Fans posted:

Slayer can take two melee weapons, just take a sweeping weapon for dealing with hordes like either of the maces. One hand mace in particular cleans up hordes real nice.

Kanos posted:

Each item goes up to 300 individually, but the amount that your items add to your hero power is an average of all of your items' power. So if you have 5 Power 100 items equipped you get +100 hero power, but if you have 2 Power 100 items and 3 Power 50 items you only get +70 hero power.

The max hero power is 600; 300 from being level 30 and 300 from having 5 power 300 items equipped.

The Gate posted:

How do you actually assign the second weapon, though? Mine will only let me pick the slot 1 weapon, slot 2 is permanently a power 5 two-handed hammer.

Night10194 posted:

I've been thinking about it a little and the reason the Ranged stuff stands out is because in most places, the classes are designed around 'What CAN you do now that you couldn't in VT1?', with stuff like Merc Kruber's shout and higher targets hit and Paced Strikes, etc.

Only in the matter of ranged is it 'What COULD you do in VT1 that you can't do now unless you're this class', since they greatly lowered ammo, added in things like falloff, etc comparatively, and so it sticks out as feeling off.

Coolguye posted:

well the weird thing is, if you presume it's implemented well, hero power will probably make balancing easier for Fatshark, but make it harder for players.

i talked about this a bit in the discord a couple nights ago, but when you have the VT1 setup, the issue you run into is that as you add permutations of heroes and equipment evaluated against each threat you present, mathematically the entire situation gets out of hand extremely quickly. if you instead set up weapons such that they are to adhere to their tags rather than some obscure design document that came out about the weapon months or even years ago, you can punt on the specific mathematics of the implementation if you have a sliding scale like hero power. a crowd control weapon should, at x hero power, knock y dudes. a high damage weapon should, at z hero power, kill a in b hits and c in d hits. this doesn't really reduce the number of meaningful choices since the combinations of tags are always different per character. this makes it really easy to go 'ah, norscans are too heavy right now because at 200 hero power, the crowd control weapons are only knocking down 2 of them before getting stuck - they should be able to handle 4 before that happens' or whatever have you. you can then make the focused change that you have isolated (whatever that is), test it quickly with an appropriate hero/tag combination, and call it good - it will affect both Kruber's hammer and Bardin's axe/shield similarly since they both have Crowd Control on them.

this is a pretty nice deal for the developers since it becomes much easier to reason about when something is wrong and what it should do; it's exactly the sort of environment i would try to build if i was in charge since it means i can make balance changes quicker, safer, and with lower impact. but for players, these breakpoints aren't public or easily discernable, so for them, things just start magically working at a certain point and they're not sure why or what happened - and that's really the thing that needs to change. again, even if it's just the courtyard allowing you to spawn illusory, passive enemies instead of using the dummies, i feel like that would be enough. being able to just play with your gear and build in a somewhat real setting would pretty much eliminate all the big problems with hero power right now because at least all the details would be discoverable. right now, they're just not.

comatose posted:

You just equip it the same way you equip any gear. If thats not working for you then it sounds like something got hosed up.

BigHead posted:

Can someone explain switching heroes and switching gear? As in, say I play a game as Elf and have my 100 power trinket and necklace equipped. Then the next game I switch to dwarf. Is the burden on me to go in and manually switch to my best items every time I switch dudes? I still haven't figured out what happens if, after I switch everything to the dwarf, I then play the next game as elf, but forget to switch everything back to her character.

Also, in the crafting screen, does it only display unequipped items? The crafting screen just lumping all of the trinkets and what have you on one display not knowing which five of each type are equipped where (are there five equipped at any given time?!) is confusing.

That being said, game is 12/10. Rat killing is fun.

explosivo posted:

Anyone have any gifs handy that I can use to show this game off to my friend who I'm trying to convince to buy this?

The Gate posted:

Apparently, as I only have 4 tabs for equipment, and the melee one will never change the 2H hammer to anything else.

explosivo posted:

Anyone have any gifs handy that I can use to show this game off to my friend who I'm trying to convince to buy this?

DreamShipWrecked posted:

The Arcane Bodkins skill for elf sounds like a cool idea, 50 bonus damage for headshots, cool. Until you take into account that you normally do 5500 headshot damage. Not as impressive then.

I guess it could push you over to OHK but not many enemies will withstand 5675 damage and die at 5900 (tested with my longbow)

Lunethex posted:

It was nerfed down from 150, so it's an absolutely useless skill that just makes the middle option, more crit power, the more obvious choice.

Digirat posted:

I don't see how this is actually any easier for fatshark. Just looking at what power level immediately touches, in vermintide 1, there's only 3 weapon damage permutations: orange, blue, and white/green. There's just a single permutation for targets hit: How well a weapon staggers/cleaves never changes. In vermintide 2, there's an entire spectrum of permutations of weapon damage to try to balance, and a whole spectrum of permutations of targets hit for that weapon to try to balance. (and if I can go down a bunny trail here, I think targets hit is an absolutely critical part of a weapon's balance in vermintide and simply not something you can muck with on a spectrum that a player constantly moves along.)

Kimsemus posted:

Vermintide: 420 hero power

Third World Reggin posted:

Slot one has an icon of a melee weapon
Slot two has an icon of a ranged weapon

click that ranged weapon tab and notice that there are only melee there and no range

That is because it is slot 2 and slayers can't use range

Willie Tomg posted:

duckfarts posted:

Kimsemus posted:

Note: both of us are sitting around 420 hero power.

Gamerofthegame posted:

Power system is eh, if only because it feels like my shiny traited weapon gets outdated in three boxes by a system I can't exactly parse by design.

But I dislike the leveling system more, if only because talents matter and having to play each individual character so long to get to the point where I'm at full feistiness is obnoxious as hell.