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Did anidav not copy the whole article? That poo poo is extremely benign. All is says is that growth is beyond predictions, immigration pushes growth up hard when added to births and there have been mistakes in accommodating huge growth by government.
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JBP posted:Did anidav not copy the whole article? That poo poo is extremely benign. All is says is that growth is beyond predictions, immigration pushes growth up hard when added to births and there have been mistakes in accommodating huge growth by government. ergo all my problems are caused by immigrants
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 00:12 |
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if only it was possible to consider the political environment and subtext when considering a given piece of media, but such an advanced analysis is entirely beyond our meagre human faculties, alas
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I know that "dunking" on JBP is all the rage but I'm curious how would an article outlining the same details be written without being perceived as an attack on immigrants?
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Birdstrike posted:ergo all my problems are caused by immigrants This is presumptive and when you start being presumptive you are editorialising. Immigration and the resultant growth puts stress on services in cities. Maybe they should state that most immigrants are white (I presume that's still a fact) but outside of that what do you want?
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 00:27 |
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Actually the Awful mobile app didn't let me copy the whole article. It hit some sort of character limit so I just copied the actual original paragraphs. The recent thing with the ABC is that they post a story and the first half is the original article and then the second half is a bunch of paragraphs from articles they've posted previously with headings so the part I posted is the article which I could fit in the mobile app and the other half of the article is that linking to other micro articles thing they do. Also even though the article continues to link to other factors I am pretty sure that the original portion will be used as a dog whistle in parliament soon. And I am extremely cautious at today's ABC anyway, they seem to be very odd these days and I can just picture Leigh Sales asking questions about immigration levels due to Four Corners.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 00:29 |
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I can only imagine this being the ABC simply giving the government a ball to kick for points.
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Tasmantor posted:I know that "dunking" on JBP is all the rage but I'm curious how would an article outlining the same details be written without being perceived as an attack on immigrants? No one dunks on me. I am the Charles Barkley of posting.
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Birdstrike posted:ergo all my problems are caused by http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/us-north-korea-meeting-a-moment-of-truth/9538004 When did Micheal Kirby fall off a ladder and hit his head?
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JBP posted:This is presumptive and when you start being presumptive you are editorialising. Immigration and the resultant growth puts stress on services in cities. Maybe they should state that most immigrants are white (I presume that's still a fact) but outside of that what do you want? The piece is couched in a conservative mindset that the status quo is something we should maintain, and that to do this immigration needs to be reduced/stopped. For example in respect of population growth (read: immigration) the author says quote:It is going to mean big changes. We will all need to make choices, trade-offs, and compromises. The “article” to some extent acknowledges the problems created by a failure to build appropriate infrastructure, but focusing on the population pressures invites the less-informed reader to believe that cutting immigration would fix everything. You could easily write a piece highlighting the failure of governments of both parties and at all levels to plan and build infrastructure without making population growth (which is caused by immigration, remember) the central point.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 01:11 |
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Peter Dutton has an easy job just kick back and wait for the media to blame immigration then appear once a month on talk back radio
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 01:32 |
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Waiting for a road to get built is a compromise. High density is a trade off. These are actions that the author can reasonably assume are a requirement given rapid population growth. The main drive of the journalist to my mind is that we didn't model for such dramatic population growth and that's going to cause some growing pains for people.
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If people want to make it about race that's on them, but as I said most of our immigrants are traditionally white people. It might be worth throwing that in as a stat, but the proposition that population growth is creating problems with infrastructure in cities and we are not building new cities or dealing with it effectively is fair and reasonable. E: I'm not saying you are wrong and there could have been more detail or exploration in the article, but I struggle to frame it as anti immigration. JBP fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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you're being too generous, 'immigration causing problems' is a dogwhistle for 'lazy browns are here to take your jobs/seat on the bus' and has been since greeks were declared white in the 60s. before that they didn't bother disguising it.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 01:59 |
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The issue isn't that "immigration is causing problems", the issue is that "policies by the governments of the last 15 years are causing problems". They've had high immigration without requisite spending and investment in infrastructure. Saying immigration is a problem is the dogwhistle because it's framed as a fault of immigrants rather than a fault of governments who chose those specific policies that are causing these issues.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:16 |
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yes?
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:21 |
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Immigration is a problem now though... We can't build poo poo fast enough and what gets built is poorly planned. That article says the immigration numbers we used were too conservative and now we have a bit of a mess in cities because there's not enough transport and infrastructure. If just saying immigration is now a dogwhistle, well that's the fault of the reader of this article consuming propaganda editorials and the fault of those publications.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:23 |
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The previous Lib MP for Lindsay said in 2013 that refugees cause traffic congestion and now the ABC is presenting the dog-whistle as serious journalism.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:27 |
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They do if you don't have enough roads. It's not simply fine to blame planning and previous policy for everything then do nothing to address it in the now. Unless you've got a time machine to fix the past, immigration is a stressor on cities and their ability to service growing populations.
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JBP posted:They do if you don't have enough roads. It's not simply fine to blame planning and previous policy for everything then do nothing to address it in the now. Unless you've got a time machine to fix the past, immigration is a stressor on cities and their ability to service growing populations. They specifically blamed refugees, not immigration as a whole.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:33 |
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No it doesn't.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:36 |
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I'm the people who think it's better to prevent skilled migrants from entering the country than it is to build roads because the migrants might be brown. Too often have I examined the Twitter feeds of people who complain about immigration to find they're actually just racist. These arguments aren't being made in good faith and it's a mistake to acknowledge them.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:42 |
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The article is anti-refugee because some mad bugger made an outlandish claim via SMH five years ago.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:43 |
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Stop arguing about politics in the Barnaby sex thread.quote:The unravelling of Barnaby Joyce http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-12/barnaby-joyce-how-the-former-nationals-leader-came-undone/9496756
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:47 |
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hmm yes it's the 38,742 refugee visas granted between 2011 and 2016 that are making Australia full, not the > 1 million permanent and long term visa arrivals who came in the same time
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JBP posted:The article is anti-refugee because some mad bugger made an outlandish claim via SMH five years ago. its probably more to do with the fact that the background level of political discourse has been anti-refugee since about 2001.
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GoldStandardConure posted:its probably more to do with the fact that the background level of political discourse has been anti-refugee since about 2001. No everything must be considered without any context! Or else how else can we be purely rational randian perfectmen.
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hooman posted:No everything must be considered without any context! Or else how else can we be purely rational randian perfectmen. Here's some context, the government has stopped the boats, therefore all immigration is entirely legitimate to cities.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:54 |
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Sorry I said the bad immigration word, I mean population movement paradigms or some equally Rudd poo poo.
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JBP posted:Here's some context, the government has stopped the boats, therefore all immigration is entirely legitimate to cities. yeah but thats still too much, 100% Juche Now
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:56 |
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Who wore it worse?
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 02:58 |
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It's mad poo poo to link that article to refugees when the targets of any malignant home-grown Australian is going to be Chinese and Indians on PRs or student visas who are perceived to be choking cities. Anyone that links it to refugees is even dumber than them.
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JBP posted:Here's some context, the government has stopped the boats, therefore all immigration is entirely legitimate to cities. I think you're arguing with the wrong person since I never said anything about refugees.
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hooman posted:I think you're arguing with the wrong person since I never said anything about refugees. Fair enough but I don't think simply saying immigration is a dogwhistle in the context of that article is fair. I don't think the word requires a massive caveat around it without being automatically a dogwhistle. Others mentioned refugees and obviously read a different article to the boring one that was posted itt. E: first sentence didn't make sense JBP fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:
Wow, age has not been kind to Carmen Sandiego You Am I fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Also that post was more a general response to people conflating city immigration with refugees despite refugees being officially contained on jail island by the government.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 03:08 |
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My point in bringing that up is that in an environment where “refugees cause traffic” has already been used as a dog whistle, “immigration causes traffic” is either a dog whistle in itself or will be used as one.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 03:12 |
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The journalist isn't responsible for other people misusing a basic statement of fact that immigration to cities is stressing infrastructure. Even if it was surrounded by caveats and further scrutiny they'd cherry pick it the same as everything else that goes through the right wing fact laundering machine.
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# ? Mar 12, 2018 03:16 |
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Calling everything that could potentially have a racial context a dog whistle as if that inherently means something is some lazy disingenuous poo poo. It's worth pointing out, but once it's pointed out the discussion should quickly move to the actual merits of the argument.
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Just call it Population Growth or whatever and move on. They're right that there's simply not enough infrastructure to go around, and it's impacting young people born in Australia the worst, what with having no jobs and no homes and all.
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