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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Laurenz posted:

4chan was also, for years, not a mainstream site. That helps too.
I don't know the exact figures, but the 4chan userbase increased drastically during the presidential campaign. I'd wager that 70% of people on /pol/ weren't posting on 4chan before 2015.

4chan has been one of the most highly-trafficked messageboards on the internet for, uh, a decade now, and has a disproportionate effect in shaping online culture elsewhere in a way that, like, Gaia Online or bodybuilding.com don't. It's not as huge as Reddit, but it's way loving bigger than the parts of Reddit that Violentacrez lorded over were, it's as "mainstream" as internet communities get.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Mar 12, 2018

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Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

4chan hilariously never got half the poo poo Reddit did for its pedos, because while they're out and proud there there's no moderator position to appoint them to.
4chan actually does have mods, but they spend most of their time killing bot spam and blatantly illegal poo poo. Hard to be concerned with dude1 saying how hot he thinks his little cousin is when dude2-900 are actually posting little girl sex tapes.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
/\/\/\ this re: 4chan. They got moderators too, they're just buried and it's a smaller community overall. But every place eventually gets them. Bc turns out that a responsibility-free slop of human filth is terrible.

For the sis sitch, yeah, I agree it was prob more about the social anxiety, but I do think lots of dudes unconsciously think women are around to train/take care of people. Of course, I might be reading into it bc recently my dad-in-law called my sis-in-law just assuming she'd be cool with giving up her life and becoming his nursemaid bc she's not married. OH SOCIETY.

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 12, 2018

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.
TX - I am a private investigator who was hired to find the biological parents of a person adoped in the 80s. Found out his bio dad is the same bio dad as his wife.

quote:

So this guy is not actually a client, just very good friend whoI have been helping over the years try to find his parents in my spare time.

This is important.

He is white, and his wife is black.

In my investigation I learned that the baby was put up for infant adoption by his bio parents. Over the years I was able to track down the information. I will not say how and everyone will probably understand why soon.

The medical records list the parents by first name only, but that gave me a starting point. It took a few years but I learned the name of his dad and it scared the hell out of me. I confirmed it a month ago, his dad is the same dad as his wife.

I quickly buried everything I had and have not told him or his wife yet. I then tried to find out how a marriage license was issued as I know they check adoption records to avoid this very thing, but quickly found out the answer. A county clerk got lazy when she saw the mixed race couple and did not do her due diligence. This was a cheap JP wedding with a license issued in just a few days back in the early 2000s. I can understand why this happened as most people would not believe a white man and a black woman are brother and sister. Well half b/s anyways.

I know that I probably have a obligation to tell them. I know the father as well and have been avoiding him recently. I am concerned about the legal ramifications in all of this. Obviously the marriage would be annulled, but what about their 2 kids? They have a 17 year old boy and a 14 year old girl.

This is going to ruin the lives of 5 people here, possibly more.

Moral obligations aside, do I have a legal requirement to report this? He was never a paid client so I have no contractual obligations to him.

Basically I am just wondering how and where to proceed, or even if to proceed.

:popeye:

Holy poo poo.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Kuros posted:

TX - I am a private investigator who was hired to find the biological parents of a person adoped in the 80s. Found out his bio dad is the same bio dad as his wife.


:popeye:

Holy poo poo.

haha take this to the grave

Barudak
May 7, 2007

boner confessor posted:

haha take this to the grave

And Beyond!

Otherwise youll die and theyll find your research on the westermark effect scrawled with red ink “Never tell Dave” and thats all she wrote

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
Yeah I'd go into the ground keeping that one to myself.

think of all the interracial incest porn they could make though

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
My only worry would be any potential issues those poor kids may have. Is it ethical to keep possible genetic issues from them?

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Kuros posted:

TX - I am a private investigator who was hired to find the biological parents of a person adoped in the 80s. Found out his bio dad is the same bio dad as his wife.


:popeye:

Holy poo poo.

It sounds like he's been looking on and off for years. He can probably just never bring it up again and hope no one asks. He needs to wait at LEAST until those kids are 18, preferably 22 and independent.

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018
Oh man, I'm not going to leak but I think I'm hitting peak lulz with /r/relationships: they closed the thread because everyone was melting down and yelling at me, so I messaged their mods saying I have a thick skin unlike most of the subreddit and don't mind keeping it open.

Got an automated reply back basically saying "we closed it because people were being mean"

So then I write something up that's JUST snarky enough to get under their skin while not sounding like a troll, stating that I'm sorry I wasn't more direct since people on the spectrum often need you to verbalize your needs explicitly, that I do not mind the negative comments and that closing the thread means I also lose helpful comments.

So now they're telling me that someone other than me the poster might be sad I'm being insulted and seem to be getting worked up.

:ironicat:

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


The risks from one generation of incest in an otherwise healthy family aren't that huge. The main thing is that they might have the same recessive genetic disease, which can of course also happen with unrelated people.

Obviously don't sleep with your siblings, but your children won't automatically be crippled because of it.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

StrangersInTheNight posted:

My only worry would be any potential issues those poor kids may have. Is it ethical to keep possible genetic issues from them?

Theoretically half-siblings should be okay unless there's a known genetic defect already, and since the kids are in to puberty, I think that would have shown up.

gently caress, this is a rough one. I kinda feel your two options are:

1. Tell no one
2. Tell the father that his kids are married to each other, and see how he takes it. If he lives through the revelation.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

I mean yeah if you're trying to keep a community somewhat sane, it makes sense to shut down the crazy dude wandering in, throwing open his trenchcoat and revealing his dick while crying PUNCH IT HARDER

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

StrangersInTheNight posted:

My only worry would be any potential issues those poor kids may have. Is it ethical to keep possible genetic issues from them?

I'm not a geneticist but my understanding is that this is only a thing with repeated inbreeding. The taboo is to prevent people from starting a bad habit, but that actual genetic issues only occur several generations down. A single generation from parents that are only half-sibling shouldn't be a concern from a health standpoint.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

StrangersInTheNight posted:

My only worry would be any potential issues those poor kids may have. Is it ethical to keep possible genetic issues from them?

so long as they and their children can refrain from loving each other it's probably a medical problem about on par with being English, way less of a concern than the psychological and social impact of finding out you're the product of incest.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
I know the risks are very low, I just always worry with the higher chance of bad recessive genes meeting up since it's more likely in the same gene pool. Like Tay Sachs. But I am probably an anxious goon in that regard.

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

StrangersInTheNight posted:

I mean yeah if you're trying to keep a community somewhat sane, it makes sense to shut down the crazy dude wandering in, throwing open his trenchcoat and revealing his dick while crying PUNCH IT HARDER

yeah it's just funny because they seem unwilling to just say "it's not producing productive discussion", they seem really big on having a Valid Reason. And so if you poke a hole in their logic they flounder around and get flustered.

Whereas /r/legaladvice would just be like "We're a private sub, we can ban for any reason or no reason, and you're now muted"

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

StrangersInTheNight posted:

I know the risks are very low, I just always worry with the higher chance of bad recessive genes meeting up since it's more likely in the same gene pool. Like Tay Sachs. But I am probably an anxious goon in that regard.

this really just opens the larger issue that one of those kids is probably gonna get a 23andme done someday

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Yeah I'd go into the ground keeping that one to myself.

think of all the interracial incest porn they could make though

Sorry dude, never could track them down.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Yeah reddit moderation is weird, every little sub is its own fiefdom with its own entire system. Some places will just be like "I banned you for breaking this sub's golden rule, the Mike rule, I'm mike and I don't think the pun in you user name is funny so bye" while others will ban people and shut down threads for just as arbitrary and capricious reasons but try to dress the whole process up as this very serious matter of internet rule of law and bureaucratic process.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Chomp8645 posted:

I'm not a geneticist but my understanding is that this is only a thing with repeated inbreeding. The taboo is to prevent people from starting a bad habit, but that actual genetic issues only occur several generations down. A single generation from parents that are only half-sibling shouldn't be a concern from a health standpoint.

yeah given that they present as different races, the sibling-parents probably have enough genetic diversity between them from having racially different mothers to where the kids are probably fine

like it's not great for siblings to have kids but you're not really flirting with serious inbred problems until you get into hapsburg level consanguinuity

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Baronjutter posted:

Yeah reddit moderation is weird, every little sub is its own fiefdom with its own entire system. Some places will just be like "I banned you for breaking this sub's golden rule, the Mike rule, I'm mike and I don't think the pun in you user name is funny so bye" while others will ban people and shut down threads for just as arbitrary and capricious reasons but try to dress the whole process up as this very serious matter of internet rule of law and bureaucratic process.

It's like the US - a largely disorganized 'fed' undermined by competing systems in separate 'states'. We all know how well that works out!

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Mar 12, 2018

flick my Mr. Bean
Nov 18, 2014

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Oh you'd be wrong. It was a while back but there was the story of the black woman who found her white fiance was watching some really racist humiliation porn (like tons of it) and then tried to call her his slave and force her head down. She bit his dick, threw his engagement ring in the garbage and got the gently caress out, and all the white people she thought were her friends were trying to defend him and guilt get into giving him another chance.

There was a similar story a while back but it was the black wife who wanted her white husband to call her racial slurs, call her a slave, etc. during sex but freaked the gently caress out when he actually did it because it turns out dehumanizing poo poo can be...you know...dehumanizing.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
tfw you finally cave to 30 years of begging for slave roleplay and suddenly you're the racist

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

flick my Mr. Bean posted:

There was a similar story a while back but it was the black wife who wanted her white husband to call her racial slurs, call her a slave, etc. during sex but freaked the gently caress out when he actually did it because it turns out dehumanizing poo poo can be...you know...dehumanizing.

If I remember, it was the husband who posted the story, and he felt loving terrible, AND his wife couldn't look at him the same way any more. That was a sad story. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

Baronjutter posted:

others will ban people and shut down threads for just as arbitrary and capricious reasons but try to dress the whole process up as this very serious matter of internet rule of law and bureaucratic process.

yes and that's what's so great. they want you to get frustrated and swear or something so they can go full sealion. "Oh I was trying to civilly explain the rules, but now you're swearing? banned :smug:"

If you stay polite sometimes they'll flip out on you because they're so drat mad you won't give them a way to bring the hammer.

Anyways, here's some content from my new favorite subreddit: /r/badroommates

When your movers say "there's something wrong with that lady" you know you're in for a treat. (self.badroommates)

quote:

Let's be honest, I knew she was a little silly when I interviewed to rent a bedroom in a bay area California home. But she was friendly enough and her husband seemed cool so I figured it should be fine if I kept to myself. Following another roommate nightmare where the douchbag gets us both evicted on my first month there, I was in a desperate hurry to find a place in a market that does not favor those with lower incomes. $700 for a room in a house that lets you use the kitchen is a good deal here, to give you an idea how bad it is.

She found me through Craigslist. I put up a semi-ranty ad about how I need a place now because of the last rear end in a top hat roommate. So she took pity on me and selected me as the one to live with her and her husband after an interview. She played angel of mercy as she promised my search for a good home was at an end and my stress was over. She laid it on pretty thick but regardless of her intent, the numbers didn't lie. Cheap rent, cheap security, decent room.

Day 1, she screams at my movers. They showed up about 10 minutes before me. When I got there, one of them mustered the best English he could to tell me my new master tenant was messed up in the head.

She sits me down with the rental agreement. Movers can't bring anything in until it's signed. It takes a half hour and 50 more dollars to the movers for their time. I get moved in. I try to set up. She won't stop talking to me. Won't leave me alone. Won't shut the gently caress up. I left a large storage container in an out-of-the-way corner in the large kitchen. Took a short break. Came back and she's sitting me down to discuss if I think it's appropriate to leave things laying around in the kitchen. Oh poo poo.

I discovered the closet reeked of cat piss. She denied it being "the cat's room" as I suggested it may have been. When I lifted the corner of the carpet where it also smelled a little catty, I found cat litter. God drat why didn't I inspect the room better? I let it go. I was already beginning to see the writing on the wall and couldn't afford another gently caress-over just yet.

Told me I couldn't get mail at the address because she was hiding me from her uncle who does the taxes. Claimed she told me this up front, did not.

Originally we agreed to split the cost of TP. When I saw she uses a roll a day on her fat rear end and I use a roll a week, I backed out of that agreement and bought my own toilet paper. I was upfront about it. After that she stopped putting a roll of TP on the dispenser. She also hides the paper towels from me even though I always have my own.

Agreed that I would have to receive certain bits of mail. Sends all my mail back to the post office because I "didn't keep my word" because other mail came during the time between the time I started forwarding and the time I changed the forwarding to my work address.

Demanded cash only for rent payments, again, hiding from the uncle.

Her uncle gave her the rental agreement papers.

Came to me in an obvious near-panic, wringing her hands and indirectly, passive-aggressively accusing me of being spiteful and rude for not keeping steam off of the mirror after my shower. (The steam on the mirror rots the wood of the cabinet. I found out also that the steam that forms on the cabinet itself, however, does not. No point in trying to reason with the insane.) I did point out that she needed only tell me what she wants and accusing me of being spiteful won't help the situation. She denied any such accusation, and while tugging at her hair and wringing her hands madly, asserted that I don't know her well enough to read her body language. O. loving. K. Lady.

Locked me in the garage for starting a load of wash at noon. When I tried to open the door, then knocked, she opened the door and said to be careful not to lock myself in. It was a dead-bolt lock.

Wrote me long 3-page notes about not wanting to be my mom because there were water droplets left on the bathroom sink.

Was mad that my shower caddy wasn't white.

Was unhealthily pleased that I bought a toilet brush.

Feeds 15 stray cats every day on the front porch. Puts cat food under my car and hers.

Is obsessed with me being ultra-tidy, and I mean not a speck of wetness on the kitchen sink tidy. Doesn't keep tidy herself. On day 2 the house smelled like the worst rancid trash I could remember due to her green-waste bin.

I asked if her husband needed help in the garage when I heard a 15 minute struggle while trying to change a fuse. She wrote a fierce note about questioning his ability. (He is partially crippled from a brain-stem injury.) When I spoke to him, he explained he was struggling to move boxes out of the way of the fuse box. She stood and watched him struggle, but my offering to help was a huge insult.

Day 1, she asked me not to slam the screen door. I was sure I didn't. Days 2 and 3 I was very quiet. She came to me again about slamming the door. Days 15-20, I closed the door like a ninja surgeon. I got another frustrated and rambling note about waking them every day slamming the door. When I saw her, I explained it must be a different noise, we should find out what it was so I can stop it. I took her to the door. I went to show her exactly how I closed it. "YOU'RE DOING THIS!!" she said, and slammed the screen. Now I'm sick of her. "I'm not going to be able to do anything for you if you're just going to make up reasons to yell at me." "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR?????" She shouts as her normally vapid looking eyes come to life with rage.

Continuing this, her husband, who is really a super cool guy but whipped servant of the harpy, comes out to calm her down. He tries to mediate our argument. In the discussion I told her I was tired of being accused of maliciousness every time I walked in and out the door. She menaced towards me, approaching my personal space. Fearing the worst I pull out my phone to video. She starts to taunt me, telling me to be a man. Hot button issue with me.

Now impassioned, I tell her sternly about how I won't have her speak to me that way. I told her about how I just got out of a relationship in which I constantly received the same kind of verbal abuse. "I wonder why." She says. "Because she was a lovely person." I replied.

And now she doesn't talk to me. At all. Will not be in the same room. Pretends to be startled and scared if we cross paths. Acts like a 10-year-old. She's loving nuts. That's been going on for 2 months.

So yeah, I'm moving. 2 days left here. Thankfully her husband is such a swell fella or I would be terrified.

I think this next lady is normal.. 3 other males living there, all clean cut looking kids who've been there over a year. Wish me luck.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Chomp8645 posted:

I'm not a geneticist but my understanding is that this is only a thing with repeated inbreeding. The taboo is to prevent people from starting a bad habit, but that actual genetic issues only occur several generations down. A single generation from parents that are only half-sibling shouldn't be a concern from a health standpoint.

You’re wrong. A major problem with inbreeding, genetically, is loss of heterozygosity at disease-causing alleles. That is obviously compounded with successive generations but if a parent has a recessive allele, or one that causes a minor heterozygous phenotype but a major homozygous one you can have issues with the first inbred generation.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
Man 99.9% of the time you are wrong to antagonize a crazy person, because it will only involve them in your life more, but this lady already lives with her. I can't really fathom why she paid any rent and didn't torment that landlady incessantly, christ.

flick my Mr. Bean
Nov 18, 2014

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

Me [19M] parents [53F 58M] saw me using heroin again and want to send me to rehab again and will kick me out if I don't

I live at this house and I should have tenant's rights, so I don't think they are legally allowed to kick me out.



lmao I'd love to see this court case. Heroin v. Tenant Rights

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Man 99.9% of the time you are wrong to antagonize a crazy person, because it will only involve them in your life more, but this lady already lives with her. I can't really fathom why she paid any rent and didn't torment that landlady incessantly, christ.

people will do terrible, disgusting things for a $700 bedroom in the bay area

SF is a circle of hell

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
If you repeatedly and pointlessly antagonizes me, each time pointing out a different thing that makes you very upset, then I once I decide that, indeed, I will antagonize you, I will know exactly how to do so.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

flick my Mr. Bean posted:

lmao I'd love to see this court case. Heroin v. Tenant Rights

i know a guy like this. i worked with his mom, who long story short kicked her heroin addict son out of the house but allowed him to live in the backyard in a tent, so he could at least come inside to shower every once in a while. apparently he got tired of making GBS threads in catholes (not tired of heroin though) and tried to call the police on his mom. it didn't turn out well for him

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Caganer posted:

My “enemy” (21/F) cared for me (21/F) after being drugged and protected me from a creep
I like this one. Reminded me of that old P.O.D "Will You" music video that I haven't thought about in 15 years.

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

Palpek posted:

I like this one. Reminded me of that old P.O.D "Will You" music video that I haven't thought about in 15 years.

i didn;'t realize they had more than one song (BOOM!), neato

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pm4qHWixz8

sunken fleet
Apr 25, 2010

dreams of an unchanging future,
a today like yesterday,
a tomorrow like today.
Fallen Rib

StrangersInTheNight posted:

My only worry would be any potential issues those poor kids may have. Is it ethical to keep possible genetic issues from them?

Also what if the couple has more kids? I wonder if the PI op has any sort of legal responsibility in a situation like this.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008

sunken fleet posted:

Also what if the couple has more kids? I wonder if the PI op has any sort of legal responsibility in a situation like this.

If their youngest child is 14, I'd say it's pretty likely they're not planning on having any more. Given the kids' ages, I'd hope that any serious issues would be apparent by now, but I'm sure things can turn up later in life too.

I say this dude should take it to his grave. Telling them basically means destroying a presumably happy family. If they're all functional people and seem happy together, then I would say it just isn't worth it. Although, I guess there's nothing stopping the husband from going to a different PI or trying to find out on his own.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


I think that PI one is fake mainly because the exact same thing happened on Bored to Death

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Al Borland Corp. posted:

I think that PI one is fake mainly because the exact same thing happened on Bored to Death

gently caress, it was also an episode of House with some teens.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Al Borland Corp. posted:

I think that PI one is fake mainly because the exact same thing happened on Bored to Death

There's a whole app for making sure you're not related to someone you're loving in Iceland. At least it is a thing that happens.

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COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I'm dying in this panda express right now imagining a very angry white lady fervently studying interracial porn.

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