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Wow, such not colonialism:   Truly the Russians only ever stayed within the boundaries of their homeland throughout the period they ran the Soviet Union.
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That’s a lot of side track for a poo poo poster’s 3 letter zero effort post.
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fishmech posted:Wow, such not colonialism: There's nothing quite like someone confusing Russia and the USSR
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Mar 20, 2018 21:21
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Soviet communism is empire creating by nature since it claimed it's leaders territory was not territorially bounded, i.e. world revolution. That is not a normative statement.
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self unaware posted:There's nothing quite like someone confusing Russia and the USSR Nothing's being confused here, the position of the actual original Russian lands versus all the extra stuff the Soviets continued to hold and even expand into illustrate how the Soviet Union was a colonial empire.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:posting entire wiki articles is dumb as poo poo you can link them goddamn It was a preemptive measure. It failed miserably. 
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self unaware posted:There's nothing quite like someone confusing Russia and the USSR USSR was Russia tho.
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/976194206111879168?s=19quote:Corker says they plan to mark-up an AUMF on April 19th to address the fact that the US is still using an AUMF for Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda and ISIS all over the world.
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Saladin Rising posted:Oh hey, our war against ISIS might get some after-the-fact legal justification. Technically, they are still under legal mandate, they don't need a new AUMF. https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/framework.Report_Final.pdf (page 5, onwards) Technically.. Dante80 fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 20, 2018 |
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Mar 20, 2018 21:39
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Top-tier posting! In news, Sarkozy is being held for questioning on the Gaddafi campaign contributions thing. https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/976161346269122561?s=19
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Volkerball posted:Top-tier posting! Well the bribe certainly failed if that counts for anything.
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Bip Roberts posted:Well the bribe certainly failed if that counts for anything. It does, which is why north korea has nukes now lol
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Dante80 posted:Technically, they are still under legal mandate, they don't need a new AUMF. It counts, since if Congress doesn't like it they're free to revoke it.
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The loving Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to specifically put it under its sphere of influence. Just because they failed doesn't make it less of an imperialist act. Also all federated countries are effectively empires. They're all comprised of individual states who are all independent to each other but all surrender sovereignty to one specific state that more or less controls the military and laws that govern those individual states.
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It's kind of funny that even Mao called the Soviet Union an empire.
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self unaware posted:Protectorates? Colonies? The Warsaw Pact pretty much perfectly fits the definition of a Protectorate set-up.
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HorrificExistence posted:Soviet communism is empire creating by nature since it claimed it's leaders territory was not territorially bounded, i.e. world revolution. That is not a normative statement. okay saying the USSR wasn't an empire is dumb as hell but lmfao at this
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https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/976203928969900033?s=21 We’re going to continue helping the Saudis grind Yemen into total misery.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/976203928969900033?s=21 Honestly I'm surprised it got 44 against. This sort of thing flies so far below the US public's radar it usually gets rubber stamped.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/976203928969900033?s=21 Lol if you think the Democrats are anti-war because they're not.
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fishmech posted:You're forgetting there's people so dedicated to stupidity that they think "empire" means "America" and maybe "Britain". It’s funny to me that this “YOU’RE AN EMPIRE/NO YOU’RE AN EMPIRE  ” Cold War poo poo still gets people actually caremad
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HorrificExistence posted:Soviet communism is empire creating by nature since it claimed it's leaders territory was not territorially bounded, i.e. world revolution. That is not a normative statement. it’s like an official universalizing ideology that recognizes no limits to its validity is one of the key characteristics of all historical empire or something
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Lol if you think the Democrats are anti-war because they're not. At least 4 out of 5 were today.
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IS has taken Qadam. Over 100 SAA/Mukhabarat casualties. https://twitter.com/Dannymakkisyria/status/976132386202189824
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Bip Roberts posted:At least 4 out of 5 were today. I'm pretty pleased with the results tbh. Give it another decade and we'll see a flip.
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icantfindaname posted:it’s like an official universalizing ideology that recognizes no limits to its validity is one of the key characteristics of all historical empire or something Or it could just be people mixing up the terms 'empire' and 'imperialism' willy nilly.
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Israel acknowledged the 2007 bombing of a suspected NK built syrian nuclear facility. Is this part of a build up to an intervention in syria? I mean wevebgot gassing his own peolle checked off confirmed attempts to build WMDs is now checked off... really what more justification do the american people need to justify it in their hearts.
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Israel admits it did that strike on the Syrian nuclear reactor which everyone always knew Israel did
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Sinteres posted:Tom Friedman must be moonlighting as the social media manager for 60 Minutes. I usually have to go to pornhub to see that kind of action.
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LeoMarr posted:Israel acknowledged the 2007 bombing of a suspected NK built syrian nuclear facility. Is this part of a build up to an intervention in syria? I mean wevebgot gassing his own peolle checked off confirmed attempts to build WMDs is now checked off... really what more justification do the american people need to justify it in their hearts. Yes now is the time the United States and Israel should intervene in Syria on behalf of the FSA!!! What is wrong with you? How does Israel acknowledging something everyone in the world knows they did 10 years ago = build up to intervention?
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of funny that even Mao called the Soviet Union an empire. Eh, the Sino-Soviet split is something that actually happened. (Meh, both the Soviets and the US were empires that often used very similar methods to accomplish their goals. The biggest difference is the US has far more monetary resources to throw at their "top tier" allies.)
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Ardennes posted:Eh, the Sino-Soviet split is something that actually happened. Russia also kept choice bits of what they occupied in the 1900's. Kaliningrad, the Kuril Islands, and various "independent" states governed by Russia after being propped up in choice bits of the SSRs in the 90's.
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Plus there's all the settlements of ethnic Russians in SSRs that served as the basis of the crimean invasion and ukrainian....thing.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/976203928969900033?s=21 Colonial vs Parliamentary usage of "table" never ceases to confuse me.
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Stretch Marx posted:The loving Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to specifically put it under its sphere of influence. Just because they failed doesn't make it less of an imperialist act. That is a very strange view of federations. A federated state has multiple levels of authority and all states are equal in their position vis a vis the higher level, which is established by a contract / constitution agreed upon by the states, not by an imperial decree. It's not like in the US New York rules over the other states, or in Germany Brandenburg is the hegemon of the federation. And if there is no dominating actor who can cpntrol the lesser partners, it's not an empire. The only exception would be autoritarian federations where in actuality one region rules, and others are powerless at the periphery. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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Warbadger posted:Russia also kept choice bits of what they occupied in the 1900's. Kaliningrad, the Kuril Islands, and various "independent" states governed by Russia after being propped up in choice bits of the SSRs in the 90's. You mean the territory they got after Second World War? This isn't unique, the US still has some islands that it got from Japan, check out the Northern Mariana Islands, and occupied Okinawa and other islands until the 1970s and later. The Soviets "got more" but admittedly they also "gave more." The separatists republics if anything a more of a remnant of empire than anything. TheDeadlyShoe posted:Plus there's all the settlements of ethnic Russians in SSRs that served as the basis of the crimean invasion and ukrainian....thing. The settlement of Russians in Crimea and Donbass goes really far back into the 18th century if not earlier with the decline and fall of the Crimean Tatars and deduced influence of the Ottoman Empire. I would say the numbers of Russians in the Baltic states were more recent, but for the individual Russians themselves, it was mostly from being re-assigned to industrial jobs in Riga/Tallinn. From their perspective, they were moving from Kansas City to Denver to take an available factory job. You could say the Soviets had an ulterior motive, but at the same time, you also had a bunch of cultural-mixing happening other cities across the Soviet Union. Also, if you want to compare the growth of the Russian Empire and the US until 1917, usually if anything the Russians were far less assimilationist than the US and there was never any real counterpart to the reservation system. Usually, the Russian state was pretty minimal in its influence outside of major cities. I think trying to pretend the US wasn't also an empire looking at American history is really quite laughable. We were a landed power that forced colonial settlement across North America into the 20th century, had an overseas empire (which we still retain parts of today), and were willing to fight proxy wars and overturn governments as we saw fit through the Cold War. It very much is the pot-calling-the-kettle-black for both sides. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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Also it's really weird to draw a line between Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, like the USSR didn't inherit the products of czarist Russian imperialism and didn't continue to exploit them.
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steinrokkan posted:Also it's really weird to draw a line between Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, like the USSR didn't inherit the products of czarist Russian imperialism and didn't continue to exploit them. Granted, a lot of this was situational and actually developed across the Russian Civil War. Basically, once the Bolsheviks started winning they didn't stop, but they were also fighting implacable political enemies and foreign powers that were also never going to stop as long as they still had a foothold in the borders of the former Russian Empire. It could be argued the Bolsheviks had 2 choices: lose or basically become hypocrites and start fighting onward until they achieved total(ish) victory. Can you successfully fight a civil war without imperialism?
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Stretch Marx posted:Also all federated countries are effectively empires. They're all comprised of individual states who are all independent to each other but all surrender sovereignty to one specific state that more or less controls the military and laws that govern those individual states. steinrokkan posted:And if there is no dominating actor who can cpntrol the lesser partners, it's not an empire. The only exception would be autoritarian federations where in actuality one region rules, and others are powerless at the periphery. steinrokkan posted:Also it's really weird to draw a line between Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, like the USSR didn't inherit the products of czarist Russian imperialism and didn't continue to exploit them. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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