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Guy Goodbody posted:broke: Cyberpunk (it's probably best with unknown armies)
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Guy Goodbody posted:broke: Cyberpunk Bespoke: OregonPunk A tale of a band of social undesirables in a dystopian America taking the trail from Missouri to the free state of Oregon.
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Mar 2, 2018 20:06
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Bespoke: OregonPunk The Postman is an example of the oregonpunk genre,[3][4][5][6] though it predated the genre name.
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Mar 2, 2018 20:19
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So Chad Walker updated over on SIGMATA with an example of playtest scenario :quote:During a playtest campaign this month, taking place in a Resistance stronghold in Miami, Resistance leadership faced a strategic challenge and brought in the Receivers to negotiate the outcome. The problem at hand was that, because of a (failing) Regime-backed counter-revolutionary coup in Cuba, refugees from both sides of that conflict were pouring into Florida. The Regime had no interested in providing sanctuary even for those who fought at its behest. In fact, they even permitted zealous militia-types to rent yachts and "defend the borders," much like the yahoos in real life who voluntarily patrol desert borders in America for a chance to murder some of the most vulnerable people on Earth. The Faction leads had conflicting views on what to do about the refugees. Some wanted to take them all in, some wanted to deny them all, and some wanted to take them in so they could set up tribunals for the counter-revolutionaries among them. Presented these three options (with the vehemence and talking points we'd expect) and asked to support one, the Receivers developed and proposed a fourth option: to take everyone in while also disseminating disinformation to them, in order to see who would act on this information, thereby identifying who actually posed a legitimate counter-revolutionary threat to the movement. It wasn't a perfect solution, but it was a solution each faction could begrudgingly live with, simultaneously appealing to both the humanists among them as well as those who prioritized "control." The players navigated a somewhat grotesque ideological squabble, and at least for one day, and avoided a showdown with hardliners. They won't be able to do it every time, especially as the pressure continues to ratchet up. As someone called out here, that absolutely reads like the Factions should be parts of the Regime, because that whole scenario is basically predicated on the right wing militia concept of the Old Men.
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Mar 2, 2018 20:23
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Liquid Communism posted:So Chad Walker updated over on SIGMATA with an example of playtest scenario : this is incoherent garbage, but it almost sounds like the factions are a separate obstacle from the regime, which could work, but not as your allies. like if you're just some randos with superpowers and you have to contend with a fascist regime and a bunch of extremists squabbling over who is gonna run things after the regime goes down, sure ok. but that's not how its written and leaving that aside, the scenario as presented is dumb as gently caress because 3/4 of the factions would be against letting immigrants in, and the party is just so terribly written that there's no basis in reality for what it would do
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Mar 2, 2018 20:49
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DalaranJ posted:I’d much rather see an rpg that was the focus of a gesamtkunstwerk. Like the package comes with with a soundtrack, and candles/incense and adjustable color lightbulbs. That sounds infinitely more interesting than "plastic hand", so no.
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Mar 2, 2018 21:00
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The fact that the Batman Kickstarter game is Kickstarter Exclusive is really irritating. It seems like a product that actually would do pretty well through conventional channels, and it would be a awful one to find out about it at any point after the funding period if you are a Batman fan.
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Mar 2, 2018 21:12
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Lord_Hambrose posted:The fact that the Batman Kickstarter game is Kickstarter Exclusive is really irritating. It seems like a product that actually would do pretty well through conventional channels, and it would be a awful one to find out about it at any point after the funding period if you are a Batman fan. This is what has me pissed. I don't have the money for it right now, and it means I'll never have it.
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Mar 2, 2018 21:18
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Alien Rope Burn posted:In the meantime, I will continue to push my genre innovation of Electropunk, which is is based on my game setting where the world becomes dependent on alternating current. In it, an overclass uses the control and wealth of the dangerous industries that produce this fanciful energy to manipulate the underclasses and claim power. The world's superpowers become dominated by a decadent, neo-fascist elite that unites in the interest of undermining and crushing dissent to their rule. Pretty sure the first time I heard "Electropunk" was the original Zybourne Clock thread.
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Mar 2, 2018 22:09
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Lord_Hambrose posted:The fact that the Batman Kickstarter game is Kickstarter Exclusive is really irritating. It seems like a product that actually would do pretty well through conventional channels, and it would be a awful one to find out about it at any point after the funding period if you are a Batman fan. It wouldn't. It's like 3 huge boxes full of poo poo. Ton of shelf space plus an entry point of 140 dollars, pricing out the casual Batman fan.
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Mar 2, 2018 23:23
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OgreNoah posted:So are there any Kickstarters up right now that don't look like poo poo? I try to follow this thread but it's about 100% complaining (rightfully) about awful games. Most of the decent looking Kickstarters I've pledged to have already passed funding and are into the production and final delivery stages. The Spire just sent out pdfs to backers and are talking about getting things to the printer within a matter of weeks, Unity RPG is in the same place, Legacy: Life Among the Ruins 2E just sent pdfs out as well. Boardgame-wise, Level 99 says they're working on getting the Argent 2E stuff put together for production and the second Exceed season is being sent to distribution centers.
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Mar 2, 2018 23:27
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Liquid Communism posted:So Chad Walker updated over on SIGMATA with an example of playtest scenario : Oh my gosh. He's also adapting the Bay of Pigs to his sassy little extreme right-wing game. :  :
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Mar 2, 2018 23:52
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The Moon Monster posted:Pretty sure the first time I heard "Electropunk" was the original Zybourne Clock thread. After "Stormpunk" I can't be surprised by the emergence of a new fauxpunk.
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Mar 3, 2018 00:39
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Alien Rope Burn posted:After "Stormpunk" I can't be surprised by the emergence of a new fauxpunk. I heard a former literary editor say that when he was in the business, the best selling books were all about either vampires or Perfect Storms. He suggested to every writer he worked with that they should write a book where vampires fought perfect storms, but none of them did. I'm just going to assume that's what stormpunk is.
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Mar 3, 2018 00:44
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Liquid Communism posted:So Chad Walker updated over on SIGMATA with an example of playtest scenario : "Today in our game we had to choose between letting in no immigrants, letting in some immigrants, and letting in all the immigrants but killing some, so we chose option 4, which was option 3 but only killing the ones we were really, really sure about. For some reason this satisfied everyone."
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Mar 3, 2018 01:28
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Nuns with Guns posted:"Today in our game we had to choose between letting in no immigrants, letting in some immigrants, and letting in all the immigrants but killing some, so we chose option 4, which was option 3 but only killing the ones we were really, really sure about. For some reason this satisfied everyone." Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are top-tier backers of this game
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Mar 3, 2018 01:40
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gradenko_2000 posted:Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are top-tier backers of this game Chad posted:Chad Walker Creator I am beginning to feel that Mr. Walker may be an alt-right apologist.
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Mar 3, 2018 01:54
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Fuckin' REDNECK REVOLT?!?!? That actually makes me physically angry. Below is the very first statement from the top of Redneck Revolt's "About" page: quote:The concept of community is very important to our goals and intentions, because it separates us from those who work only in defense of their immediate family, property, and possessions. We find that many movements that uphold the concept of liberty do so only in an individualist mindset, which undermines the idea that liberty is something that all people are entitled to. We strongly believe that the concept of liberty can not truly exist on an individual level alone, and that any class, race, or state construct that enslaves and oppresses anyone among us is a threat to the liberty of all of us. With that in mind, we use the term "community" intentionally to describe those who share the same material conditions with us; our neighbors, our family members, our friends, the people working alongside us. Most of us are only one bad emergency away from disaster; a sustained layoff, medical emergency, or death in the family could take away everything we've worked for. In those situations, the people we turn to for support often have as little as us, but understand better than anyone how tenuous and important our support network is. That is our community. This fuckin Chad guy is a real dumb piece of poo poo. He really thinks you can meld this philosophy in a "medley" with libertarianism. What a foolish joke. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 01:56
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redneck revolt would be one of the 17,000 sub-factions that make up the party lol come on chad
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Mar 3, 2018 03:12
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Alien Rope Burn posted:After "Stormpunk" I can't be surprised by the emergence of a new fauxpunk. At this point I pretty much just see -punk as an aesthetic label rather than any sort of concrete set of themes...it's just become this thing that means "contains technology used in an anachronistic way". Steampunk has primitive technology used to fill more advanced roles, while cyberpunk has advanced technology in a socially primitive setting. Dieselpunk is essentially just steampunk, but the machines run on internal combustion engines. Atompunk is the same but everything has a nuclear reactor and fins. Cavepunk is steampunk with rocks. I'd say the best fauxpunk term for what this setting seems to be is "tapepunk". Super-advanced computers running on reel-to-reel systems, micro VHS data tapes, etc.
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Mar 3, 2018 03:17
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I feel like Steampunk was where the boat shifted, and honestly exactly for that reason. With cyberpunk, you're taking the shiny wrapping of the future and showing the scummy layer underneath, where even if the tech is progressive the society itself is very regressive. Steampunk, meanwhile, takes the low technology of steam and pairs it with a more optimistic society, hence why it seems more about science, wonder, and adventure. Killed the word punk, though, by turning it into basically an aesthetic label.
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Mar 3, 2018 03:26
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steampunk fails because its so rarely about fighting the system and way more about wearing tophats with gears on 'em while doing the imperialism
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Mar 3, 2018 03:28
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"Punk" just sounds cooler than "period setting" or "anachronistic setting", I suppose. But with something like Necromech, the emphasis seems to be on supernatural stuff and psychics, which makes the whole thing seem even more divorced from the veneer of having technological themes.
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Mar 3, 2018 03:35
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The Bee posted:I feel like Steampunk was where the boat shifted, and honestly exactly for that reason. With cyberpunk, you're taking the shiny wrapping of the future and showing the scummy layer underneath, where even if the tech is progressive the society itself is very regressive. Steampunk, meanwhile, takes the low technology of steam and pairs it with a more optimistic society, hence why it seems more about science, wonder, and adventure.
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Mar 3, 2018 04:19
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I really want to feed Major Cogswoggle-Fairbarne his own bespoke monocle. Is there a steampunk game that will let me do that?
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Mar 3, 2018 04:22
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Henker posted:I always thought it was weird how optimistic steampunk is compared to cyberpunk, especially considering how grim the Victorian era actually was. Massive income inequality, pollution on a scale never seen before, horrendous workers' rights, general exploitation and destruction of the environment, colonialism, genocide of Native American populations in the States, etc. You had the British Raj during this period, and that was somehow still an upgrade over the previous situation where an evil mega-corporation straight up owned the country. It's basically just a utopian setting for cosplayers to have fun with, which shouldn't have punk in the name. I think a lot of the historical crimes and bigotry get papered over (or whitewashed) so everyone can play every role without people going "actually you'd be a second class citizen" all the time, and I guess if you're creating what's essentially a fantasy utopia setting, it makes sense that being better than our actual history is part of the deal.
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Mar 3, 2018 04:28
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Henker posted:I always thought it was weird how optimistic steampunk is compared to cyberpunk, especially considering how grim the Victorian era actually was. Massive income inequality, pollution on a scale never seen before, horrendous workers' rights, general exploitation and destruction of the environment, colonialism, genocide of Native American populations in the States, etc. You had the British Raj during this period, and that was somehow still an upgrade over the previous situation where an evil mega-corporation straight up owned the country. I want to see Colonel Gearsworth's steam-powered zepplin with a "fuel efficiency" measured in preteens dead from heat exhaustion in the engine room. "We've landed in port. Round up some more riffraff from the gutters, I want to be airborne again by teatime tomorrow."
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Mar 3, 2018 04:30
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Bruceski posted:I want to see Colonel Gearsworth's steam-powered zepplin with a "fuel efficiency" measured in preteens dead from heat exhaustion in the engine room. This is basically how ships work in Rogue Trader.
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Mar 3, 2018 05:36
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Serf posted:steampunk fails because its so rarely about fighting the system and way more about wearing tophats with gears on 'em while doing the imperialism pretty much, for RPGs Victoriana is the only one I've seen that makes any effort at all to say 'ok but you guys know the point of the story is to fight for the common man right' but even then it gets tripped over its own dick multiple times.
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Mar 3, 2018 05:37
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Every time steampunk comes up, I just think of this by Kate Beaton.
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Mar 3, 2018 06:00
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oriongates posted:I'd say the best fauxpunk term for what this setting seems to be is "tapepunk". Super-advanced computers running on reel-to-reel systems, micro VHS data tapes, etc. You might be interested in this: http://www.alexvaranese.com/work/alt1977 Alt-70s retrofuturistic designs for modern-ish portable electronics. Basically everything has wood paneling with low res LCDs.  There's also a TTRPG that debuted on 4chan called Modempunk which is basically cyberpunk but more 80s retrofuturistic. Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 07:06
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the flintstones is rockpunk
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Mar 3, 2018 07:35
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Instead of Nazipunk, Unit-731-punk. Just a bunch of horrible science experiments of mutated humanoids sewn together and plagued with various diseases. What about romanpunk/greekpunk tho.
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Mar 3, 2018 07:39
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FirstAidKite posted:Instead of Nazipunk, Unit-731-punk. Sandlepunk
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Mar 3, 2018 10:10
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Steampunk literally started as a joke because like Tim Powers and a couple other folks were publishing stuff set in the 1800s in the same sci-fi/fantasy magazines that early cyberpunk started in and someone in a letters column was like "Haha, what do we call this anyway, Steampunk?" The Difference Engine was basically taking that joke and running with it, and then most stuff after that was people missing the joke entirely. Airship Pirates is all about fighting the Neo-Victorian Man, and is also weirdly self-aware in that the horrible society was in-setting created by letting Steampunk nerds get a time machine and try to reshape history to their aesthetic whim. (Sadly, it also shares a system with Victoriana.)
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Mar 3, 2018 10:14
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When you think about it, SA itself is the ultimate forumpunk experience.
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Mar 3, 2018 12:05
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Fuckin' REDNECK REVOLT?!?!? That actually makes me physically angry. The level of political naivety involved in everything written there is absolutely hilarious.
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Mar 3, 2018 12:08
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Arcanum did a good job of being a (fantasy) steampunk setting where the political issues weren't ignored. Pity about the mechanical issues with the game.
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Mar 3, 2018 12:16
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I bet you could take Code Name S.T.E.A.M. and turn that into a decent miniatures strategy game and it'd probably be better than the original game (that's not saying much though). Are there any board games out there that did what stuff like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Code Name S.T.E.A.M. did and made a game out of playing as public domain characters teaming up to fight off evil?
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:the flintstones is rockpunk Inspector Gadget is dadpunk
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