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I have not reached the point where I can do this but allegedly fire grandma’s broken setup is a bolt staff with as much crit chance as possible and the effect that makes you vent some heat on a crit
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If you like saltzpyre's rapier, give sienna's ceremonial dagger a shot. I find it behaves similarly under most circumstances, and I didn't have any range issues when using it. The thing seems to have a healthy amount of razor wind on its swings. Boy howdy is her default career garbage, though.
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I thought they were In the area because the Skaven have teleportation gates that Nurgle Chaos are using to invade the Empire from the South for a change. You breaking it in the first game has pissed in their chips and they are not happy
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Coolguye posted:yes, WHC simply existing means that all marked enemies take 25% more damage. he needn't mark them. he needn't hit them himself. he needn't even be nearby. lune can probably post the associated LUA, he and i were reviewing some of this junk last weekend. That actually makes that ability a lot more useful than I initially thought, since I was sure it had to be Saltzpyre doing the marking. Very good to know (once I actually get around to playing it that is.
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Zhulik posted:If you like saltzpyre's rapier, give sienna's ceremonial dagger a shot. I find it behaves similarly under most circumstances, and I didn't have any range issues when using it. The thing seems to have a healthy amount of razor wind on its swings. i like how pyromancer gets a trait at level 10 which doubles the rate you passively vent heat as long as someone's carrying a grimoire, straight up giving it a far superior version of the battle wizard's entire passive bonus that doesn't turn off for 8 seconds every time you use a staff, while also having it's own passive and active abilities that aren't worthless, effectively obsoleting battle wizard entirely if you've grabbed a grimoire Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Mar 5, 2018 18:42
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Why exactly are sniper weapons subject to ranged damage falloff in the first place?
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Mar 5, 2018 18:45
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Why does ranged falloff exist at all?
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Mar 5, 2018 18:53
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Anyone have any gifs handy that I can use to show this game off to my friend who I'm trying to convince to buy this?
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That Gobbo posted:An expansion of a group of 5 orcs looking for a good fight. Friendly fire has to be on by default.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:56
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Lunethex posted:Why does ranged falloff exist at all? Because they couldn’t think of a better way to justify ranged careers than kneecapping ranged weapons across the board and making ranged careers undo those disadvantages
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Mar 5, 2018 19:02
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explosivo posted:Anyone have any gifs handy that I can use to show this game off to my friend who I'm trying to convince to buy this?
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Mar 5, 2018 19:04
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Fans posted:I thought they were In the area because the Skaven have teleportation gates that Nurgle Chaos are using to invade the Empire from the South for a change. the skittergate is the reason that the nurgle warband is in the area, yes. the team did nothing to break it as of the start of VT2, though. the gray seer from VT1 basically refocused after losing a lot of his clan in the ubersreik debacle and forged an alliance with the warband to get his plans back on track. the skittergate is unreliable but that's way more because skaven engineering sucks than anything we've seen the team do.
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I mean, I don't think having to fire more than 1 shot to kill specials is a bug or some terrible gameplay flaw. Like, poo poo, you actually have to put effort into killing specials right now, oh no the horror. I just shoot a few times no matter what, if I waste an arrow here and there it's not a huge deal, that poo poo happens anyway with the usual gangbang on specials as soon as they appear. If I happen to land a headshot instead of a bodyshot, then great, if not they usually stagger a little and don't shoot people which is vastly more important than killing in one hit imo. Handguns probably need a step up in power since they reload so slow, but everything else is fine. Plus we're not remotely at the point where everyone is getting maxed out gear. There is a ceiling on Hero Power, and that will be where weapon balance matters. Until then, just use the poo poo that works for you and isn't obviously terrible.
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I really itch to see every career talent tree but I can't find a resource online (and obvs am not close to just having all heroes level 14). Anybody got a list?
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The Gate posted:I mean, I don't think having to fire more than 1 shot to kill specials is a bug or some terrible gameplay flaw. Like, poo poo, you actually have to put effort into killing specials right now, oh no the horror. I just shoot a few times no matter what, if I waste an arrow here and there it's not a huge deal, that poo poo happens anyway with the usual gangbang on specials as soon as they appear. If I happen to land a headshot instead of a bodyshot, then great, if not they usually stagger a little and don't shoot people which is vastly more important than killing in one hit imo. Handguns probably need a step up in power since they reload so slow, but everything else is fine. Plus we're not remotely at the point where everyone is getting maxed out gear. There is a ceiling on Hero Power, and that will be where weapon balance matters. Until then, just use the poo poo that works for you and isn't obviously terrible. one shotting high value targets is literally what sniper weapons are for and the only one that currently does it well is the elf longbow. kruber's has the power but his has enough spread to make it unreliable at its job. that's kind of an issue tbh. handguns and crossbows both are affected by this. "you can only judge it in a specific situation that comes after playing the game for dozens of hours" is also not convincing argument to me.
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“The feature is fine because it eventually becomes obsolete” is a compelling argument for its existence
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God, I can't wait to try and make mods for Vermintide. Things I have in mind: -Rat sticks (nailbats) as weapons (maybe modified maces/hammers?) -Huntsman Kruber as Doomguy and replacing the blunderbuss with the super shotgun, including sound effects -Model replacements fitting the characters' personalities/mechanics.
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Mar 5, 2018 19:25
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Ranged fall off doesn’t make much sense at all when the limiter for non ranged classes of having less ammo is already pretty solid. How much does it affect damage?
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Mar 5, 2018 19:25
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Night10194 posted:There are two ways Saltz's arrest of Sienna can be interpreted, based on how she mentions he didn't have anything to do with her original crimes and investigation (when she burned that dude alive in a mill). Either he had an inkling Ubersreik was about to go down and so made sure he'd be in the area with a Battle Wizard magic addict who is about to be told the only way to save the world is to do every bit of this cocaine and a badass hero of the Empire soldier as 'escort', or he legitimately wanted to make sure she got to Altdorf safely to be judged by the Orders of Magic and tried to give a grieving soldier an 'important' job (that happens to pass through his hometown of Ubersreik, where he'd just been denied leave) on the way. Saltzpyre was hunting for a job that took him to Ubersreik as a favor for Kruber, who had been requesting time off to see his family before Saltzpyre commandeered him as a bodyguard. That's my interpretation of why Saltzpyre was so interested in the job, but it's also 100% canon and makes the most sense. Shame Kruber's family happened to all be dead of the plague.
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And of course, Saltzpyre fell in love with Sienna and that's why she's still around and they're going to get married after this game's over.
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Nanomashoes posted:And of course, Saltzpyre fell in love with Sienna and that's why she's still around and they're going to get married after 
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Lunethex posted:Why does ranged falloff exist at all? I mean, you've all probably played the game more than me, but I'd jokingly say it's to discourage new players from standing at range with non-ranged classes and encourage them to get stuck in melee and kill rats. It's definitely annoying if you're a VT1 vet, though.
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Nanomashoes posted:And of course, Saltzpyre fell in love with Sienna and that's why she's still around and they're going to get married after this game's over. And then she gets him pregnant
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LuiCypher posted:I mean, you've all probably played the game more than me, but I'd jokingly say it's to discourage new players from standing at range with non-ranged classes and encourage them to get stuck in melee and kill rats. It's definitely annoying if you're a VT1 vet, though. trust me when i say that the low ammo counts will force this behavior independent of falloff
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How's Kruber's Repeater this time around? It was very mediocre in VT1 until the big rebalance after which it was by far my favourite ranged weapon.
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LuiCypher posted:I mean, you've all probably played the game more than me, but I'd jokingly say it's to discourage new players from standing at range with non-ranged classes and encourage them to get stuck in melee and kill rats. It's definitely annoying if you're a VT1 vet, though. I know you’re joking but for the sake of preempting any similar argument people try to make for why it’s somehow necessary, the fact that two careers don’t have falloff at all automatically invalidates this
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Coolguye posted:this is an IIRC moment so i might be wrong but: the other thing to note, though, is that it actually takes longer for a lot of sniper weapons to hit their required breakpoints because when you hit an arbitrary amount of HP to get a damage upgrade, they gain just as much as everything else. the easiest breakpoints to show this off with are any of the 100x breakpoints, so equip something that gives you, for example, 95 hero power, shoot at a dummy, and then equip something else to bring you up to 100 and shoot again. if my memory serves me right it's the same 25 damage everything else gets, no regard given for the fact that these slow firing weapons have much lower ROFs and therefore gain much less in overall damage output. It doesn't help that the dummies don't seem to reflect damage done when you're actually playing. For example the shades 50% backstab bonus doesn't work at all on dummies.
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Digirat posted:I know you’re joking but for the sake of preempting any similar argument people try to make for why it’s somehow necessary, the fact that two careers don’t have falloff at all automatically invalidates this The devs obviously wanted specialized roles. How well they succeeded in this is up for debate.
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Mordja posted:How's Kruber's Repeater this time around? It was very mediocre in VT1 until the big rebalance after which it was by far my favourite ranged weapon. its accuracy blows rear end again so leave it in the trash
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Fans posted:I thought they were In the area because the Skaven have teleportation gates that Nurgle Chaos are using to invade the Empire from the South for a change. *Well, apart from GW wanting to sell easily-copyrightable Aelf and Stormcast EternalStorms of Storming Eternally miniatures in AoS Zephro fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Have I been misinformed, or is the Dwarf Ranger, a ranged class, susceptible to falloff anyways? It doesn't even make sense as a class balancer.
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dwarf ranger is subject to falloff, yes. the overall effect is to incentivize using the grudgeraker even more.
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Ranged Falloff would've been fine as a specific thing on a couple of weapons rather than an across the board idea. The thing that annoys me most is the variable hits-to-stick being based on power partly, because it makes it a lot harder to tell how many dudes I can keep bullied at a time as compared to ratfight 1. At the same time I've re-unlocked hobo-with-a-shotgun Kruber and I have to say I'm unhappy they robbed him of his previous silly burgher hat for the hood. At the same time you guys weren't kidding about 'hit F to equip portable cannon'.
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Digirat posted:I have not reached the point where I can do this but allegedly fire grandma’s broken setup is a bolt staff with as much crit chance as possible and the effect that makes you vent some heat on a crit If you're level 25, you also have the option of getting a staff trait that reduces the cooldown on your talent ability by 5% per crit, and then the talent that makes you vent all overcharge when you use your talent ability. You're basically trading a slight amount of horde killing power in exchange for your Delete Special button being always up. Either way is busted as hell.
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What the hell? Crafted a new 181 executioner's sword for Huntsman Kruber to replace his old 151 ES. It raises his hero power from 292 to 298. However, it does less damage, with the best case scenario (crit heavy headshot) having a difference of 1k damage (6k old vs 7k new)? Muddying the waters even more, his blunderbuss has no damage difference between the two swords? The hell is going on? EDIT: Now the same thing's happening with Saltzpyre and a new set of pistols. What's up with this math? toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Mar 5, 2018 20:16
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Mikedawson posted:God, I can't wait to try and make mods for Vermintide. Elf voice for rats Rat voice for elf
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