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SpikeMcclane
Sep 11, 2005

You want the story?
I'll spin it for you quick...

food court bailiff posted:

Someone more familiar with 3D modelling software than I am please explain how they weren't able to convert .stl files into something else. Like....everything is capable of reading STL files*. I am pretty sure I can poo poo out some procedurally generated 3D object in OpenSCAD, export it as an STL, open it in Blender, modify it or do whatever and then probably export it to any number of other file types, all for free, in like fifteen minutes, while watching Netflix on my other monitor. You need to set a unit scale but past that what's the hold up on the technical side?


*Literally everything, I mean the basic file standard supports human-readable ASCII.

It wasn't the file format. They sent the 3d models for complete figures: no parts break down or sprue layout.

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Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib



This game continues to look real dumb, which is disappointing.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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some loving LIAR posted:

If a lawsuit doesn’t involve an explicit question of federal law, it cannot be tried in federal court unless the amount in controversy exceeds $75K and none of the parties on one side of the suit are residents of the same state as any of the parties on the other side.

A state court will look to its own civil procedure code to decide whether or not it has jurisdiction over a case. As a matter of federal constitutional law, the only limit on whether a particular party can be sued in a particular state’s courts is whether that party has the necessary minimum contacts to justify it. For Palladium, that would mean asking whether it had pervasive contact with the forum state (as it would have in Michigan) or whether it had enough limited contact regarding the subject matter of the dispute with the forum state (e.g. by advertising or knowingly reaching out into another state to do business).

So basically, they'd almost have to be sued in Michigan for small claims?

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

inklesspen posted:

Whatever happened to that RPG where you get superpowers from numbers stations, so the logical conclusion is to team up with christian militias to fight the man?
I backed it, and the recent update is very :allears: It doesn't seem to be backers-only, so you can read for yourself here. There's more than I'm reposting here, including how the various factions would go off the deep end in the case of imminent victory over the regime.

It describes the factions thusly....

quote:

The Old Men: A collective of libertarian militants, many of them veterans of foreign wars, who have declared war on an executive branch they believe has overstepped its Constitutional bounds and is emulating the very regimes that so many of their brothers died fighting.

The Faith: A fringe religious movement that became radicalized once it perceived the Regime's actions as an all-out assault on Christendom, thrusting the Faith into what they perceive as a final apocalyptic battle, the very Tribulations mentioned in the Book of Revelations.

The Makers: A loosely organized collective of entrepreneurs, industrialists, and venture capitalists who have decided that the Regime's interests no longer coincide with their own. Some are appalled by the Regime's actions on a moral level, some see it as just another federal grift of unprecedented scale.

The Party: The political and activist vanguard of a worker's revolution. They espouse the Marxist view that history is the continual struggle between the proletariat (i.e. workers) and the bourgeoisie (i.e. business and land owners). They see the Regime's excesses as the natural progression of capitalism.

Faced with an extreme emergency (which each group would define differently), these factions that otherwise detest one another now form a fragile popular front against the fascist Regime. It is important to note that none of these factions necessarily represent the socio-political zeitgeist they come from. The Old Men, for instance, are somewhat anomalous in the citizen militia subculture. They reject the white nationalism of many of their peers, not because they aren't racist (some of them are), but because they see dogmatic loyalty to the builders of an ethno-state as a sickening form of statism and surrender. The Party, likewise, has a tenuous relationship with many of the groups that compose the global Socialist movement. Dedicated to worker solidarity, freedom of movement, and the eradication of borders, they find themselves at odds with the Kremlin-apologists among them who cheer on Russian Imperialism.

e;fb

Kai Tave posted:



This game continues to look real dumb, which is disappointing.
Yeah, I was hoping for a more explicitly leftist/fight-the-power sort of thing, but it's not like I didn't get fair warning ahead of time. I am hoping there's enough cool and salvageable in here that it's not a total wash.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Kai Tave posted:



This game continues to look real dumb, which is disappointing.

haha holy poo poo

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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We need three different right-wing factions and only one leftist one. That is a proper and correct accounting of those who would resist.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Mors Rattus posted:

We need three different right-wing factions and only one leftist one. That is a proper and correct accounting of those who would resist.
Hell, not just that, fully half of them are libertarians of one focus or another.

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*
Never mind that the real world is teaching us right now that the fringe right will roll over and beg the moment an actual authoritarian comes to power.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Mors Rattus posted:

We need three different right-wing factions and only one leftist one. That is a proper and correct accounting of those who would resist.

Not only that but the one leftist group is basically What The Right Thinks Socialism Is, just waiting on tenterhooks to reintroduce Stalinist purges.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Yeah, it feels like all the criticisms from within the Kickstarter period have turned out to be spot-on.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Mors Rattus posted:

Yeah, it feels like all the criticisms from within the Kickstarter period have turned out to be spot-on.
Yeah, I was aware of them, but backed anyway because a lot of the other core ideas were pretty intriguing to me, and I figured I could at least warp it to my needs.

This is a lot worse than I was expecting, though. I mean, hell, the Regime propaganda posters on the campaign page are full of fear-mongering against 'soviets', 'liberals', 'immigrants', and ... something else. But yeah, it's a far-right fascist regime, and I am just not buying the idea that 3/4 of the resistance to it is from far-right splinter groups.

Serf
May 5, 2011


in a game about fighting a fascist state, what the gently caress are you supposed to be doing if stuff like the "last stand" and "vanguardism" ain't already happening? spray-painting on billboards? vlogging??

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.

Hiro Protagonist posted:

In non-Palladium news the people behind The Veil have a new cyberpunk rpg on Kickstarter, Hack the Planet, using Blades in the Dark. It's heavily based on climate fiction, a genre of sci fi imagining how climate change will affect the future. Instant back from me. I am so down for this.

Cannot say I'm impressed by not one but TWO blatant bootleg copies of Adam Jensen right in the first two art samples after the cover. gently caress's sake, people, weren't you presumed to have more creativity than that.


They look like ugly collages with ugly filters applied, but in my book that's more forgivable than ripping something off that openly.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Kai Tave posted:



This game continues to look real dumb, which is disappointing.

So, uh, you've got far-right Christians, far-right militia, captains of industry and what the Right thinks unions are working together and by their powers combined you have Stigmata?

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Dawgstar posted:

So, uh, you've got far-right Christians, far-right militia, captains of industry and what the Right thinks unions are working together and by their powers combined you have Stigmata?

I think the idea is that the PCs are their own quasi-independent faction of special people who can draw on the power of these weird number stations to turn into what essentially sound like demons from Demon: the Descent and that these factions are supposed to be "enemy of my enemy" allies of convenience to force you into making Hard Decisions about how to go about fighting the fascist regime, buuuuuuuuut all of them sound like awful assholes most of whom in the real world would be lining up to sign on with any sort of far-right regime. The whole thing is insanely loving stupid.

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

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Buy gold.
Ally with your choice of four factions that start out vile - and have your chance to take them through heinous to atrocious!

Ahhh, finally something to fill the hole in my life shaped like a forced alliance with a number of villainous parties.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Are they still keeping up the line that the Regime is politically neutral, has no place on the right/left axis, and that they are themselves not hardcore rightwing libertarian types?

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.

Mors Rattus posted:

Are they still keeping up the line that the Regime is politically neutral, has no place on the right/left axis, and that they are themselves not hardcore rightwing libertarian types?

As per the quoted table, the Regime looks quite fascist, and as the factions move along the arrows towards alliance with it, they themselves become (even more) fascist as well.
I mean, the game's subtitled "This signal kills fascists", that doesn't leave much wiggle room.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Mors Rattus posted:

Are they still keeping up the line that the Regime is politically neutral, has no place on the right/left axis, and that they are themselves not hardcore rightwing libertarian types?

How the gently caress do you have politically neutral fascism? How did this government come to power if the right wing, the left wing, the religious, and loving business is opposed to it? Is it some kind of Jon Stewart centrist fascism where they just kill anyone with a strong opinion?

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Nobody suspected the Neutral Planet until it was too late.

Serf
May 5, 2011


the fascist state that rose to power with the support of apparently no one and appears to have no actual goals or policies

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
It's like someone heard of the idea that fascism needs an eternal enemy to position itself against and came to the conclusion that more enemies means more fascist. The fascistest.

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.
Fight fascism with fascism?

First the fascists came for the other fascists, and we did not speak out because we were the only guys around holding our fingers crossed not to turn out to be the fascists too?

Yeah, I got nothing.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Foglet posted:

As per the quoted table, the Regime looks quite fascist, and as the factions move along the arrows towards alliance with it, they themselves become (even more) fascist as well.
I mean, the game's subtitled "This signal kills fascists", that doesn't leave much wiggle room.

See, you say that, but again, they think that the far right is opposed to fascism.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
*Ignores South Amercia for 70 years*
All liberals love cosplaying October

neaden
Nov 4, 2012

A changer of ways

Foglet posted:

Cannot say I'm impressed by not one but TWO blatant bootleg copies of Adam Jensen right in the first two art samples after the cover. gently caress's sake, people, weren't you presumed to have more creativity than that.


They look like ugly collages with ugly filters applied, but in my book that's more forgivable than ripping something off that openly.

Adam Jensen is just a genderbent Molly Millions so they are just stealing from Gibson like most cyberpunk.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer

Kai Tave posted:



This game continues to look real dumb, which is disappointing.

I like how nobody spotted 'tenants' instead of 'tenets'.

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.

neaden posted:

Adam Jensen is just a genderbent Molly Millions so they are just stealing from Gibson like most cyberpunk.

I meant the precise visual style down to details like the shape and positioning of facial seams and hexagonal stamps, as well as the design of prosthetic arms and hands. You cannot be serious saying "but that's how all cyborgs look in general", my optical recognition systems are practically screaming the 'distinct similarity' alarm signal.

Mr.Misfit
Jan 10, 2013

The time for
SkellyBones
has come!
What if it´s some sort of misunderstood sort of fascism? Like Gerontocratic Fascism...ie. Fascism by way of old people VS young people?

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
I think the bigger criticism I have of the art being previewed for Hack the Planet is that all of it basically looks like someone took a photo of a person and then sort of drew the clothes and cyberware around them.

neaden
Nov 4, 2012

A changer of ways

Foglet posted:

I meant the precise visual style down to details like the shape and positioning of facial seams and hexagonal stamps, as well as the design of prosthetic arms and hands. You cannot be serious saying "but that's how all cyborgs look in general", my optical recognition systems are practically screaming the 'distinct similarity' alarm signal.

Adam Jensen is super generic so yeah, I think you're seeing something that isn't there. The art is bad though.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Bieeanshee posted:

I like how nobody spotted 'tenants' instead of 'tenets'.

I loving SPOTTED IT

but I didn't feel like just posting on such a trivial thing because like 90% of everyone makes that mistake now, and it's so common that probably we're gonna just have to accept it as acceptable english soon.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

neaden posted:

Adam Jensen is super generic so yeah, I think you're seeing something that isn't there. The art is bad though.

Adam Jensen is super generic, so they had to be really blatant to rip him off.

I mean, skin seams on the face leading to hexagons on the temple is pretty drat specific. Circular depressions at the base of a raised oval thing on the cybernetic arms is pretty drat specific.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Mors Rattus posted:

Are they still keeping up the line that the Regime is politically neutral, has no place on the right/left axis, and that they are themselves not hardcore rightwing libertarian types?
I don't think so? I mean the artwork is pretty clear at least.

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.
Let's just all conclude that AJ, while potentially a jerk, at least wasn't a fascist and got his implants the good old honest-to-God way instead of growing them from a suspicious radio signal of dubious origin like some sort of Tetsuo the Iron Man.

Foglet fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Mar 1, 2018

Mr.Misfit
Jan 10, 2013

The time for
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Foglet posted:

Let's just all conclude that AJ, while potentially a jerk, at least wasn't a fascist and got his implants the good old honest-to-God way instead of growing them from a suspicious radio signal of dubious origin like some sort of Tetsuo the Iron Man.

By dying and having his body used against his will by his ultra-capitalist libertarian boss who thought it better to use his point man/chief of security a controllable murdermachine than let the poor man rest in peace after dying to a bunch of murderhobos?

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Man I've never been happier about not backing something. What a shitshow.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Man I've never been happier about not backing something. What a shitshow.
:smith:

neaden
Nov 4, 2012

A changer of ways

Mr.Misfit posted:

By dying and having his body used against his will by his ultra-capitalist libertarian boss who thought it better to use his point man/chief of security a controllable murdermachine than let the poor man rest in peace after dying to a bunch of murderhobos?

As Musk intended.

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Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

With all due respect if you had misgivings from the start I'm not sure why you decided to throw your money at it anyway instead of simply waiting to see if it funded, and then if it somehow magically turned out good picking it up after it was released.

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