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Drink-Mix Man posted:That's a pretty good observation. I think in the trek novels they went into how kirk reprogrammed it - he changed the parameters of the test to make the Klingons respect and fear him, then argued that once he was a captain, it wouldn't be a lie.
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underage at the vape shop posted:is ds9 worth watching once i finish tng? DS9 is the best Star Trek series so yes
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I took it as evidence that Kirk is an outside the box thinker, willing to bluff and resort to unorthodox means. That's what stood out to me about Kirk when I rewatched TOS. He's a very clever leader and thinker, he likes to bluff and cheat and and outwit his opponent more than outfight them or talk them down. He may not be as book smart as Picard or the former science officer Janeway is, but he's cunning and thinks fast on his feet.
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Arglebargle III posted:Who is the wokest star trek character? Riker and its not close.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Riker and its not close. The more I think about this the more I think it's actually true.
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Winn is still a Vedek in season 1.
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McNally posted:The more I think about this the more I think it's actually true. The man is all about respecting other people and their cultures and not judging people AND trying to fight inequities.
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I'll say this for Enterprise at least the brigs have actual doors rather than those forcefields that fail anytime someone plugs a blender into the wrong power outlet. Still a little weird that the doors have reinforced glass which can be easily busted rather than like idk solid metal or at least transparent aluminum which was invented in the 1980s but anyway, baby steps
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abraxas posted:So a week or so ago I finally started watching Enterprise, as that's literally the only ST series I haven't watched AT ALL yet (yes, I've finished TAS). That about sums it up. Episode for episode it's a pretty good show. The premise is wasted and it largely treaded water at a time when the franchise needed something truly different to survive. But the cast is good and sometimes the stories are too.
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Y' know transparent alumina has been around forever and we use it for sensor windows in military and high pressure applications. It's sapphire.
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Mooseontheloose posted:The man is all about respecting other people and their cultures and not judging people AND trying to fight inequities. Will Riker knows the sexiest thing to get from anyone, man, woman, other, or neuter, is enthusiastic consent.
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That's very interesting, the sapphire thing. There's a camera I work with which uses sapphire windows, and I suppose it makes sense to use sapphire if it's the third-hardest mineral in the world. But realistically, how big could that window be? As it gets larger, the centre would have more flexion in it, right? And it stops being transparent as you layer it for strength, like glass. So "transparent aluminium" can't just be sapphire, I would imagine. But some kind of sapphire, sure. Space sapphire!
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:It was Picard who was all "gently caress you, I have one life, might as well live it!" as a cadet, anyway. Trelane looked into Kirk's heart and saw a bossy no-fun-haver; Q looked into Picard's heart and saw a hellraiser, tempered by experience, who he could occasionally goad into an adventure or two. ...Q looked into Sisko's heart and saw Grandpa Sisko weeping into a pot of gumbo while Jennifer and the Prophets were all FUN? WHAT IS THIS? in a deserted baseball field, so he got weirded out and left him alone.
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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spincube posted:Trelane looked into Kirk's heart and saw a bossy no-fun-haver; Q looked into Picard's heart and saw a hellraiser, tempered by experience, who he could occasionally goad into an adventure or two. he looked into Janeway's heart and popped a boner
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Never forget that Gene’s “waves and waves of cum” rant was all said in a faux-Irish accent Uhh... what now?
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Tom Guycot posted:Uhh... what now? The Fifty Year Mission posted:One day I'm sitting in my office and Roddenberry calls me, and he sounded lit, like he was not all there. And it started with "Hello, friend," and he went into this long, long rambling speech. "I love the title of your outline 'Genius Is Pain,' because, let me tell you something, genius is pain, you're absolutely right. But in fact, all of life is basically divided into two things, pleasure and pain."
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Forgot to mention that was writer Tracy Torme.
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Epicurius posted:I guess my question would be, why is the public conception of the character so different than the character? Is it just the whole "Kirk v Picard" thing that Cythereal mentions, or at least, Next Generation being a slower, more "talky" show on average than TOS, which influences our conception of Kirk and Picard? Unless the ad money dries up, of course. But you see this all over the place. The thing where I really noticed it for the first time was (since I am a giant goon) Final Fantasy 7.
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Nessus posted:Popular gestalt ideas are like the atmospheric pollution of engaging with an actual work, and I can't think of a situation where it's been positive as opposed to just making things grungy bullshit. Metal gear solid deliberately cultivated the idea that the original metal gear series had an actual plot
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Tunicate posted:Metal gear solid deliberately cultivated the idea that the original metal gear series had an actual plot
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Forgot to mention that was writer Tracy Torme. I only had the book and quote on hand, but yeah.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't agree with that assessment at all. Kirk is not a Mary Sue by any stretch; he's repeatedly shown to sometimes fly off the handle before he has all the facts. Errand of Mercy and Arena are two episodes off the top of my head where this is true. A case could also be made for Where No Man Has Gone Before, since Kirk is so wrapped up in his feelings for his friend that he almost doesn't act to save the ship until it's too late. TOS' strength is the fact that it has the courage to not show its main characters as unquestionably perfect, but willing to learn from their mistakes so that they can grow. And if the show had been able to go with Roddenberry's original vision, it would have been even more so with Jeffrey Hunter's Pike. A huge part of The Cage was how this captain had massive self doubt and was ready to hang up his career. A bold move for a pilot episode.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:That's very interesting, the sapphire thing. There's a camera I work with which uses sapphire windows, and I suppose it makes sense to use sapphire if it's the third-hardest mineral in the world. Pretty sure the periscopes that every modern armored vehicle in the world uses are made with sapphire windows so it can get pretty thick and strong without losing clarity.
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I forgot the sheer number of Trek actors that show up in Total Recall. Jellico is the big bad guy, Dukat shows up as a Mars soldier, Kolrami is the head of ReKall, Ensign Sonia Gomez is the mutant hooker, and Robert Picardo voices the JonnyCabs. How has Michael Ironside escaped being in Star Trek? ed: apparently the mutant cabbie played the sycophant Cardassian who replaced Damar Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Thats um, thats sure something. 
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Tom Guycot posted:Thats um, thats sure something.  except Roddenberry.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:How has Michael Ironside escaped being in Star Trek? He was the captain for the third season of seaQuest, where NBC retooled the show into a crappy war series.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:He was the captain for the third season of seaQuest, where NBC retooled the show into a crappy war series. Oh yes. One of the first things they did was show the genetically engineered super-soldiers who were now mercenary terrorists, going around destroying the machines that produce oxygen because the rain forests are gone and so there's not enough air. Remember when, despite science, people thought deforestation would de-oxygenate the Earth? If you don't, congrats on not being an old fart. But these people were made from all the best physical and mental traits of all races, so what do they look like? People with skin-tone camouflage patches painted on their bodies. I poo poo you not! I have a few friends who have interracial kids. None of them has patches of black skin mixed with patches of white skin. Because THAT'S NOT A loving THING, SEAQUEST, GOD loving DAMMIT. Stick to more realistic things, like talking dolphins. Stick to smarter ways to write the show, like starting every episode with a dime-store Star Trek monologue over the opening credits. gently caress gently caress gently caress seaQuest. I remember watching some of it as a kid, and even then, even when I loved terrible TV shows because I didn't know better, I kept thinking, "this is a crappy Star Trek wannabe." And when that last season popped up because of space man time travel Luke Skywalker shenanigans (I think?), well, the only TV show in history whose first episode aired months after the concept jumped the shark managed to jump several more, this time while giving a thumbs-up and saying, "heeeeeeeey!"
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seaQuest chat always reminds me of when my dad got DVDs of the show we used to love to watch together, the action-packed Earth2. You can never go home again.
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^^Earth2 had a lot of good poo poo going for it Dagwood, the character with the bad camo skin on Seaquest was a failed experimental genetically engineered supersoldier ("Dagger"), not some interracial kid. I mean, there's plenty to raz Seaquest about, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree
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Brawnfire posted:seaQuest chat always reminds me of when my dad got DVDs of the show we used to love to watch together, the action-packed Earth2. Hey, Mulder, you wanna hang out tonight? We're going to nitpick the scientific inaccuracies of Earth 2.
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Earth 2 was so bad I could tell it was going to be bad when I was a kid just from watching the opening titles, at least SeaQuest had a cool intro in it's first year
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The main characters were cool and interesting. So I recall from a zillion years ago.
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My mental image is Tim Curry as a pelt-wearing wizard with a background of that one kid's ear-piercing shriek on loop
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SeaQuest was pretty great for the one season they made I don't know what you're all talking about LA LA LA LA LAA.
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As I recall the people with the patchwork skin were genetically engineered servants (because of course we'd have them) and there was some drama about how they could survive with the rainforest replacement things gone but normies couldn't. But they couldn't have babies. But then some of them did! The dolphin called some starlet "Melon Lady". Accurate writing for a dolphin, IMO.
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tarlibone posted:I have a few friends who have interracial kids. None of them has patches of black skin mixed with patches of white skin. Because THAT'S NOT A loving THING, SEAQUEST, GOD loving DAMMIT. To be fair, this was a thing people genuinely believed... in the 13th century.
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tarlibone posted:Oh yes. One of the first things they did was show the genetically engineered super-soldiers who were now mercenary terrorists, going around destroying the machines that produce oxygen because the rain forests are gone and so there's not enough air. Remember when, despite science, people thought deforestation would de-oxygenate the Earth? Remember? People still think that now. Hell, I might think that.
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dont even fink about it posted:Remember? People still think that now. Hell, I might think that. Don't even fink about it.
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