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https://youtu.be/DLsPoJWO-e8?t=752 "Early access and beta versions of games often cause players to become cheerleaders and deflect criticism on discussion forums. If you've ever taken part in any conversation about an early access game you must have seen such comments often sounding like they're all written from the same person who just goes from early access game to early access game about how 'you should remember it's just a beta' or 'this is what early access means, remember that' and that 'the issues being brought up will surely be addressed for the full release.' In my experience, they almost always are not."
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Foo Diddley posted:Aaaaaaaaagh no no no no no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfcglOmBYw
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Virtual Captain posted:https://youtu.be/DLsPoJWO-e8?t=752 Can confirm; I have so many cheerleader uniforms and pom-poms now, just from buying early access games
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Foo Diddley posted:Can confirm; I have so many cheerleader uniforms and pom-poms now, just from buying early access games Shake it, baby! Also dont shake the baby, please. Shaken baby syndrome is bad
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CubicalSucrose posted:Late to the game on this, but I thought "defenstrate" was Toast trying to say "defend" and "demonstrate" at the same time in a novel fashion, rather than a misspelling. In the same way that when I see one oh his posts, I think the word "twunt."
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SomethingJones posted:The studio tours are not a peek behind the curtain at a studio, they are an orchestrated exercise in confirmation bias. ON THE NORMALIZATION OF DEVELOPMENTAL DYSFUNCTION The hardest thing for true believers to accept, particularly after interacting with developers and artists on a tour, is based on a false dichotomy framing. “All these people can’t be lying to me. They are nice, sincere, talented and working like dogs for this dream therefore it really is real.” The frame is wrong. A visit, particularly to the HQ of CIG Mythmaking (CIG LA), amounts to a guided tour of the acute developmental dysfunction “normalized” under Chris Roberts practiced, Code Whispering hands. The appearance of “Bad Sean” on the Newegg livestream shows exactly what this looks like, as Sean is asked “what is Star Citizen?” and gives the Chris Roberts answer. Do we see willful calculation and nefarious intent at work here? No, we see a developer who spends the majority of his working hours in close proximity to the Reality Distortion Field that is Chris Roberts. This is how Chris talks about the game despite the fact that it does not have hundreds of Star Systems, it has 1/4th of only 1. Yet if Sean Tracy had gone on that stream and said “Star Citizen has a few moons and a planetoid in it right now” Chris would’ve surely said “what the hell are you doing telling people that?!” The beauty of “The Road to CitizenCon” is that it meant to glorify their struggles and excuse their failures yet what it really did was capture Chris’s pathology so incriminatingly. Josh Herman states it plainly: “Chris has very high expectations and I think a lot of us do, and we all want to match them.” Indeed, no one can doubt Chris can be a cruel taskmaster. But his “very high expectations” are more truly described as “very dysfunctional expectations” and the video gives testament to exactly that. Chris is more pre-occupied with the gesticulations of an imaginary worm than nearly anything else in the Homestead demo, a point only further driven home in the Jump Point transcripts which offer yet more glimpses as conductor leads orchestra in rehearsals for the wrong song. Throughout the video, we get pull quotes from developers worldwide, all laboring to hit that which the boss has deemed the target. And hit it they mostly did, save for some minor glitches, and the video spends ample time basking in the afterglow of the wrong job well done. Yet to what end, really, beyond fundraising jolts and breathless coverage of credulous press? Eurogamer posted:Specifically it shows off Star Citizen's procedural planet-making abilities which, yes I know that's a sensitive subject, but look at the results here. Those vistas are gobsmacking. Trees! Deserts! Other living things! And those sky-boxes? They're not - that's the game world. Whatever the unrestricted view distance touches, you should be able to get to. (Eurogamer then went on to outline all the features of 3.0 that would be arriving by the end of 2016, and we recall all too well how that turned out as CIG endured the painful work of downsizing formerly sold fictive expectations so they could deliver the practical compromise a year after the fact.) Returning to “The Road to CitizenCon”, It’s incredible, really, the surreal victory lap everyone takes for having won the wrong race. The coercions to normalize all of it, every misguided week spent in its construction, are everywhere even as we and CIG all know now what a high price was paid for it. “The game will come out when the game comes out.” ”I definitely backed the right game.” A special guest appearance by The Boss’s Wife, who is unseen during crunch and had nothing to do with the demo prep yet wasn’t too busy to stop by and emote so she’d get her share of the glory due her lessers. A tagteam performance from Lando and Ben, both making explicit entreaties for viewers to interpret the dysfunction on grand display as not just normal but ideal. Brian Chambers describing the event as emotional and saying, “We came to show off our progress, and I think that’s what we did.” And the capper, as we hear in plain terms why the demo was such a smashing success. They made the Boss proud. Mission accomplished. How, after seeing all the blood, sweat and tears, could anyone doubt the hard working, friendly people who endured a summertime crunch to create that emotional moment? The developers themselves believe this is normal because their Boss has deemed it so and it was the necessary business to please him. It is against this entire backdrop of collective effort that we can really appreciate the contrast offered by the stoic, cautious Todd Papy. As teams worldwide were laboring furiously to realize Chris’s grand fictive ambitions, it is Papy who anticipates the confusion risk and states point blank, “I just don’t want to be selling something we might not have in the game.” Imagine that entirely reasonable soundbite edited in to The Road to CitizenCon, as teams were constructing the sandworm demo. It’s impossible, right? That an entirely reasonable, morally cautious statement like that would never belong in such a video is because it would stand like a sharp pin above the fragile bubble of dysfunctional fiction that the entire video inflates over the course of 20 minutes. Papy isn’t the only one expressing caution and sobriety, however much it runs counter to CIG’s aspirational semi-fictions. We saw a similar sobriety on “Calling All Devs” from Luke Pressley as he openly admitted Cargo Missions weren’t fun. You’d never have guessed that by watching The Alpha 3.0 Feature Trailer as the Cargo Box is the top-billed star and what a delightful adventure it enjoys (that has little to do with the actually quite mundane business of Cargo Transport in the game...) But we can be sure that anyone visiting CIG LA for a glimpse of hidden wizardry isn’t getting a tour guide pointing out sorting fictions from facts, the short term likelihoods from the long term hopes. This is true for MoMA and will surely be true of the $350 guests in May. Any secret demos shown will all one big glowing ball of the transcendent glorious gaming that’s finally, finally right around the corner. It’s coming to validate the indeterminable wait and unbelievable expense. It will make all the past lies okay. It will humble all who dared doubt the process. And it will stand as open rebuke to the AAA industry itself; they didn’t believe in Chris’s vision and now must endure humiliation by it. 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Virtual Captain posted:https://youtu.be/DLsPoJWO-e8?t=752 Every early access/kickstarter game is a religion for some people. The only thing unique about citizens is they've spent the equivalent of like 40 or more early access games.
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G0RF posted:ON THE NORMALIZATION OF DEVELOPMENTAL DYSFUNCTION 
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grimcreaper posted:Shake it, baby! text me ;)
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Ah, the days of the DR LP being paywalled. Good times. 
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G0rf that was a well considered analysis with links and citations and evidence - and it shows how much of the skin has been picked away revealing the sick, flaccid, festering underbelly of the entire rotten enterprise, and you do it with flair and style and basic observation of the facts. Luke Pressley's admittal of lack of fun in the cargo missions was frank, I have an Erin quote where he admits the travel isn't fun, I'll have to dig it out of my history. It's interesting because he cuts himself off mid sentence.
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G0RF posted:ON THE NORMALIZATION OF DEVELOPMENTAL DYSFUNCTION This is a fair and true description of CIG LA's output and characteristic of the poor state of their builds. And a loving great title for a poo poo hot G0rf effortpost. For any new lurkers/backers to the thread - G0rf is a poster you need to give serious consideration to, that's a level of quality and conviction you just don't see often and you do yourself a favour to pay attention.
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Peter.Quint posted:All this time lurking I thought there was a filter or program that ran on the posts that translated swear words to the absurd SA version. You guys actually type things like "gently caress"?
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The Titanic posted:It looks very reminiscent of a game called "Hard War". Not sure if this is what you're thinking of though. I take it you're not talking about the 1998 space ship game Hardwar, where you had to escape Titan by earning enough money, or something like that?
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I come back from self imposed cat prison and the thread is good again. Thank you for an excellent post G0RF
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Combat Theory posted:I come back from self imposed cat prison and the thread is good again. Thank you for an excellent post G0RF Looks like Beet needs to probate you more often
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Daztek posted:Looks like Beet needs to probate you more often I saw that coming 
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D_Smart posted:Well, he's Toast. So. Hold on, are you saying MoMA is Toast?!
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Bofast posted:I take it you're not talking about the 1998 space ship game Hardwar, where you had to escape Titan by earning enough money, or something like that? That was a fantastic game, way ahead of its time. A very convincing living world, very immersive, good sci fi, addictive, tough and drat fun.
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SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:Well caught up with the thread! Been busy this past week with taking these three to doctors & vet: https://imgur.com/W8nvvQq Good news is that no matter what happens with SC, you won't spend that much on video games ever again. Goosfraba fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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tooterfish posted:They told you to get a refund. 
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SomethingJones posted:Dulamar 
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This song is called 'The Seven Drunken Nights." But we're only allowed to sing five of 'em. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Hb5nzwE4I
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Happy St. Patrick's Day, fellow heathens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QdbeM2JWYE
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G0RF posted:Papy isn’t the only one expressing caution and sobriety, however much it runs counter to CIG’s aspirational semi-fictions. We saw a similar sobriety on “Calling All Devs” from Luke Pressley as he openly admitted Cargo Missions weren’t fun. You’d never have guessed that by watching The Alpha 3.0 Feature Trailer as the Cargo Box is the top-billed star and what a delightful adventure it enjoys (that has little to do with the actually quite mundane business of Cargo Transport in the game...) How had I never seen this? Surely this was peak insanity?  Thanks as always for the deep dive your GORFness. Making the unbelievable believable...
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NoMas posted:does Sandi still host the Star Citizen TV show? Star Citizen is the host, Sandi is just there to feed
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Did no one ever make this connection? or am I late to the obvious party? 
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sharknado slashfic posted:I can't believe I just read the last 7 pages Star shizzle is the ibs of the ponzi scheme, its detected only because tests for other things are not conclusive, and appendicitis just can't happen.
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Blue On Blue posted:If I remember correctly, it was universally panned because the IDEA of a money grubbing multi national private corporate entity (CIG is such a beast now) was using Vet's day charity to piggy back for marketing exposure and ship sales No it was a shitshow because star citizen has a tonnn of germans and they weren't happy about giving american vets money because of the war.
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hakimashou posted:No it was a shitshow because star citizen has a tonnn of germans and they weren't happy about giving american vets money because of the war. Don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.
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hakimashou posted:No it was a shitshow because star citizen has a tonnn of germans and they weren't happy about giving american vets money because of the war. There was a lot of that but it's pretty tone deaf to not predict the UN level cluster gently caress that will result. Surprisingly, not everyone is from the US and the obvious solution of just not buying during the sale wasn't an option as the item was limited edition and in-stock. Probably the birth of the "snowflake" term internally at CIG.
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SomethingJones posted:You aren't wrong, that's right on the money imo. Showing people what they actually built has massacred interest in the game. People streaming and/or "playing" it has all but dried up. This new plan is exactly what you're all saying it is - taking away the visible evidence, and cherry-picking fully deluded backers - those who have sustained such extensive brain and neurological damage that they would pay the man they gave free money to for the privilege of face time. Those people are going to swallow whatever CGI dick Chris hands them - right down to the balls. Then they'll go out into the world and spread their cognitive plague to the ignorant, telling tales of incredible gameplay, stunning AI, and swearing on their mothers' graves that The Dream Is Real. When in doubt, recruit more fanatics. It works for Amway, it works for Scientology, and it works for CIG. Anyone thinking that CIG's end, whether or not it's brought about by Skadden or some unforeseen circumstance, will be permanent is just as deluded as the backers themselves. "Star Citizen" the concept will go on for decades. It will become a sort of intellectual leprosy - people with functioning minds will go to great pains to avoid those who talk about how great it was/is/will be. Sort of like now, come to think of it.
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