are they still pretty much a bunch of dickheads? What do you mean by "moderated?" They simply want to implement Shariat.
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svenkatesh posted:What do you mean by "moderated?" They simply want to implement Shariat.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They need to triangulate to reach upper-middle class Afghans. All 5-10% of them? I mean, why would they need to cater to such a small minority whose recent relative wealth and power is heavily dependent on their enemy (an enemy which are steadily losing interest in propping up that minority security wise and whose absence will severely depower that minority anyway).
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Islam is a political religion. You can't "triangulate" Shariat. You either follow it or you don't. Related - notice that none of Saudi Arabia's "reforms" have actually contradicted or rolled-back Shariat.
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svenkatesh posted:You can't "triangulate" Shariat. You either follow it or you don't. I thought it was a joke about blowing up affluent dissenters with their newly acquired tech.
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svenkatesh posted:Islam is a political religion. tell me more, goon, sire. 
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Zudgemud posted:All 5-10% of them? I mean, why would they need to cater to such a small minority whose recent relative wealth and power is heavily dependent on their enemy (an enemy which are steadily losing interest in propping up that minority security wise and whose absence will severely depower that minority anyway). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_N3kROJvn0 (i mean, granting the premise of the joke, you ain't wrong nawmean?) Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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svenkatesh posted:Islam is a political religion. Trap sprung, well played Buttery Pastry
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svenkatesh posted:Islam is a political religion. you can promote nerds and norms you like and lean on nerds and norms you don't, although in the case of the Taliban it's definitely more the nerds making policy rather than policymakers leaning on the nerds i don't actually know anything about whether the Taliban's applied theology has changed in any meaningful way in the last fifteen years but dismissing that as a possibility is stupid fake edit: oh right, you're that guy actual edit: also I missed buttery pastry being a funnyman
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Willie Tomg posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_N3kROJvn0 Oh hey, I replied to that calorie rich sand German, never mind then!
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Uh, if I got baited then well done. Too subtle for me to pick up on I guess.GreyjoyBastard posted:fake edit: oh right, you're that guy What is that supposed to mean? 
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svenkatesh posted:Uh, if I got baited then well done. Too subtle for me to pick up on I guess. This thread is an excellent demonstration of Poe's Law.
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CarrKnight posted:Aren't they mostly home already? The presence is a tenth of what it used to be. Afghan fatigue will last until the last man leaves. 7,000 is too many for the american public to stomach. Aswell as lack of real understanding of the issue at in general. No one givew a poo poo about afghanistan other than "we need to get out" ive heard this on both sides of the aisle. Coming back to the us esp transitioning jnto the civilian world whenever that word "afghanistan" comes up theres always a disdain for anyone sent to the country. Not a disdain for the individual person, more of the act of being sent to the place.
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axelord posted:The US has been pouring in arms and money to the corrupt Afghan government. The Taliban is likely capturing/stealing/buying/extorting quite a bit of the equipment the US is providing. Yes. This is happening. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-soldiers.html Just five days ago the Taliban used two captured Humvees as carbombs in attacks on government checkpoints. They then captured a Humvee.
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Saladman posted:E: Honestly spinning either thing as a positive outcome for killing tens of millions of people is retarded, and MBS shouldn't win any humanitarian awards even if Yemeni women do retain better rights in a few years. Although who knows, Obama got a Nobel Peace prize for doing absolutely jack-poo poo.
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icantfindaname posted:Open letter in the NYRB about the need to DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!! As bad as things are in Ghouta, Yemen is still the biggest humanitarian crisis on this planet. It's nice and easy to write about evil Assad and evil Putin doing horrible things in Syria while not mentioning the US spported Saudi blockade of Yemen that's causing the biggest famine of the century.
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Torrannor posted:As bad as things are in Ghouta, Yemen is still the biggest humanitarian crisis on this planet. It's nice and easy to write about evil Assad and evil Putin doing horrible things in Syria while not mentioning the US spported Saudi blockade of Yemen that's causing the biggest famine of the century. So mention it, nothing is stopping you. Nobody is obliged to mention all things at all times in correct proportions.
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Torrannor posted:As bad as things are in Ghouta, Yemen is still the biggest humanitarian crisis on this planet. It's nice and easy to write about evil Assad and evil Putin doing horrible things in Syria while not mentioning the US spported Saudi blockade of Yemen that's causing the biggest famine of the century. Well hundreds of people dying is less than thousands dying, but we should definitely be mad about both. I, for one, would be grateful for more Yemen news itt. There's a real problem with the media coverage there and any actual verifiable reporting from Yemen is precious and I want to hear it. I think we mostly talk about Syria more because we've been following it a long time and the media coverage is good enough that we can actually get a sense of things. It doesn't mean we don't care about Yemen in this thread though. I think most of us do.
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