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COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Just tell 'em, in a jocular manner.

If you don't, either they'll care and that'll suck when you whip it out or they won't.

If you do, either they'll care and you'll save yourself a lot of additional time/effort/embarrassment or they won't. If they run with your joking manner and make lewd jokes about mouth/fingers, bonus points.



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boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Barudak posted:

Theres nothing to indicate the sex was particularly bad, either. She only gets mad once he mentions he was a virgin.


i'm just assuming it was bad because sex is a skill learned over time and she didn't want to say it was disappointing until he said "wow, not bad for a first timer eh?" which was her opportunity. otherwise it's pretty rude to ask people if they'd like some notes in the afterglow

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Again he confirmed in the comments that her objections were in fact sexual-proficiency-related

Barudak
May 7, 2007

boner confessor posted:

i'm just assuming it was bad because sex is a skill learned over time and she didn't want to say it was disappointing until he said "wow, not bad for a first timer eh?" which was her opportunity. otherwise it's pretty rude to ask people if they'd like some notes in the afterglow

10,000 hours is well and good but if youre 5 feet tall you still need a trampoline to dunk

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

quote:

Theres nothing to indicate the sex was particularly bad, either.

Virgins are bad at sex, it's a given.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Is it lying if you were never asked in the first place?

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




It's pretty funny that Anne completely denied almost exclusively siding down gender lines, then we get this amazing case in point...

And is it four times she's been asked, and completely ignored, about the Clerks example? :allears:

Barudak
May 7, 2007

loquacius posted:

Again he confirmed in the comments that her objections were in fact sexual-proficiency-related

RIP my defense.

Well time to go out and gently caress some other people where he no longer has to say “Im a virgin” and can instead rely on “Im bad at sex, give me some tips”

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

Johnny Truant posted:

It's pretty funny that Anne completely denied almost exclusively siding down gender lines, then we get this amazing case in point...

And is it four times she's been asked, and completely ignored, about the Clerks example? :allears:
A, it's not gender-related, my personal experience had the genders exactly opposite and guess what my stance was then?

B, it's weird the point of this thread is reading and yet people are so reluctant to read

Anne Whateley posted:

If it was an experienced woman dating a guy who was super Christian, I would also be like uhhh it would be a good idea to tell him. In mainstream society it's reasonable to assume a 25-year-old isn't a virgin, in super Christian circles it's the opposite.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

COMRADES posted:

Virgins are bad at sex, it's a given.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QgSGH5mQA&t=80s

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Is it lying if you were never asked in the first place?

it can be, if the thing you're neglecting to mention matters. having chlamydia, yes. being a virgin, imo no

i've never hosed upside down in the dark but i also dont feel the need to mention this to potential partners

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Maybe if he was super Christian and cared that much he'd ask about it beforehand.

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

Just lmao if you apply for an entry level position with anything less than 4 years of experience

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
These are extreme outlier examples anyway. Yeah, if a porn star was dating a born again Christian straight arrow maybe it'd be a good idea to disclose before marriage.

If two 20 year olds are meeting up they aren't under obligation to disclose otherwise normal sex histories to each other. It's not like the guy has some weird STD or condition that he needs to warn the other person about first. The fact is that it can be embarrassing or shameful to admit for dudes in their 20s, outside of religious circles and whatnot.

The sex wasn't that good. It's not that big of a deal break up and move on. What's even the desired outcome here? He admits he did wrong and she smugly goes "aha!" before breaking up with him anyway?

COMRADES fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Mar 16, 2018

MachineryNoise
Jan 13, 2008

So I shout "Set your life on fire!"
I'm going to require a detailed essay, at least 3 references and video evidence of your sexual prowess before I allow your wee-wee in my hoo-ha.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
For me it's more like "if it's something less common that you know the other person in the relationship would care about." Like in relationships I'm always upfront that I don't want kids, because most people do, or like if someone I was starting to date was polyamorous I would want them to let me know upfront, because most people aren't.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Im sorry, were looking for candidates that have PhDs in applied loving, not theoretical loving.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

COMRADES posted:

The sex wasn't that good. It's not that big of a deal break up and move on. What's even the desired outcome here? He admits he did wrong and she smugly goes "aha!" before breaking up with him anyway?

yes, by blaming him for being a virgin she gets to pretend that she's breaking up with a liar and not with someone who is bad in bed, thus she doesn't have to admit to herself that being bad in bed is important

which, of course, it is. sexual compatibility is pretty important, and a bad sex life can torch a relationship. but she has the opportunity to educate him via lots of sex (which is the point of dating) so i'm guessing she has some kind of hangup here where she can't admit to herself that she's entering relationships for the purpose of sex - they were dating for two months before sex which is a little on the longer side of things

Anne Whateley posted:

For me it's more like "if it's something less common that you know the other person in the relationship would care about." Like in relationships I'm always upfront that I don't want kids, because most people do, or like if someone I was starting to date was polyamorous I would want them to let me know upfront, because most people aren't.

yeah the disagreement here isn't whether or not he lied (he kinda did) but rather whether the thing he lied about is actually important (imo it is not)

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

CheesyDog posted:

My former friend wants to hire a loving hitman on a 12-year-old because they made fun of his penis size

Hahaha

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




loquacius posted:

Can you please explain to me exactly how it is relevant to her whether he had had sex before, and how this is distinct from my example where a guy gets mad at his girlfriend for having had Too Much Sex before they met

This question, answer this question

Barudak
May 7, 2007

What happens if you find out your partner faked their foundational fucks? Like obviously their loving history after that speaks for itself, but the initial lie remains.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Anne Whateley posted:

B, it's weird the point of this thread is reading and yet people are so reluctant to read

That's a very good answer to a question I didn't ask

Dante Hicks is not particularly Christian (he's probably Catholic since he's a Kevin Smith character but this never comes up). He finds out that, before they met, his girlfriend, Veronica, had sucked a total of 36 other dicks (I'm pretty sure the 37 figure is counting Dante). No particular explanation, she just likes sucking dicks and had gone on a lot of dates. He gets mad, presumably because he had some kind of unspoken internal rule regarding how many dicks it is appropriate for someone to have sucked, and eventually tries to reconnect with his ex instead.

Is Dante in the right in this situation? If not, how exactly is his scenario different from the one under discussion?

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Barudak posted:

What happens if you find out your partner faked their foundational fucks? Like obviously their loving history after that speaks for itself, but the initial lie remains.

/r/relationships: your partner faked their foundational fucks

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

don't fake the gently caress on a nasty duck

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
I think it's fair to assume people you're dating are sexhavers because obv most people in normal society are sexhavers. In a context where most people are not sexhavers (that's where the Christian part is coming from), it's fair to assume people you're dating aren't sexhavers.

If you aren't the norm for something like that (sex, kids, polyamory, whatever) and you have reason to believe your partner would care, that's when it would be a good idea to tell them. Again: not EVIL RAPIST. Just in your own self-interest it's a good idea to be upfront if you want to have a relationship with them.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

Anne Whateley posted:

I think it's fair to assume people you're dating are sexhavers because obv most people are sexhavers.

Full stop here because actually is doesn't matter at all lmao

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I always get a fuckground check on all my perspective partners. Had a Canadian Girlfriend who taught him how to use his hands just sounds too fishy to be true.

Master Stur
Jun 13, 2008

chasin' tail
Yo maybe if having a good fuckman as a partner is important you shouldn't wait 2 months and then get upset over your "wasted time" if they are bad, hth potential reddit daters

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Anne Whateley posted:

Just in your own self-interest it's a good idea to be upfront if you want to have a relationship with them.

if he was upfront about his virginity though he would have been dumped

better to ask forgiveness than permission in this case imo

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I'm not really sure he "had reason to believe she would care," he just thought it was something that she would judge him for despite it not really being her business, because this had happened to him before

(I've never tried being a 25-year-old male virgin but I can imagine it would in fact be something people would judge you for)

Regardless, her getting mad about it is much more revealing of her than it is of him

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Anne Whateley posted:

I think it's fair to assume people you're dating are sexhavers because obv most people in normal society are sexhavers. In a context where most people are not sexhavers (that's where the Christian part is coming from), it's fair to assume people you're dating aren't sexhavers.

If you aren't the norm for something like that (sex, kids, polyamory, whatever) and you have reason to believe your partner would care, that's when it would be a good idea to tell them. Again: not EVIL RAPIST. Just in your own self-interest it's a good idea to be upfront if you want to have a relationship with them.

again... :allears:

loquacius posted:

That's a very good answer to a question I didn't ask

Dante Hicks is not particularly Christian (he's probably Catholic since he's a Kevin Smith character but this never comes up). He finds out that, before they met, his girlfriend, Veronica, had sucked a total of 36 other dicks (I'm pretty sure the 37 figure is counting Dante). No particular explanation, she just likes sucking dicks and had gone on a lot of dates. He gets mad, presumably because he had some kind of unspoken internal rule regarding how many dicks it is appropriate for someone to have sucked, and eventually tries to reconnect with his ex instead.

Is Dante in the right in this situation? If not, how exactly is his scenario different from the one under discussion?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Master Stur posted:

Yo maybe if having a good fuckman as a partner is important you shouldn't wait 2 months and then get upset over your "wasted time" if they are bad, hth potential reddit daters

2 months ohhhhh nooooooo

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Pick posted:

2 months ohhhhh nooooooo

man I could have been having good sex the entirety of those two months :mad:

you owe me back sex

wait that came out wrong

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Pick posted:

2 months ohhhhh nooooooo

2 dates 2 many

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




loquacius posted:

man I could have been having good sex the entirety of those two months :mad:

you owe me back sex

wait that came out wrong

edit: woop, some NWS if you scroll down

https://goo.gl/images/VELTEp

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug
Less squabbles with the particular history of certain posters, more making fun of the hitman penis vengeance story because holy poo poo

Barudak
May 7, 2007

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Less squabbles with the particular history of certain posters, more making fun of the hitman penis vengeance story because holy poo poo

Its hard for me to laugh at because the dude is the sort of person who absolutely will kill some random people because nobody takes him seriously enough

CheesyDog
Jul 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I'll KILL HIM or maybe take his STEAM GAMES

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Barudak posted:

Its hard for me to laugh at because the dude is the sort of person who absolutely will kill some random people because nobody takes him seriously enough

yeah that's nervous haha not funny haha because that dude is going to murder someone

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Again :allears: if they were in a situation/culture where sexhaving was normal, which it sounds like it was, he should have assumed she was a sexhaver

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Less squabbles with the particular history of certain posters, more making fun of the hitman penis vengeance story because holy poo poo

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