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Mordiceius posted:And how does that make the character relevant to modern audiences? In a world where Iron Man and Black Panther ended up the most well known superheroes, why is anyone asking this question?
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wyoming posted:In a world where Iron Man and Black Panther ended up the most well known superheroes, why is anyone asking this question? It’s impossible to know, but I would venture to bet that even pre-2008, more people in the general audience demographic would be familiar with Iron Man than Captain Marvel/Shazam. Both Iron Man and Black Panther, however, are also something different than the standard fare, I feel. At most, everyone here has described Shazam as “Superman by the way of Big.” I’m curious how they will sell the character so people don’t just read him as “oh it’s a Superman knock off” because that’s how the character feels.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:01
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Well he literally is a Superman knock off, buy "by way of Big" is a pretty big character differential.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:06
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Guardians Of The Galaxy made literally all of the money in the world, and that's a movie about a talking raccoon and sentient tree with zero public foot print pre-release.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:16
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Another way the Captain Marvel comic is historic, the Monster Society Of Evil storyline was the first multi-issue spanning story arc. A big mystery was the identity of Mr. Mind, who communicated via radio. He had many minions, one of which was Adolf Hitler. In the end, Mr. Mind ended being a caterpillar. When they caught him he was tried in court and was given the electric chair and his body was placed in a museum.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:34
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Mordiceius posted:It’s impossible to know, but I would venture to bet that even pre-2008, more people in the general audience demographic would be familiar with Iron Man than Captain Marvel/Shazam. are you concerned that dc won't be able to sell shazam to other people or are you concerned that dc won't be able to sell shazam to you
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Mar 12, 2018 01:35
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Detective No. 27 posted:Another way the Captain Marvel comic is historic, the Monster Society Of Evil storyline was the first multi-issue spanning story arc. That's cool. Detective No. 27 posted:When they caught him he was tried in court and was given the electric chair ...oh, well he was working with Hitler so I suppose Detective No. 27 posted:and his body was placed in a museum. ...huh.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:49
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Schwarzwald posted:That's cool. I should have posted pictures.   
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Mar 12, 2018 02:16
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It's OK, bugs aren't people
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Mar 12, 2018 02:19
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Hodgepodge posted:I wonder if that's a printing thing, or a form of shading? Weirdest thing about it is even though the plates are out of register, none of that explains what the gently caress happened to the top left side dude's head. Well, top RIGHT side of HIS head. Above his ear. You can see the mis-registration of color but the black just kind of stops, like Tawny just loving bit a chunk of his skull off.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:23
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My favorite thing about those three panels is that he turns into Captain Marvel to read the newspaper
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Mar 12, 2018 02:29
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Al Borland Corp. posted:My favorite thing about those three panels is that he turns into Captain Marvel to read the newspaper Wisdom of Solomon is a good idea to read between the lines. Plus, broadsheets are pretty big for a child. I hope they have Captain Nazi as a full on riff on Steve Rogers. Have him kept in stasis since WW2, maybe he fought Wonder Woman back in the day.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:32
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they won't do captain nazi cause they wouldn't be able to sell toys of him
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Mar 12, 2018 02:36
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Brother Entropy posted:they won't do captain nazi cause they wouldn't be able to sell toys of him In the US? They'd fly off the shelf
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Mar 12, 2018 02:49
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Just change his logo to Pepe the frog
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Mar 12, 2018 03:11
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Detective No. 27 posted:I should have posted pictures. I am losing my drat mind over this. ...the gently caress kind of kill count does Mr. Banjo have??
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Mar 12, 2018 03:57
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All I have is anecdotes I guess, but I saw BP last week for the first time with a group of about ten people seeing it their third or fourth time. And after the film they really about other films coming out, of which infinity War was just another in a list. They were definitely all going to see it but not three or four times.
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Mar 12, 2018 04:16
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Schwarzwald posted:I am losing my drat mind over this. Mr. Banjo was an evil Nazi banjo player who used his banjo music to transmit Allied troop movements over the radio
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Mar 12, 2018 04:26
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corn in the bible posted:Mr. Banjo was an evil Nazi banjo player who used his banjo music to transmit Allied troop movements over the radio Honestly old school Fawcett stuff is so batshit crazy I'm 50/50 on this being a joke.
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Mar 12, 2018 04:28
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Fart City posted:Guardians Of The Galaxy made literally all of the money in the world, and that's a movie about a talking raccoon and sentient tree with zero public foot print pre-release. It's also a cast of characters that is dramatically different than what is already out there instead of "wannabe Superman." Brother Entropy posted:are you concerned that dc won't be able to sell shazam to other people or are you concerned that dc won't be able to sell shazam to you Both. 
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Mar 12, 2018 04:30
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Fart City posted:Honestly old school Fawcett stuff is so batshit crazy I'm 50/50 on this being a joke. It is completely true. Mr. Banjo is the folk music equivalent of an Enigma machine. Also one time there was a story about Mr Mind's new book, Mind Kampf
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Mar 12, 2018 04:36
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Mordiceius posted:It's also a cast of characters that is dramatically different than what is already out there instead of "wannabe Superman." So your argument is that a cast of profoundly weird and extremely fringe characters was an easier sell than a character that bares a conceptual similarity to one of the most indelible pop culture icons in history? I don't know, man. corn in the bible posted:Also one time there was a story about Mr Mind's new book, Mind Kampf Holy poo poo. Are there are any comprehensive trades out there of this stuff? It sounds extremely my jam.
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Mar 12, 2018 04:41
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Mar 12, 2018 04:43
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A few people in this thread think that Captain Marvel/Shazam is actually a known character to the general public? Some of y'all need to get out of your bubble.
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Crows Turn Off posted:A few people in this thread think that Captain Marvel/Shazam is actually a known character to the general public? I don't recall anyone saying that. I, and other posters have said Captain Marvel was wildly more popular than Superman in his heyday. Which was 60+ years ago. Edit: That said, he had a live action show that children of the '70s seem to recall fondly. Detective No. 27 fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 05:14
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I don't think he's a known character, but I don't think that means he can't be sold to the public. I think he has more presence in the public sphere that GOTG did at the time of the release of their first movie, though. Shazam has shown up in videogames and stuff. And there was the television show in the 70's. Even so if you showed someone on the street a picture of Shazam and asked them who he was, I'd say there's a better than average chance a few people would say "Superman." I just disagree with the idea that the character is a tough sell. I think the concept, if played right and marketed correctly, will easily find an audience. I mean, it's basically Wish Fulfillment: The Character.
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Mar 12, 2018 05:16
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You have Billy Batson point to the sky, say "Shazam!", and turn into Captain Marvel, and I'm sure there's more than a few people who have some idea of the character.
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Mar 12, 2018 05:33
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Fart City posted:I don't think he's a known character, but I don't think that means he can't be sold to the public. I think he has more presence in the public sphere that GOTG did at the time of the release of their first movie, though. Yeah, whether he's a "known" character is pretty much only useful in generating buzz in the lead in the the premiere, after the film's success pretty much totally reliant on whether it's any good. Having people post poo poo on social media like "OMG you've got to see this new movie, the talking raccoon is an absolute riot!! [crying while laughing emoji]" is way more effective at selling tickets than someone going "Huh, I think I remember that character from a cartoon I saw when I was a kid" There's plenty of films of characters that were really well "known" but didn't connect with audiences and underperformed at the box office. Hollywood is desperate to grab hold of any IP that holds any amount of cultural cachet/nostalgia and reboot the living gently caress out of it as quickly as possible but that's always a gamble.
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Fart City posted:So your argument is that a cast of profoundly weird and extremely fringe characters was an easier sell than a character that bares a conceptual similarity to one of the most indelible pop culture icons in history? I don't know, man. Yes, because it's something different. There is a massive difference between "look at this completely bonkers cast of characters, follow their story" and "look at this guy that is basically superman, follow his story." The former is far more interesting than the latter. Fart City posted:I don't think he's a known character, but I don't think that means he can't be sold to the public. I think he has more presence in the public sphere that GOTG did at the time of the release of their first movie, though. Shazam has shown up in videogames and stuff. And there was the television show in the 70's. Even so if you showed someone on the street a picture of Shazam and asked them who he was, I'd say there's a better than average chance a few people would say "Superman." This character was massively popular 40-50 years ago, so the the 18-30 demographic will totally know who he is! All super hero movies are already "Wish Fulfillment: The Character" Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah, whether he's a "known" character is pretty much only useful in generating buzz in the lead in the the premiere, after the film's success pretty much totally reliant on whether it's any good. Having people post poo poo on social media like "OMG you've got to see this new movie, the talking raccoon is an absolute riot!! [crying while laughing emoji]" is way more effective at selling tickets than someone going "Huh, I think I remember that character from a cartoon I saw when I was a kid" My original point wasn't really about whether or not he's known by anyone, but more so, how do you market a character that is basically superman but differentiate him enough from Superman to be interesting?
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Mordiceius posted:There is a massive difference between "look at this completely bonkers cast of characters, follow their story" and "look at this guy that is basically superman, follow his story." The former is far more interesting than the latter. Also after Justice League's lackluster performance it's probably not a great idea to try and sell an upcoming movie by comparing it to Superman .... (Although describing it as "Like Superman ..... but fun!" might work)
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If they do a trailer where billy batson turns into captain marvel so he can beat up a caterpillar and his friend captain Nazi then that's a billion dollars guaranteed.
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Mar 12, 2018 06:00
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Mordiceius posted:how do you market a character that is basically superman but differentiate him enough from Superman to be interesting? There's a huge difference in tone between the two characters, especially between the recent depictions of Superman and Captain Marvel at his silliest.
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Gorn Myson posted:I'm a little let down by Thor Ragnarok. Going by the trailers I was expecting it to be a decent action-comedy that also happens to look gorgeous but its at best just "alright". Theres some really good stuff in there but its just ruined by some poor lighting and a lack of some truly great jokes. It was full of great jokes, how did you not completely lose it at the snake story?
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It's worth noting that a lot of what we think of as modern Superman actually is born from Captain Marvel. Marvel was popular enough they started trying to make Superman more Marvel-like (including getting Marvel writers to work on Superman. Otto Binder, one of the best known Captain Marvel writers, is also the guy responsible for characters like Braniac and was a huge influence on a lot of Superman's supporting cast. The reason they feel similar at times is because Superman was made more like Marvel. Which does make it a harder sell these days but honestly the major difference is that Superman is an adult and Marvel is a kid and that should color their adventures.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:There's a huge difference in tone between the two characters, especially between the recent depictions of Superman and Captain Marvel at his silliest. Yeah. Maybe it’s a tone thing. I know literally nothing about Shazam and everything I’ve seen so far just screams “dollar store Superman”. I know the character is traditionally called Captain Marvel but are they actually using that in the movie or did they drop it entirely (to avoid any problems with Disney)? If so, it would be useful to just start using the name Shazam when talking about it to avoid confusion. Also - I told my wife “Hey apparently a Shazam movie is in production” and her response was “Wasnt there a Shaq movie called that?”
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ImpAtom posted:It's worth noting that a lot of what we think of as modern Superman actually is born from Captain Marvel. Marvel was popular enough they started trying to make Superman more Marvel-like (including getting Marvel writers to work on Superman. Otto Binder, one of the best known Captain Marvel writers, is also the guy responsible for characters like Braniac and was a huge influence on a lot of Superman's supporting cast. The reason they feel similar at times is because Superman was made more like Marvel. Which does make it a harder sell these days but honestly the major difference is that Superman is an adult and Marvel is a kid and that should color their adventures. So I wonder how it plays in the marketing. Do they market this as a kids movie? Like for 8-15 year olds or something? Because with everything that has been said, it seems like this movie should be made as “Superman for children”
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The character has been exclusively referred to as Shazam in all the DC animated movies of the last 5 years, and I'd put real money on this being one of the kids movies the rumour said they were pivoting to after everyone got fired for JL
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NTRabbit posted:The character has been exclusively referred to as Shazam in all the DC animated movies of the last 5 years, and I'd put real money on this being one of the kids movies the rumour said they were pivoting to after everyone got fired for JL Honestly that's fine, he works perfectly well as a kids' character and they can do jokes based around his alter ego being a kid or whatever. Honestly, it should really be animated.
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Billy will be a kid who idolizes Superman, I'm sure they are going for this. His character in the movie will the Superman people complain they did not get in the Snyder movies, and this will be fine because they are clearly not supposed to be the same.
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corn in the bible posted:Honestly that's fine, he works perfectly well as a kids' character and they can do jokes based around his alter ego being a kid or whatever. Honestly, it should really be animated. Yeah, with everything that has been said about this character, it definitely feels more suited to be a “kids movie.” If they try to market it go 20-somethings as a core audience, I think that’s a critical mistake.
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