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The Black Order struck me as really forgettable baddies outside of the fact that two of them were married with a kid. Neat designs, but most of them had really generic powers and personalities. There was also the weird thing where they acted like they were based around some tradition or culture that can't have existed for more than a year or two? Don't know if they ever got a proper origin, but it always struck me as odd given that Thanos had been out of circulation for good while before Infinity, so the idea that he'd founded this whole society struck me as a little weird unless there was some retconning regarding that.
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Nilbop posted:Gimme some more of those amazing Hickman-era Avengers creations. Where's Ex Nihilo at? Aren't we all clamouring for Marvel to bring back The Builders? Hey hey hey hit boring characters like Nightmask and PTSD Captain Universe are not technically Hickman co-creations, those names have been around for years!  Jokes aside though, Hickman did a lot of good Avengers work and I love the first half of it but there is a lot of wasted potential and plots that go nowhere during that whole run. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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Man, the end of yesterday’s Deadpool was soul crushing.
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What would I like to see Hickman writing at Marvel... ah, that's right, nothing. I want 12 issues of Black Monday Murders a year instead. For real though, Hickman's run made me give a poo poo about the Avengers in a way I never did before or have since. And sure there were so many factions of mysterious enemies that they were confusing and redundant at times, and occasionally a definite sense of throwing poo poo at the walls to see what sticks, but the good stuff totally outweighed the lackluster stuff, in my opinion anyway.
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https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/969605008210714624 Doctor Strange...IN SPPAAAAACCCCCEEEEEE
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Nilbop posted:Jesus Christ you can't say that poo poo to me when I'm talking about Ex Nihilo and whatever the gently caress that Earth self-defense weapon was supposed to be called. Didn't Aaron use starbrand for avengers BC?
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site posted:Didn't Aaron use starbrand for avengers BC? Starbrand wasn't a Hickman creation, in any case
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Mar 2, 2018 17:28
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Mar 2, 2018 17:31
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Star Brand and Nightmask were from Jim Shooter’s and Archie Goodwin’s New Universe books in the ‘80s.
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site posted:Whaaa, really?
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They may not have had legs beyond Avengers but his use of the New Universe was excellent and I wished he'd done more.
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Mar 2, 2018 17:38
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Dang I totally thought those two were brand new characters lol
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Yeah, Starbrand was part of a "new IPs" line push from the 80s called the New Universe. It was initially set in a different continuity, with the other New Universe titles, but made the jump to 616 at some point along the way.
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The original brand followed Quasar over from the NU. The Hickman version was not the same brand however.
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Quasar is new u too? Learning all sorts of stuff this morning
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X-O posted:Man, the end of yesterday’s Deadpool was soul crushing. every issue of Deadpool since him killing Coulson has been despair mixed with the darkest comedy
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site posted:Quasar is new u too? Learning all sorts of stuff this morning No, but there was an issue of his book by Mark Gruenwald where he went to the New Universe by mistake, and had to borrow the Star Brand to make it back. Then, IIRC, it turned out the Star Brand hadn't stayed in the NU like he'd thought and his secretary wound up with it for a while.
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OGB posted:https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/969605008210714624 Oh good, I hope he finally remembers to rescue Casey.
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Mar 2, 2018 18:45
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Blockhouse posted:every issue of Deadpool since him killing Coulson has been despair mixed with the darkest comedy Yeah but the last few pages of this one were even darker, with no comedy. Just a broken jokeless Deadpool that realized all to well the horror of the situation he was in and for a moment felt the full weight of the task he was doing.
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Android Blues posted:Yeah, Starbrand was part of a "new IPs" line push from the 80s called the New Universe. It was initially set in a different continuity, with the other New Universe titles, but made the jump to 616 at some point along the way. When Starbrand showed up I kept hoping that DP7 would suddenly appear too. Less so Spitfire, I always thought the armour was kinda goofy and the story a warmed over iron man.
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Scaramouche posted:When Starbrand showed up I kept hoping that DP7 would suddenly appear too. Less so Spitfire, I always thought the armour was kinda goofy and the story a warmed over iron man. Close your eyes and imagine Hickman's version of Kickers, Inc with me
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Gottdamn Ottlely on Spider-Man is so good, followed immediately by Nick Spencer is so loving bad.
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Scaramouche posted:When Starbrand showed up I kept hoping that DP7 would suddenly appear too. Less so Spitfire, I always thought the armour was kinda goofy and the story a warmed over iron man.
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Mar 2, 2018 19:44
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Man, I hate how artists at one point always drew womens costumes being thongs or in the process of becoming a thong though wedgie. Probably why this exchange exists 
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twistedmentat posted:Man, I hate how artists at one point always drew womens costumes being thongs or in the process of becoming a thong though wedgie. Get your sjw agenda out of my comics
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Mar 2, 2018 19:53
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What costume are they talking about here? I don't remember any Spider-Woman costume being particularly bad outside of the usual ridiculous skin-tightness.
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Please don’t post the image. You know the one.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Please don’t post the image. You know the one. Butt I must!
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JordanKai posted:What costume are they talking about here? I don't remember any Spider-Woman costume being particularly bad outside of the usual ridiculous skin-tightness. They're talking about the usual ridiculous skin-tightness.
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X-O posted:Man, the end of yesterday’s Deadpool was soul crushing. I have literally never read a run of a comic that is both this depressing and this well-written. This is some incredible Deadpool.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:They're talking about the usual ridiculous skin-tightness. Not everyone can have Dick Greyson's confidence in his rear end, it's understandable.
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twistedmentat posted:Man, I hate how artists at one point always drew womens costumes being thongs or in the process of becoming a thong though wedgie. While this run was phenomenal, this scene does drip with the irony that it's being drawn by Greg frickin' Land.
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Gaz-L posted:While this run was phenomenal, this scene does drip with the irony that it's being drawn by Greg frickin' Land. It also drips with something incredibly annoying whenever a writer wants to do a new costume/name "To ensure the new one gets over, lets poo poo on the old one!" This chat just raises the question, if you were all so embarrassed to 'fly with your asses out' Then why did you? Peer pressure? Yeah out of universe it's because that was there character design, but now in-universe you have to explain why it was they did it in the first place, and this can be very stupid, I think my favorite of those moments was She-Hulk complaining about being 'She'-Hulk. When she's the one who came up with her name! No one in-universe named her She-Hulk. And this is especially stupid because it wasn't Jen breaking the 4th wall as she's done many times to talk about the out-of-universe reasons behind why she got the name. It was entirely focused in the frame of the narrative with no wiggle room. I personally hate scenes like this because it rarely if ever actually makes sense from an in-narrative perspective. It's basically just following the "Guide to being like Hawkeye and Batgirl, without any actual creative nuance or identity."      The thing is, these are all things that work on a meta-narrative perspective, "Z-Listers are silly and goofy" works from outside because well... they are, but in-universe, these people often have pretty insane powers or abilities that could reasonably make them very rich if they went legit, things way beyond the understanding of plebs. And this isn't the same thing as things like Sauron and "But you could cure cancer!" "But I don't want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs" That's a comedic thing about those characters motivations that work within the scope of the narrative. I mean maybe I'm just a stuffed shirt who finds stuff like this more annoying than I should, but I squarely blame it for the current Marvel problem of "Every villain is a joke and the Heroes always fight other Heroes."
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I've only noticed the z-lister thing with Nick Spencer to be honest.
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Counterpoint: the Spider-Woman series did pretty much all of that and was awesome 
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BrianWilly posted:Counterpoint: the Spider-Woman series did pretty much all of that and was awesome I loved everything about that series and a half.
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The art for the Die Hard in a Maternity Ward (in space) arc was amazing
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Was that the same spider woman with the amazing issue about how much motherhood sucked?
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BrianWilly posted:Counterpoint: the Spider-Woman series did pretty much all of that and was awesome I'm aware, the panels I posted are a parody of that series. And... look you're allowed to enjoy that, I personally find it really shallow and lovely but like... that's me, I have weird taste.
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Onmi posted:It also drips with something incredibly annoying whenever a writer wants to do a new costume/name "To ensure the new one gets over, lets poo poo on the old one!" This chat just raises the question, if you were all so embarrassed to 'fly with your asses out' Then why did you? Peer pressure? Yeah out of universe it's because that was there character design, but now in-universe you have to explain why it was they did it in the first place, and this can be very stupid, I think my favorite of those moments was She-Hulk complaining about being 'She'-Hulk. When she's the one who came up with her name! No one in-universe named her She-Hulk. And this is especially stupid because it wasn't Jen breaking the 4th wall as she's done many times to talk about the out-of-universe reasons behind why she got the name. It was entirely focused in the frame of the narrative with no wiggle room. were these made by that one dude on tumblr who rewrites the word bubbles on comics to make them "more honest" and has clearly spent far too much time on the comic section of 4chan because they sure read like it
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