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Enishidono posted:Bah, as much as I hate to admit it, I'm not wholly tired of this genre yet....somehow. No one is. Outside of Justice league all the comic book movies released in the last year have all done incredibly well. People should stop pretending comic book movies are just a fad at this point.
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And even then Justice League still made $650 million.
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Mar 17, 2018 18:07
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JT Smiley posted:No one is. Outside of Justice league all the comic book movies released in the last year have all done incredibly well. People should stop pretending comic book movies are just a fad at this point. I don't believe I ever thought of it as a fad, but I can't say I would have guessed it would explode to where it currently is. Not a bad thing, upon some thought. I do enjoy the hell out of most of the comic book movies so far, even Justice League had some good moments.
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Mar 17, 2018 18:10
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I think the sense a lot of critics/fans have is that superhero movies are a trend in the same way that gothic supernatural movies were a trend in the late 90s-2000s. Sure, they still make an Underworld or a Resident Evil or whatever each year, and it makes money, but there aren't 10 other sexy vampire techno movies all breaking the box office the same year. In other words, they think the market is shrinking, when the numbers basically say the exact opposite. Comic book adaptations are obviously here to stay, like adapting any form of story. I think the question, at this point, is whether "superheroes" are a stylistic trend, or big and unique enough to really be their own genre, like westerns or noir.
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Mar 17, 2018 18:23
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2017 had 6 big-two comics superhero movie adaptations, all of them were financial successes, and 5 of them were good.
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Mar 17, 2018 18:25
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Omnomnomnivore posted:2017 had 6 big-two comics superhero movie adaptations, all of them were financial successes, and 5 of them were good. I don't think Justice League was really a financial success unless you define that very broadly
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Mar 17, 2018 18:30
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I find the superhero movies are dyin cloud thing funny when Hollywood in general is deadset on rebooting old franchises ad nauseum because they apparently can't think of anything new to save their lives At least marvel is giving us a continuous, evolving storyline of good quality, which is more than you can say for most other film franchises
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Mar 17, 2018 18:35
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The fad argument is also bizarre when you consider major comic book movies have been around for 40 years now (Superman ‘78), and have been a Big Deal Event since Batman ‘89. And that’s not even counting the decades of film serials that preceded them. “But this one will surely be the film that bursts the bubble!” 
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Mar 17, 2018 19:09
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Barry Convex posted:I don't think Justice League was really a financial success unless you define that very broadly It comes close if you ignore the $1 billion spent on mustache removal.
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Mar 17, 2018 19:20
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Barry Convex posted:I don't think Justice League was really a financial success unless you define that very broadly Its budget was up around $300 million because of the extent of reshoots and it made $650 million or so, but that doesn't account for marketing (and there was a lot of marketing). So the movie itself may or may not have turned a profit. It will probably do well in terms of merchandise.streaming/home video etc. though. That's a pretty big revenue stream for these movies but it's never really clear how much of one. Big Mean Jerk posted:“But this one will surely be the film that bursts the bubble!” It was somewhat refreshing that people didn't say that for BP. The narrative there was, "How big of a success will it be?"
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Mar 17, 2018 19:38
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Chill Penguin posted:Also there was no Chinese star cameo, was there? Like that scientist in some of the Iron Man and Avengers movie.
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Mar 17, 2018 19:42
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
This was my favorite joke from the first Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Mar 17, 2018 19:50
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a walking tree and a talking raccoon?? no ones gonna go see that
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Mar 17, 2018 20:06
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The smart thing Marvel did was not go "hey its a marvel movie!" as much as "here's fun space movie!" because really, its Star Wars that's silly.
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Mar 17, 2018 21:01
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I liked it better when we got movies like Ang Lee's Hulk.
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Mar 17, 2018 21:03
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site posted:I find the superhero movies are dyin cloud thing funny when Hollywood in general is deadset on rebooting old franchises ad nauseum because they apparently can't think of anything new to save their lives There are new and original scripts but they don't see the light of day, because: 1: No one wants a blockbuster script from a nobody because it's a huge investment and a lot of writers without experience don't take notes well. To add to this a lot of inexperienced writers make dumb mistakes like over describing basic poo poo. So even if the premise is interesting the script gets tossed. 2: A lot of original content and fresh ideas are from women and poc and while attitudes are changing (mostly because of actors who are starting their own production companies and trying to push the industry forward) no big studios want scripts from them, especially if they are also in category one. Source: me starting with Lifetime/Hallmark movies. But to their credit they're specifically looking for women and poc who write. 3: Executives don't think audiences can handle a certain amount of deviation, so when you get past 1&2, your script gets rewritten, or you get pages of notes that chop up and often remove all of the stuff that made it interesting/different.
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Chill Penguin posted:Edit: who could Jackie Chan play in the MCU? Wolverine
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People make the comparison with Westerns a lot when talking about the superhero bubble bursting. But Superhero movies are able to have a much broader range of stories and characters than Westerns. A western is a genre. Make 5 a year and people will eventually get sick of it. Superhero movies aren't a genre, they're a template. There's literally no limit to what genre you can explore and what story you can tell. As long as people remember that and keep trying different things and making different types of movies (Logan and Deadpool spring to mind) then they'll keep going. Even if things do cool off, all it takes is one film to reinvigorate things, make a shitload of money, and get people talking (Superman, Batman 89, Spider-Man 2002, Avengers, Dark Knight, Black Panther) and you're back up and running.
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Mar 17, 2018 21:26
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Yeah, most superhero movies are actually action movies, and you'd be an idiot to predict action movies bursting.
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I think discussing a trend that has existed for nearly two decades as a fad is pretty silly. What I do wonder is if there is a limit to the audience's yearly superhero movie bandwidth. Like, theoretically, if the DC movies were more well-liked, could a DC cinematic universe co-exist with Marvels with both providing the same output.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Its budget was up around $300 million because of the extent of reshoots and it made $650 million or so, but that doesn't account for marketing (and there was a lot of marketing). So the movie itself may or may not have turned a profit. It will probably do well in terms of merchandise.streaming/home video etc. though. That's a pretty big revenue stream for these movies but it's never really clear how much of one. I'm reasonably certain it'll eventually turn at least a modest profit when all revenue streams are factored in, but given how many future films it was intended to lay the groundwork for (at least at the time it was greenlit) and how other superhero team movies have performed at the box office, I don't think "eking out a modest profit" qualifies as a success. Timeless Appeal posted:I think discussing a trend that has existed for nearly two decades as a fad is pretty silly. What I do wonder is if there is a limit to the audience's yearly superhero movie bandwidth. Like, theoretically, if the DC movies were more well-liked, could a DC cinematic universe co-exist with Marvels with both providing the same output. Or, not that I think this will happen, if Marvel went up to four or even five films per year after the Fox acquisition goes through. Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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Mar 17, 2018 22:34
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Barry Convex posted:I'm reasonably certain it'll eventually turn at least a modest profit when all revenue streams are factored in, but given how many future films it was intended to lay the groundwork for (at least at the time it was greenlit) and how other superhero team movies have performed at the box office, I don't think "eking out a modest profit" qualifies as a success. There's a reason they fired a lot of the DCCU film execs after JL flatlined.
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Koalas March posted:There are new and original scripts but they don't see the light of day, because: Wait, you have written scripts? Is there are a thread about your experiences somewhere? It would be a quite interesting thing to read about. I've only read here and there how scripts get changed completely from what they once where but I'm not sure how stressful and killing that might be for a creative person (graphic design can be annoying in the fact that you come with some really awesome new idea and your client decides they want this generic poo poo with a splatter of colors that don't make sense at all. "I WANT ALL THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW!",is a thing that actually happended, so I'm wondering if writers get to do the equivalent of the ugly rainbow.)
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People talk so much about comic book movies, but the current lineup of comic book TV series is loving insane, and that's something that runs the entire year long.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Like, theoretically, if the DC movies were more well-liked, could a DC cinematic universe co-exist with Marvels with both providing the same output. Sure. Fundamentally nobody gives a poo poo that a comic book movie is a comic book movie. Some people may geek out that their favorite comic character is on the screen doing the thing, but what they really care about is that the movie is entertaining. And if the movie is entertaining it's just another blockbuster. But it's an entirely theoretical question because WB is poo poo and Fox is trying to sell their stuff to Disney, so the real question becomes "How many movies can Marvel put out a year?".
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The most recent F4 flick was just on the telly and I decided to give it a spin thinking it couldn't possibly be as bad as they all say. Oh man yes, it was. It really was. Dat Victor, holeeeeeeeeeeee crap. I liked that they basically got bored and drunk and decided to go to the negative zone on a whim as a result but that was about it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:No it's not, considering they wanted JL to be bigger than Avengers and I have to assume they spent an assload marketing the thing This reminds me of CinemaSins dumb video about how Marvel should just pack it in because Batman and Superman are so much more popular than anything Marvel has, so Justice League is going to absolutely destroy anything Marvel does. Also someone at my LCS was asking me if Captain Marvel was going to be in Infinity War, and I said no they have said she won't, but maybe the 4th one. I then mentioned that Dr Minerva was cast, and then I realized that the movie is probably going to do something Kree/Skrull war related. We have been told Skrulls are in the movie, but the only named villain so far is a Kree.
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Carol Danvers is probably in Infinity War based on what the Russos have said, though.
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Samuringa posted:People talk so much about comic book movies, but the current lineup of comic book TV series is loving insane, and that's something that runs the entire year long.
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It doesn’t help that the quality of those shows is all over the place. Sometimes it feels like there’s two Iron Fists for every one Legion.
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BrianWilly posted:In honesty though, this is an area where a fair bit of fatigue has indeed settled in, at least for me personally. There are literally just not enough hours in the day to be able to handle the amount of content we're getting, so you really have to pick and choose the ones you devote your energy to. Yea, that's why I haven't started watching Black Lightning, there's too much other stuff. Arrow keeps trying to get me to stop watching, but it just has the spark enough to keep me going. Good thing Legion is mostly an off season show so its easy to watch as there's nothing else on.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, that's why I haven't started watching Black Lightning, there's too much other stuff. Arrow keeps trying to get me to stop watching, but it just has the spark enough to keep me going. You should drop something else and watch Black Lightning. It’s surprisingly great. Like, seriously, if you have to choose between it and Arrow that’s really not a hard choice. gently caress sunk cost fallacy.
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Phylodox posted:You should drop something else and watch Black Lightning. It’s surprisingly great. Also, its on netflix so once the season ends i can just binge it. That's probably why i'm waiting. Binging Legion really helped me, as I was kind of turned off when i watched the Pilot and I was worried the entire show was going to be "whats real and whats not???" which i felt sounded incredibly unsatifying because no character could ever grow because there would be constant resets. But they quickly established a baseline for reality once they got out of the pilot. It was better when you knew that they were inside David's head or someone elses but the unreality of the whole thing was heightened, becuase there was flashes of poo poo that was no obvious.
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I can’t vouch for the second season yet, but Agent Carter is another solid watch that’s up on Hulu in its entirety
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I can’t vouch for the second season yet, but Agent Carter is another solid watch that’s up on Hulu in its entirety I found that season two was more fun but less...good, if that makes any sense.
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If you watch only one comic book show, it should be Riverdale.
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I need to catch up on BL, it went on break during the Olympics and i kinda slacked off on staying with itPhylodox posted:I found that season two was more fun but less...good, if that makes any sense. Yeah iirc i had the same reaction cuz it was stretching its budget for bmovie cgi effects for the villain??
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I can’t vouch for the second season yet, but Agent Carter is another solid watch that’s up on Hulu in its entirety Hulu is US Only. It drives me nuts because all I hear is "x is on hulu!" and like, it might as well be on the moon.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Beyonder I'll buy that
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Desperado Bones posted:Wait, you have written scripts? Is there are a thread about your experiences somewhere? It would be a quite interesting thing to read about. I've only read here and there how scripts get changed completely from what they once where but I'm not sure how stressful and killing that might be for a creative person (graphic design can be annoying in the fact that you come with some really awesome new idea and your client decides they want this generic poo poo with a splatter of colors that don't make sense at all. "I WANT ALL THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW!",is a thing that actually happended, so I'm wondering if writers get to do the equivalent of the ugly rainbow.) I was once assistant to a producer and got the chance to do a pitch for the biopic of a turn of the century industrialist candy mogul. I wrote a well researched story pitch that built a layered narrative about the dude and his life and family, as well as a historical bible of the topic over a sleepless weekend (unpaid), only to be told "Oh, we actually want to do something completely different now." I was then given charge to write a "scriptment" for a lighthearted kids adventure movie based around the candy property and its adjacent history. Scriptments are like 10 page treatments of a movie that broadly outline characters, stakes, arc, set pieces, etc. It's basically like describing a movie you just saw to a friend over beers. The producer I was working for said he wanted something "like The Goonies," so (over another sleepless, unpaid weekend) I wrote something very much in the vein of The Goonies; a squad of archetypal, uniquely talented kid characters coming together in defiance of adults to solve a bunch of puzzles of varying complexity and lethality in order to defeat a greedy scumbag villain and discover a MacGuffin that would change their fortunes and the fortunes of their families. I was honestly pretty proud of what I wrote at the time (it was yeeears ago at this point). I turned it over and find out the producer didn't like it at all. Like literally disliked every point I just mentioned above, and when his direct assistant (who loved it) said "but it's exactly what you wanted, it's very similar to The Goonies," the producer admitted he had never seen The Goonies. He gave the materials to another producer friend who did a nearly complete teardown of the story I wrote and did an incoherent rewrite where the protagonist kid spends most of the time hanging out with the horrifically scarred ghost of a kid who died in a house fire that was based on a totally unrelated movie idea he had and it was... it was insane trash. It was a lunatic cokehead's idea of what constitutes a movie people would take their children to. It was about that time that I realized I needed to get the gently caress out of that job and L.A. in general for a while. edit: this wasn't even for a story I really gave much of a poo poo about; it was some stupid licensed property that shouldn't be a movie anyway. I can only imagine how bad it would be for something you really put your heart and soul into.
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