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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Boston is probably lowhanging fruit for bad street design but I can't get over this dumbass street that is only 1km long, creates TWO separate 6-way intersections, and then just merges back into an east-west avenue nice petagram park
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One of my favorite urban planning decisions is when NYC renamed their streets to a number system to make navigation easier, which led to this arrangement in Astoria:
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CaptainRightful posted:One of my favorite urban planning decisions is when NYC renamed their streets to a number system to make navigation easier, which led to this arrangement in Astoria: Follow the 30th avenue, then turn right to the 30th street, and turn left to the 30th drive. Unfortunately, no way to shoehorn the 30th road without going through a different number at some point.
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Mar 10, 2018 22:12
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Cat Mattress posted:Follow the 30th avenue, then turn right to the 30th street, and turn left to the 30th drive. I've gotten people lost with this one before:  Go south on north east ave, no not eastearn ave, wtf did you put into your gps so you're on north east ave, go south to south east ave, no not eastern ave.
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Mar 10, 2018 22:39
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Cable Guy posted:Holy poo poo... things I never thought I'd see in America - gun control.... and round-abouts I have no idea why somebody made this map but they did. Map of all roundabouts in Michigan  I'm sure it will shock you to find out that in the Detroit metro area the state hasn't built any in Detroit proper.  Speaking of Detroit and Washington DC, following a fire in 1805 which pretty much destroyed the entirety of Detroit a territorial judge by the name of Augustus Woodward drew up a plan similar to what l'Enfant had designed for Washington.  Elements of the plan were put into place. I find it kinda hilarious he named one of the main roads after himself and that's one of the parts of his plan that actually happened. 
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Do you have a link to "map of roundabouts" for other us states?
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Mar 10, 2018 22:55
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Unfortunately not, I found that on the "Michigan Roundabout Resource Center" which exists for some reason. https://www.michiganautolaw.com/roundabouts/
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CaptainRightful posted:One of my favorite urban planning decisions is when NYC renamed their streets to a number system to make navigation easier, which led to this arrangement in Astoria: Portland has addresses that have a leading zero. This means that there can be two addresses, blocks apart, that are identical except one has a zero in front of it. Leave off the zero (like many automated systems will) and you're going to the wrong place.  I picked two at random and got some driving directions for fun. 
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Mar 10, 2018 23:00
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CaptainRightful posted:One of my favorite urban planning decisions is when NYC renamed their streets to a number system to make navigation easier, which led to this arrangement in Astoria: What is a Euro Market
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Mar 10, 2018 23:07
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Guavanaut posted:Top Tip: If you throw spaghetti at the wall and it sticks, you've designed a European city layout. Well, cities with organic layouts are much more pleasant to live in than mechanically designed industrial hatcheries 
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Mar 10, 2018 23:26
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steinrokkan posted:Well, cities with organic layouts are much more pleasant to live in than mechanically designed industrial hatcheries So does "organic layout" mean "designed over centuries by the vagaries of feudalism" now?
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"Welcome to Comte Cortez's road, it's organic layout was designed in 1488 to funnel the poors straight into the hussar's spears if the ever got uppity. Enjoy the starbucks!  "
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Phlegmish posted:What is a Euro Market Should be obvious from the name? Just like Trade Fair.
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Dreddout posted:"Welcome to Comte Cortez's road, it's organic layout was designed in 1488 to funnel the poors straight into the hussar's spears if the ever got uppity. Cities are what destroyed feudalism. Also what are hussars doing in Spain e: or I guess he's French, this is confusing dude. e2: there are peasants in the cities?? Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Phlegmish posted:What is a Euro Market It's Astoria so it probably sells Greek/Balkan food. EDIT: Yeah looked it up, something like that anyway. Queens is basically the most diverse place on planet earth (in the real off the boat sense and not in the "my grandma was Greek!" sense), so there's shitloads of import stores like that around. Immigrants gotta get that motherland fix. Grape fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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CaptainRightful posted:One of my favorite urban planning decisions is when NYC renamed their streets to a number system to make navigation easier, which led to this arrangement in Astoria: My friend, let me introduce you to New Westminister, BC: 
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Dreddout posted:So does "organic layout" mean "designed over centuries by the vagaries of feudalism" now? yeah, organic morphology is usually the old school medieval rat nest of streets that only locals can navigate. they're super resistant to autmotive intrusion because of sharp turns, confusing layouts, narrow roads etc. which means that in european cities you often see downtown areas where the local authority bans cars because theyre such a pain in the rear end to drive around in and destructive of foot traffic there's nothing wrong with grid or gridiron morphology (people often forget that many ancient and medieval street layouts were based on planned geometric order) but it makes it easier for cars to intrude and cars to become a dominant mode over foot traffic, which is bad. and that's areas designed originally for foot traffic, let alone the void that is sprawl where navigating on foot is functionally impossible
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I wish Greek-Americans had had balls and taken the US by storm with their food like the Italians did. Instead they just opened a bunch of diners and nervously sell lousy gyros and crap on a side menu. So as a result even though I'm in the Tri-State metro zone of "find whatever the gently caress you wanna eat", to get straight up Greek poo poo with my wife we gotta go all the way down to Queens for it p. much. Thankfully the secret is if you want good authentic Greek food, just go to a Turkish/Lebanese place. Same exact poo poo for the most part. Halal groceries are also secretly the place to go for bringing ingredients home for Greek cookin'. tldr: Greece is a secretly Middle Eastern country.
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Grape posted:tldr: Greece is a secretly Middle Eastern country. Most of it belonged to Greece, tbf.
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Byzantine posted:Most of it belonged to Greece, tbf. Yeah, people acting these days like some huge bolded black sharpie marker line exists between Greece and Turkey (and what lies beyond in the dread near-orient). But the Balkans and Levant areas have been tied together for like a millennia, Ottomans, East Romans (Medieval Greeks), and Rome proper before that.. Might just be some cultural connections and stuff.
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CaptainRightful posted:One of my favorite urban planning decisions is when NYC renamed their streets to a number system to make navigation easier, which led to this arrangement in Astoria: Psh, Amateurs.  Note near the bottom right how Tuscany Valley Drive suddenly becomes Tuscany Valley Way even though the whole thing is a crescent/close. This is what happens when urban planners hate everything and everybody.
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steinrokkan posted:Well, cities with organic layouts are much more pleasant to live in than mechanically designed industrial hatcheries NYC: known godawful hellhole Jerusalem: great place to live
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Phlegmish posted:Cities are what destroyed feudalism. Looks like you need to read my alternate history wherein the Polish conquer all of Western Europe in an effort to prove they are white They don't
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Dreddout posted:So does "organic layout" mean "designed over centuries by the vagaries of feudalism" now? Say what you want about peasants or burghers, they actually built their poo poo in a way that was efficient with regards to local topography, not according to what some dumb rear end planner with a fetish for right angles drew up.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:NYC: known godawful hellhole Exactly!
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Right angles are good, modernism is good, and an attachment to European city plans is evidence of a backwards and feudalistic particularism. Should’ve let Napoleon 3 bulldoze all of Paris IMO
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icantfindaname posted:Right angles are good, modernism is good, and an attachment to European city plans is evidence of a backwards and feudalistic particularism. Should’ve let Napoleon 3 bulldoze all of Paris IMO But the Greeks and the Romans came up with the gridiron planning in urbanism and agricultural land division. How is that not European?
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:But the Greeks and the Romans came up with the gridiron planning in urbanism and agricultural land division. How is that not European? Keyword here is "planning". Yeah, when they'd go create a new city somewhere, they'd start with a geometric plan full of right angles and centered around a big plaza. But then the city would grow for centuries, with a mix of planned and anarchic development. It could grow enough to reach up to and swallow another city. Also they didn't have the same earthmoving capacities that we have with powered machines, so they took the existing terrain into account a lot more.
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Grape posted:I wish Greek-Americans had had balls and taken the US by storm with their food like the Italians did. Lousy gyros own. I just wish there were more greek places in general.
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Plinkey posted:Go south on north east ave, no not eastearn ave, wtf did you put into your gps so you're on north east ave, go south to south east ave, no not eastern ave. My condo in Chicago is just south of North and west of Western.
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ArseMan posted:My condo in Chicago is just south of North and west of Western. Sup Chicago buddy. I live just south of Chicago Ave., but used to live west of Western and north of North.
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the predominance of greek food is another reason why melbourne is the best city
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steinrokkan posted:Say what you want about peasants or burghers, they actually built their poo poo in a way that was efficient with regards to local topography, not according to what some dumb rear end planner with a fetish for right angles drew up. I feel like there's some sort of middle ground here, having a layout that incorporates modern needs (without letting cars reign supreme) and efficiency without it being nothing but soulless geometric shapes with generic names like 453rd Street. Have they tried that? They should try that.
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Cat Mattress posted:Keyword here is "planning". Yeah, when they'd go create a new city somewhere, they'd start with a geometric plan full of right angles and centered around a big plaza. As a result European cities have character and history. American cities have gun crime.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Do you have a link to "map of roundabouts" for other us states? As far as I can tell there are these 5 ways to mark different kinds of circular roads but sadly it seems to miss most actual roundabouts. I couldn't get the union syntax to work but you can try them one by one.
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Orange Devil posted:As a result European cities have character and history. American cities have gun crime. At least in New England, a lot of cities had character and history, before being tossed away due to ill-conceived "urban renewal" projects. quote:In Boston, one of the country's oldest cities, almost a third of the old city was demolished—including the historic West End—to make way for a new highway, low- and moderate-income high-rises (which eventually became luxury housing), and new government and commercial buildings. This came to be seen as a tragedy by many residents and urban planners, and one of the centerpieces of the redevelopment—Government Center—is still considered an example of the excesses of urban renewal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_renewal#United_States
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Orange Devil posted:As a result European cities have character and history. American cities have gun crime. It might be that most american cities are one-tenth or less the age of most european cities. But seriously being a grid has nothing to do with whether a city has character and soul or not, check out... anywhere outside of Rome that was built by romans. Give windy white people suburbs in North America 1000 years to grow and they'll be characterful too, if we don't exterminate ourselves or something. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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CountFosco posted:At least in New England, a lot of cities had character and history, before being tossed away due to ill-conceived "urban renewal" projects. modern paris was flattened and rebuilt in the 1870s in what was considered at the time horrible modernist urban renewal, and is today considered one of the most charming cities on earth everyone thinks their local tradition of urban development is the best, really the only metric that matters is percentage of trips that take place by car. the lower the better Edgar Allen Ho posted:But seriously being a grid has nothing to do with whether a city has character and soul or not, check out... anywhere outside of Rome that was built by romans. Give windy white people suburbs in North America 1000 years to grow and they'll be characterful too, if we don't exterminate ourselves or something. rome? heh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Chinese_urban_planning quote:The first section on urban construction in The Artificer’s Record describes ancient techniques for siting a city, including methods for precisely orienting the site to the cardinal directions and determining the levelness of the land. The second section describes the basic the features of the ideal capital city: http://www.chaz.org/Arch/China/CHINA3.GIF  boner confessor fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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The big problem with American cities is that they're impossible to get around without a car (especially outside the North-East) if there's ever a big gas crisis/shortage a lot of cities like Atlanta or Raleigh will literally cease to be functional or livable. People literally couldn't feed themselves in the large city I'm from without a car because the grocery stores are too far to reach on foot, and there's no mass transit that could ever take up the slack. You'd see a situation where huge swathes of America become ghost towns like a zombie apocalypse happened.
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