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krysmopompas posted:Putting an offer down, and it being accepted, doesn’t mean that the deal is done. You still have the opportunity for some due dilly and price readjustment based on what you find. It isn't how homebuying is done in general, but it is in California. Homebuyers are competing with investment buyers who don't ask any questions and don't even see the property before it belongs to them, if ever. It is super lovely but the CA market is lovely and insane.
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Why is this loving legal?
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Mar 14, 2018 05:59
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Why is this loving legal? Honest reply, because the folks in place to regulate won't due to THE HOUSING MARKET. We're lucky there's a stipulation for mandatory Termite review. Honestly, why the gently caress is it legal to list a home that has illegal or unpermitted additions?
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Mar 14, 2018 07:25
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FilthyImp posted:Honestly, why the gently caress is it legal to list a home that has illegal or unpermitted additions? Probably because there’s so many people in this situation that it would effectively act like a regressive tax. The landed gentry have the resources to fix the problem and would benefit from a constricted market, since poorer owners would be blocked from selling, in an area with a growing population. Not to mention it would be a massive handout to construction interests, which doesn’t necessarily get into labor’s hands in proportion to the community’s sacrifice. Amnesty programs seem to work ok, letting things transition over time, while keeping everything out in the open.
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Mar 14, 2018 09:11
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As someone who bought a house in a hot neighborhood in LA, the answer is basically "Get Lucky" It was incredibly loving frustrating. Though it has appreciated a hilariously large amount since I bought it, this market is nuts. LA needs to build tall buildings everywhere like Tokyo.
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Mar 14, 2018 10:14
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FilthyImp posted:Honestly, why the gently caress is it legal to list a home that has illegal or unpermitted additions? I just looked at a place with a garage converted to an apartment without permits, and my agent couldn't understand why I found that worrying. gently caress this market.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:39
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My last house in San Jose had a super lovely guest house in the backyard with a DIY sewer line cobbled together running above ground (covered by some planter boxes) connecting to the main house sewer line through a basement window. After we moved in we discovered the pipe had multiple cracks and was despositing the sewage directing into the planter box and under the guest house. For months. Later we discovered from the neighbors the guest house was originally a chicken coop. Didn't slow down the house being sold at all though, for ~100k more than we bought for!
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Mar 14, 2018 17:38
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Yeah, when you buy a house, you p much have to expect to have to dehumanize yourself and face to $50k-$200k of necessary repairs and improvements on top of whatever you're paying for the house itself. In Silicon Valley, lots of house bids are made by people just bidding on the lot and who fully intend a complete teardown and brand new construction so the actual condition of the house really doesn't matter. Full of mold, leaking pipes, drywall has soaked-in bloodstains? Doesn't matter, it'll all get scraped down to the foundation pad. FMguru fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 17:42
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FMguru posted:Yeah, when you buy a house, you p much have to expect to have to dehumanize yourself and face to $50k-$200k of necessary repairs and improvements on top of whatever you're paying for the house itself. Yeah we made the mistake of actually expecting to live there. Bad idea.
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Mar 14, 2018 17:47
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FMguru posted:In Silicon Valley, lots of house bids are made by people just bidding on the lot and who fully intend a complete teardown and brand new construction so the actual condition of the house really doesn't matter. Full of mold, leaking pipes, drywall has soaked-in bloodstains? Doesn't matter, it'll all get scraped down to the foundation pad. In a sick sort of way, this makes sense. If you're going to spend $2.5M on a quarter-acre plot, you might as well add another half million and plop your perfect dream house on it. (Or you could just sit on the money and retire to a beach house in Belize twenty years early for the same cost, but hey, who's counting?)
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Mar 14, 2018 18:24
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This is all disgusting to me. Get you housing situation together California. You can't be pro-liberal and against affordable housing at the same time.
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Mar 14, 2018 18:30
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is all disgusting to me. But how are the schools?
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Sundae posted:In a sick sort of way, this makes sense. If you're going to spend $2.5M on a quarter-acre plot, you might as well add another half million and plop your perfect dream house on it. (Or you could just sit on the money and retire to a beach house in Belize twenty years early for the same cost, but hey, who's counting?) Zillow says my mom's house in socal is 1.75M and it's probably worth more (jesus christ), but before she retires and moves to Carson City she has talked about putting 25k into redoing the kitchen or bathroom or something to "raise the value" and I keep telling her that at the required amount of money a theoretical buyer will command makes those improvements pointless because they don't want her ideas of improvements, and when you're forking out 2M what's an extra 0.1M at that point to have it the way you want?
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punk rebel ecks posted:You can't be pro-liberal and against affordable housing at the same time.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:22
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CopperHound posted:California is great at cognitive dissonance. Most people are in favor of the general idea of helping low-income/imigrants/homeless, but when it comes time to actually do what needs to be done to address these things most people are not willing to make any sacrifice. Sounds like liberalism in general.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:43
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I see this all the time in local groups. The same old progressives that championed for Bernie and lament the out of control housing costs are the same people who show up to city council meetings to oppose any development.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:06
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The only development I oppose is more single-family tract homes, I'll take any medium-to-high density housing I can get, more sprawl and going deeper into the Grown Ponzi Scheme (https://www.strongtowns.org/the-growth-ponzi-scheme/) is not the answer. I got an empty lot behind me, go ahead and jam four stories of condos on it that I can see from my back porch, I don't give a poo poo.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:09
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We need more dense housing! Uh, over there. Not here. Neighborhood preservation, you know. Can you imagine the traffic? And what about my sightlines!
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Mar 14, 2018 20:10
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The only development I oppose is more single-family tract homes, I'll take any medium-to-high density housing I can get, more sprawl and going deeper into the Grown Ponzi Scheme (https://www.strongtowns.org/the-growth-ponzi-scheme/) is not the answer. I got an empty lot behind me, go ahead and jam four stories of condos on it that I can see from my back porch, I don't give a poo poo. Nah, I’ll take anything at this point. In any case, apartment living frankly sucks, especially if you have kids.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:22
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We have to preserve the character of our neighborhood. The character is no one talks to or sees anyone and we call the cops on colored people
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Mar 14, 2018 20:22
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Reminds me of this great Onion article from 2000The Onion posted:Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Nah, I’ll take anything at this point. In any case, apartment living frankly sucks, especially if you have kids. No, apartment living sucks because modern suburbs are total wastelands for raising children and our sense of community has been utterly atomized and destroyed by late stage capitalism.
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CopperHound posted:I see this all the time in local groups. The same old progressives that championed for Bernie and lament the out of control housing costs are the same people who show up to city council meetings to oppose any development. I’m so sick of this. I had someone tell me they didn’t like some auto shop being turned into apartments in San Francisco because it would limit the amount of natural light going into her living room and her housemate would be sad because she liked to sit on the roof of that auto shop.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:56
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FMguru posted:We need more dense housing! Uh, over there. Not here. Neighborhood preservation, you know. Can you imagine the traffic? And what about my sightlines! Why don't they just put into law that they build these dense housings in every neighborhood?
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Mar 14, 2018 21:07
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why don't they just put into law that they build these dense housings in every neighborhood? Comply with state mandated housing growth rates or get a homeless shelter and people bused in.
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Mar 14, 2018 21:24
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why don't they just put into law that they build these dense housings in every neighborhood? Not sure what you mean, but Long Beach just tried it and they had to build a tent outside City Hall for the meeting because it had more angry old white people than a Trump rally.
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Zachack posted:Zillow says my mom's house in socal is 1.75M and it's probably worth more (jesus christ), but before she retires and moves to Carson City she has talked about putting 25k into redoing the kitchen or bathroom or something to "raise the value" and I keep telling her that at the required amount of money a theoretical buyer will command makes those improvements pointless because they don't want her ideas of improvements, and when you're forking out 2M what's an extra 0.1M at that point to have it the way you want? This isn't necessarily true. Stupidly, doing improvements can still bump up the price even if buyers are looking to do a complete teardown.
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Jaxyon posted:Not sure what you mean, but Long Beach just tried it and they had to build a tent outside City Hall for the meeting because it had more angry old white people than a Trump rally. That was a pretty wild response. I follow the mayor on facebook and his comments are filled with such vitriol from people whenever he announces wanting to improve anything.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:No, apartment living sucks because modern suburbs are total wastelands for raising children and our sense of community has been utterly atomized and destroyed by late stage capitalism. Apartment living can be fine as long as the units have proper sound insulation (both between units on the same floor, as well as above/below). The worst thing in the world is when your upstairs neighbor has a girlfriend who brays like a donkey every time she gets drunk, which is 3-4 nights per week. gently caress...
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Jaxyon posted:Not sure what you mean, but Long Beach just tried it and they had to build a tent outside City Hall for the meeting because it had more angry old white people than a Trump rally. Why wasn't there another tent of people who want affordable housing and to put pressure on the mayor to ignore the old people?
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Chadderbox posted:Apartment living can be fine as long as the units have proper sound insulation (both between units on the same floor, as well as above/below). The worst thing in the world is when your upstairs neighbor has a girlfriend who brays like a donkey every time she gets drunk, which is 3-4 nights per week. gently caress... Yeah it's very dependent on your neighbors, again this is because your poo poo landlord doesn't care that they put a family of four next to somebody who parties all night. If you actually had family-only zoned apartments it would help a lot. punk rebel ecks posted:Why wasn't there another tent of people who want affordable housing and to put pressure on the mayor to ignore the old people? Busy working, I imagine. Unlike old retired boomer fucks coasting on their huge pensions (that no following generation can get)
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Busy working, I imagine. Unlike old retired boomer fucks coasting on their huge pensions (that no following generation can get) Mismatch of caring. There is likely some gently caress personally offended by some specific development. There is no existing constituency for a nonexistent building. Anyone who would be eventually helped would probably only be by a penny or less for any one specific building. We need hundreds of thousands to millions of more housing units. Who wants to deal with a crazy shitlord over any given one?
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is all disgusting to me. Gonna get hammered for this one probably, but the secret is most Californian homeowners aren't actually liberals.  The moment something personally inconveniences a stakeholder, you can count on them throwing morals straight out the window.   quote:Mismatch of caring. There is likely some gently caress personally offended by some specific development. There is no existing constituency for a nonexistent building. Anyone who would be eventually helped would probably only be by a penny or less for any one specific building. We need hundreds of thousands to millions of more housing units. Who wants to deal with a crazy shitlord over any given one? Also, any industry group which might care about that development interfering with their existing businesses can always find people to bring in to a meeting, even if they're from outside the community. We had people from all over the loving state showing up in the bay area last Sept-Nov because of how many towns had rent control measures on their ballots. Nobody wanted to risk that stuff spreading, so rental property groups from pretty much everywhere were canvassing non-stop.
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Housing won't get fixed ever because it is the ultimate NIMBY issue. People don't care about it unless they're looking for a house. Once they find a 'deal' or get lucky or whatever, they're like HAHAHA I GOT MINE, and don't care about fixing the issue for anyone else. Sort of like how Prop 13 won't ever get fixed.
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Of course it will get fixed, but like most human projects it will have to fail catastrophically and cause vast amounts of pointless misery and scare the rich before anything is done.
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Mar 14, 2018 23:32
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Full Communism Now.
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Mar 14, 2018 23:42
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Own property. The right to vote in municipal elections. Pick one.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why wasn't there another tent of people who want affordable housing and to put pressure on the mayor to ignore the old people? They were working to afford the 1br apartment where they sleep in the living room to make it effectively 2br shared with with a friend. From a voting standpoint people do want more housing but local politics is won by angry old whites with nothing but time on their hands to be assholes.
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Full Urbanism Now.Jaxyon posted:They were working to afford the 1br apartment where they sleep in the living room to make it effectively 2br shared with with a friend. quote:Mayor Ed Murray dissolved all formal ties between the city and the 13 neighborhood District Councils last Wednesday, upending a system three decades old. Since then, reaction has ranged from surprise and anger from the district councilmembers, to praise from the system’s critics, who argue it isn’t representative of Seattle’s modern demographics. Cicero fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Sundae posted:Gonna get hammered for this one probably, but the secret is most Californian homeowners aren't actually liberals. Try this hot take on for size. Most Californians (that I've met thus far) aren't actually liberals. As someone that was active in progressive community action in PA and NJ, I'm kind of shocked at how regressive this "solid blue" state is. I mean, everyone I meet talks big about gay rights, inclusive bathrooms, gun control, etc., etc. right before spouting off a sentence on economics that comes right out of "The Big Book of Reagan-era Beliefs".
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