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ninjewtsu posted:does thunderbolt have A Char You tell me.
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ninjewtsu posted:does thunderbolt have A Char I mean, Io is a ruthless and yet sympathetic blond adrenaline-junkie with a unique sense of style going up against a scrappy and endearingly dorky young rival, so... I guess?
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Mar 21, 2018 11:52
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Considering how vicious thunderbolt represents ace oldtype pilots as, just how terrifying does that Newtype in Daryl's Acguy squadron turn out to be?
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Mar 21, 2018 16:03
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I'm watching the original Gundam for the first time since it ran on Toonami and I'm enjoying it. welp, see ya
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Mar 21, 2018 17:42
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I'm watching the original Gundam for the first time since it ran on Toonami and I'm enjoying it. welp, see ya Blame this on the misfortune of your birth.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:49
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ImpAtom posted:Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. I don't remember a drat thing about it and I'm on like episode 11 or so. it's fun
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Mar 21, 2018 17:51
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Onmi posted:Not really, the nuke is a good enough reason to form the Titans "Look at what happened because we didn't have a group in place to put a stop to these things pre-emptively." And Bask being shocked when it fails seems on point, it would only have HELPED the Titans to succeed in stopping the colony, because then they'd also be able to point to all themselves as heroes who saved the earth, but failing didn't hurt them either. I'm more talking about the execution of the events in a real world context. The sequence of events in the show is convoluted, but still make sense upon closer inspection. However the way the show presents these plot twists and the overall execution of everything after Konpei Island is just terrible and difficult to follow because the actual dialogue and scenes shown in the episodes do not flow well at all.
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Mar 21, 2018 18:36
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ninjewtsu posted:does thunderbolt have A Char IMO Thunderbolt is a reversal, but I haven't watched the second part yet. Io is The Char and Daryl is an Amuro analogue.
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Mar 21, 2018 19:41
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Io and Daryl are like if Char and Amuro didn't have a their weird bond and instead just loving hated each other
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Mar 21, 2018 19:56
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The main difference between Io and Daryl and Char and Amuro is that Char and Amuro aren't incredibly boring characters.
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Mar 21, 2018 20:36
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Improbable Lobster posted:Io and Daryl are like if Char and Amuro didn't have a their weird bond and instead just loving hated each other That describes Amuro and Char in 0079 perfectly. Mostly because they never personally interacted until the finale, only martially. It's only in Zeta when they start interacting in person that their relationship becomes more sensual, and really I think it's only that way in Char's Counterattack.
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Mar 21, 2018 20:47
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tsob posted:That describes Amuro and Char in 0079 perfectly. Mostly because they never personally interacted until the finale, only martially. It's only in Zeta when they start interacting in person that their relationship becomes more sensual, and really I think it's only that way in Char's Counterattack. 
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Mar 21, 2018 20:51
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Amuro and char's rivalry was mostly a matter of personal pride for most of the series. It wasn't until Lalah's death that it becomes personal.
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Mar 21, 2018 20:55
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Mar 21, 2018 20:55
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Monaghan posted:The main difference between Io and Daryl and Char and Amuro is that Char and Amuro aren't incredibly boring characters. I dunno, Io is pretty endearing in S2. Hes trying so hard to be a proper hero, and hes so bad at it. That scene where he shows up to rescue Bianca in this big, dramatic moment and then nearly kills her with an avalanche is great.
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Mar 21, 2018 20:56
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I'm watching the original Gundam for the first time since it ran on Toonami and I'm enjoying it. welp, see ya I like it a lot, especially from the Ral arc onward. I also think it's much better than the movie summaries, which wind up having weird pacing issues.
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Mar 21, 2018 21:28
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Having watched both the TV show and the movies, my biggest beefs with the movies are, in order of importance: 1. The movie dub isn't good 2. The movies don't really end on good ending moments. They're roughly at the end of arcs, but none of the movies are actually in any fashion standalone, which is kind of awkward. It's more of a 4 and a half hour long single movie
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Mar 21, 2018 21:34
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So should I be watching the Thunderbolt movies or the OVAs?
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Mar 21, 2018 21:41
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Shinjobi posted:So should I be watching the Thunderbolt movies or the OVAs? The movies are compilations of the OVAs with extra footage. There's not really a reason to watch the OVAs after the movies came out.
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Mar 21, 2018 21:44
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Cool, thanks
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Mar 21, 2018 21:46
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Arcsquad12 posted:I don't even think the rise of the titans was even the original end goal of the series. That felt like a back end last minute change after they realized they couldn't end the show with Gato nuking the fleet. So jamitov and bask show up out of nowhere to say "psych! It was me all along, Austin!" and the whole thing turns into a clusterfuck. The colony drop was never actually supposed to succeed. Jamitov's plan was to use the Gundamjack to wipe out the Titans' political enemies at Konpei Island, then to utilize the mirror laser to stop the actual colony drop and then use the Gundamjack and the failed colony drop as reasons to consolidate power and justify why the Titans need to exist. Cima turning on Delaz was planned from the beginning and was the thing that was intended to force the Delaz Fleet into surrender, since she would be taking their commanding officer and flagship hostage; no one expected Delaz and Gato to be crazy suicidal loonies. Failing to stop the colony wasn't part of the plan, nor was the Albion's presence at the battlefield at all. Haman's presence is explained by Axis technically being bound by a ceasefire with the Federation and not being able to intervene directly in the conflict but still hanging around to pick up any survivors that manage to run the Federation gauntlet at the end. Axis is unable to help them in any way without directly entering a conflict with the Federation military, which at this point is way more powerful than anything Axis could ever hope to muster and would simply lead to Axis being destroyed. 0083 is poorly scripted in the extreme but there are pretty logical ways to explain away basically everything that happens except for Nina suddenly remembering she knows and loves Anavel Gato despite it never coming up before when they were pursuing him for 6 episodes.
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Mar 22, 2018 01:36
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Kanos posted:The colony drop was never actually supposed to succeed. Jamitov's plan was to use the Gundamjack to wipe out the Titans' political enemies at Konpei Island, then to utilize the mirror laser to stop the actual colony drop and then use the Gundamjack and the failed colony drop as reasons to consolidate power and justify why the Titans need to exist. Cima turning on Delaz was planned from the beginning and was the thing that was intended to force the Delaz Fleet into surrender, since she would be taking their commanding officer and flagship hostage; no one expected Delaz and Gato to be crazy suicidal loonies. Failing to stop the colony wasn't part of the plan, nor was the Albion's presence at the battlefield at all. See my followup to the post you quoted. My main complaints are not the sequence of events, which I get, but how inept 0083's presentation becomes after Konpei Island. I agree with you, don't get me wrong, I just find it baffling that the show fell apart as much as it did.
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Mar 22, 2018 01:38
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I honestly forgot about that moment, but at the same time, neither is aware who the other is at that time and their interaction is purely coincidental so it's not really something that's going to impact either's feelings towards the other during the series.
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Mar 22, 2018 02:02
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tsob posted:I honestly forgot about that moment, but at the same time, neither is aware who the other is at that time and their interaction is purely coincidental so it's not really something that's going to impact either's feelings towards the other during the series. Amuro knew who Char was.
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Mar 22, 2018 02:05
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tsob posted:I honestly forgot about that moment, but at the same time, neither is aware who the other is at that time and their interaction is purely coincidental so it's not really something that's going to impact either's feelings towards the other during the series. Amuro knows that it's Char.
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Mar 22, 2018 02:05
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Kanos posted:0083 is poorly scripted in the extreme but there are pretty logical ways to explain away basically everything that happens except for Nina suddenly remembering she knows and loves Anavel Gato despite it never coming up before when they were pursuing him for 6 episodes. The manga adaption fixes part of that, but Nina still isn't that great.
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Mar 22, 2018 02:09
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Droyer posted:Amuro knew who Char was. Huh, so he does. I thought he only figured it when Char told him for some reason. My apologies. Again though, Amuro is mostly trying to keep calm and not betray himself during the scene, while Char doesn't even realize who Amuro is despite Amuro giving his name so it's not really an interaction that affects their relationship throughout the show or establishes the kind of sensual dynamic that is present in Char's Counterattack. It probably helped humanize Char to Amuro, since Char is perfectly nice and reasonable during it, but Amuro was already starting to move beyond his desire to beat Char at that point and it doesn't seem to ultimately play in to why he does, since that's more that Amuro realizes that Gihren and Zeon as a whole is the real threat in the finale rather than Char before Char forces a fight.
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Mar 22, 2018 02:26
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I think that it would be pretty hard not to recognize the guy in the mask and cape as that guy in the mask and cape that tries to kill you every week
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Mar 22, 2018 03:06
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Amuro didn't know Char wore a mask and cape. Even in that scene when Char introduces himself Amuro wonders how he knew it was Char before that point in a foreshadowing of his Newtype talents.
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Mar 22, 2018 03:14
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It has been a while since I've watched MSG
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Mar 22, 2018 03:22
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Mar 22, 2018 03:54
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Honestly, given how many disposable identities Char's picked up, I don't find this one particularly unbelievable.
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Mar 22, 2018 04:45
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I started the second half of Victory, and I can see the show starting to fall apart. This is sad. Is this where the second season curse originated?
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Mar 22, 2018 05:41
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On the one hand, I'd really like to have the UC Gundam series on Blu Ray, but on the other, they're really loving expensive. Any chance they'll get cheaper over time?
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Mar 22, 2018 06:40
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brainwrinkle posted:I started the second half of Victory, and I can see the show starting to fall apart. This is sad. Is this where the second season curse originated? No but Tomino was heading through... not sure if it was 'peek' bad stuff in his life, but he clearly wasn't coping
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Mar 22, 2018 07:35
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Improbable Lobster posted:It has been a while since I've watched MSG I watched the show, taking notes on how accurate Amuro's aim was in every episode and webm'ing about two dozen different scenes so that I watched parts of it several times in total only a couple of months ago (maybe 4 or 5 months) and I still wildly mis-recalled one scene and know my memory of some bits is hazy as gently caress so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Mar 22, 2018 14:03
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brainwrinkle posted:I started the second half of Victory, and I can see the show starting to fall apart. This is sad. Is this where the second season curse originated? Victory wasn't divided into seasons so that wouldn't make any sense
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Mar 23, 2018 01:01
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Victory is good again after an episode where Flanders and Haro stage a daring rescue mission to save a naked Üso from bath torture
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Mar 23, 2018 01:08
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brainwrinkle posted:I started the second half of Victory, and I can see the show starting to fall apart. This is sad. Is this where the second season curse originated? Gundam seasons wasn't a thing until very recently with Gundam 00.
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Tae posted:Gundam seasons wasn't a thing until very recently with Gundam 00. Very recently being ten years ago.
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