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 Adam Nimoy, son of the late “Star Trek” icon Leonard Nimoy, and “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine” actress Terry Farrell married on Monday, on what would’ve been Leonard Nimoy’s 87th birthday. Huh. Well, live long and prosper, nerds.
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Going back to Jadzia chat: I haven't watched DS9 since it aired but I pick up the occasional episode on youtube. I think Jadzia didn't work because they didn't know what her character was suppose to be. It kinda formed around when Worf came about but this is problematic within a modern context. Jadzia should of been the ideal Starfleet officer, who embodies the curiosity, openness, and intellect. She comes across with Worf as eager to learn and loving life but it rarely comes across in the early episodes.
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Mar 27, 2018 20:32
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Mooseontheloose posted:Going back to Jadzia chat: They never really find a character for her. Early on, it's "old being in hot young body being mentor to Sisko and Bashir badly wants her," which got old very quickly. Then it became "spunky young science officer wise beyond her years," which also got old very quickly, so they added in "Klingon weeaboo." And then it became "Worf's love interest," which is where she was stuck for the rest of her time on the show. She was really just a cipher for her entire run, used as a device for whatever the writers needed at any given time.
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Mar 27, 2018 20:46
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Wise 800 year old yoda worm who also impulsively falls in love with phase-planet alien in like an hour
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Mar 27, 2018 20:48
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The Bloop posted:Wise 800 year old yoda worm who also impulsively falls in love with phase-planet alien in like an hour According to Dax in that same episode Curzon fell in love every week with someone new. Sisko is trying to convince Jadzia that she is making a hasty decision. She uses the fact that she never does anything interesting or important, or chase after people, as proof that she knows the gravity of the situation. So maybe symbionts love to fuuuuuuuck
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Mar 27, 2018 21:36
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They don't need human hosts at all, in fact. They just want gently caress avatars
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Mar 27, 2018 21:44
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I think both Terry Farrel and Nana Visitor agree that Jadzia Dax and Kira should have hooked up and left Odo and Worf to keep being weird loners.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:00
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Kibayasu posted:I think both Terry Farrel and Nana Visitor agree that Jadzia Dax and Kira should have hooked up and left Odo and Worf to keep being weird loners. I'm always in favor of more LGBT characters, but I don't know if I'd say those two had chemistry. Only character I thought Jadzia really had chemistry with was Sisko. No shame in liking your men like you like your beer: dark and strong. Much as I like her, I was never sold on any of Kira's love interests throughout DS9. I think she strikes me as being much too married to the job.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:06
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I think it was mostly a little joke they had but closer to the start of the series they were doing things together, just usually off screen. And Dax has plenty of chemistry with Lieutenant Atoa 
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Mar 27, 2018 22:20
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Brawnfire posted:They don't need human hosts at all, in fact. They just want gently caress avatars When you're an immortal worm parasite, pretty much anybody you have sex with is going to be, from your perspective, horribly short lived and going to die soon, so why take your relationships with them that seriously. It's like having a goldfish...a sentient goldfish you gently caress....ok, so maybe the analogy runs down a little bit there. It actually reminds me a little bit of this background conversation in one of the stores in Mass Effect. This salarian (sentient salamander, has a life span of about 40) is trying to buy a souvenir for his wife, an asari (monogendered race presenting as female, live for millenia) and it turns out the reason he's so obsessed with the perfect gift is that he knows she'll live so much longer than he will, and is terrified she'll forget him. Oddly wnough, best dialogue in the game, in my opinion.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:25
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Are there any actual LGBT characters in Trek? I mean clearly Bones and Kirk wanted to gently caress / hosed in college. But any real forthright gay characters?
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Mar 27, 2018 22:37
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Windows 98 posted:Are there any actual LGBT characters in Trek? I mean clearly Bones and Kirk wanted to gently caress / hosed in college. But any real forthright gay characters?
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Mar 27, 2018 22:40
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FlamingLiberal posted:Two were
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Mar 27, 2018 22:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:Two are on Discovery Well, were, at least. But the lack of canonical gay characters on pre-Discovery Star Trek, with the possible exception of bisexual mirror universe Kira, was a pretty big point of contention among the fans (and the cast, actually. A lot of the TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise cast pushed for hay characters, but they got shot down by a homophobic Rich Berman, who pretty much said there were no gays in the future.) Epicurius fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Mar 27, 2018 22:48
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Dax is effectively bi. I mean, it night be more accurate to say that Dax's alien sexuality is beyond the scope of human categorization, but still.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:52
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Riker is DTF in non-heteronormative ways
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Mar 27, 2018 22:55
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Pakled posted:Dax is effectively bi. I mean, it night be more accurate to say that Dax's alien sexuality is beyond the scope of human categorization, but still. Dax is an alien worm thing, but as for Jadzia, she seems to only be attracted to men. The one woman she shows any attraction to at all is somebody who's previous female host was married to Dax's previous male host. They used the whole episode as a homosexuality/homophobia analogue, but I don't know that it makes Jadzia explicitly bisexual.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:59
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Riker is definitely in the "it's a whole universe out there, time to boldly go where no man has gone before" category. Trying to narrow down a joined Trill's sexuality is just gonna give us all headaches so I'll abstain.
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Mar 27, 2018 23:07
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Cythereal posted:I'm always in favor of more LGBT characters, but I don't know if I'd say those two had chemistry. Only character I thought Jadzia really had chemistry with was Sisko. kira had some real good chemistry with o'brien. they could really relate over their shared experiences of killing spoonheads
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Mar 27, 2018 23:17
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Kazinsal posted:Riker is definitely in the "it's a whole universe out there, time to boldly go where no man has gone before" category. The actors for Bashir, Garak, Seven of Nine, and Reed also all claimed that they played the characters as bisexual.
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Mar 27, 2018 23:28
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Lt. Hawk in First Contact was written as gay but Berman struck it.
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Mar 27, 2018 23:30
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Gates McFadden also tried to change the ending of "The Host", the TNG episode that introduced the Trill, but that got quashed, supposedly by Berman. If you don't remember The Host, the plot is basically: Dr. Crusher falls in love with Odan, an ambassador who's from this new species, the Trill. She finds out his secret; that the Trill are really these worms that live inside the humanoid species on their home planet, and take over their bodies. She's a little, "Hmm", then decides, "You know what? I love you, even if you are a mind controlling worm in a meat puppet." Then the body dies, and they have to put the worm in Commander Riker so that Odan can continue his important negotiations. Odan/Riker, though, still is crushing on Dr. Crusher. She's like, "Well, this is kind of weird, you know, cause it's Commander Riker, but i guess he IS pretty hot, and it's still Odan, so what the hell!" Then, Riker's body starts to reject Odan, and they have to rush a new host in, or else both Riker and Odan will die. So, they do, and it's a woman. Dr. Crusher then says, basically, "Well, I could deal with dating a mind worm who was controlling the body of my friend, colleague, and immediate superior, but a lady dating a lady? Well, that's weird, and human beings can't deal with that!" Anyway, McFadden didn't like the ending saying basically, "You're basically saying that lesbians are worse than parasitic worms. I don't think Dr. Crusher would say or feel something like that. It's homophobic, I don't have any problem with lesbians or lesbian relationships, and it makes me uncomfortable as an actor playing a sympathetic, heroic character to say. Their answer was "Shut up and read the lines." Here's the actual ending, btw. Kareel is the new Odan host. quote:KAREEL
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Mar 27, 2018 23:58
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Epicurius posted:Gates McFadden also tried to change the ending of "The Host", the TNG episode that introduced the Trill, but that got quashed, supposedly by Berman. If you don't remember The Host, the plot is basically: Perhaps... someday... we'll be gay
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Mar 28, 2018 00:13
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Epicurius posted:Well, were, at least. But the lack of canonical gay characters on pre-Discovery Star Trek, with the possible exception of bisexual mirror universe Kira, was a pretty big point of contention among the fans (and the cast, actually. A lot of the TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise cast pushed for hay characters, but they got shot down by a homophobic Rich Berman, who pretty much said there were no gays in the future.) I didn't realize the 'Lt Hawk was written as gay' was a thing, but in the novels they do say that outright, as his partner works security on the Enterprise and later becomes more of a character in the Titan novels.
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Mar 28, 2018 00:39
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FabioClone posted:Perhaps... someday... we'll be gay
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Mar 28, 2018 00:45
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FlamingLiberal posted:I was trying to avoid spoilers for those that hadn't watched yet, but w/e Oops. Sorry. I can spoil my post if you'll spoil my quote.
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Mar 28, 2018 00:51
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Nessus posted:To Frakes' everlasting credit, he wanted to have the character Riker romanced from the agender species to be played by a man. It's in character. Riker would gently caress a frog if he could stop it hopping long enough. Remember his ' I'm getting a chub on' expression when Data's experimenting with ruining women's lives and he says " that's what I'm hoping you find out😆"
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Mar 28, 2018 01:18
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FabioClone posted:Perhaps... someday... we'll be gay BEVERLY Perhaps... someday... our ability to love will not be so limited. But here in the 1980s, there are no gay people.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:19
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Epicurius posted:
To be fair though, if Beverly isn't attracted to women she isn't attracted to women.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:28
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Mooseontheloose posted:To be fair though, if Beverly isn't attracted to women she isn't attracted to women. Sure, but the whole point of that episode is that she loves the worm, not the host.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:32
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Oh no Sisko grew a beard
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Mar 28, 2018 01:54
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Windows 98 posted:Oh no Sisko grew a beard Actually it is bad news...... for The Dominion!
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Mar 28, 2018 01:55
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Windows 98 posted:Oh no Sisko grew a beard Sisko's hair is just beginning its mid-life migration south.
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Mar 28, 2018 02:59
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Bearded Sisko owns but he does look a little weird in the transition before he shaves up top
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Mar 28, 2018 03:09
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Leave Beard Sisko is great. He's just so happy to have some time off to hang out with his son and travel through space in a balsa wood pod.
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Mar 28, 2018 03:27
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sure, but the whole point of that episode is that she loves the worm, not the host. That still doesn't mean she's physically attracted to lady bodies
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Mar 28, 2018 04:12
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Since we're talking about how much Star Trek producers suck AND Sisko's hair reminder that the reason Sisko started with head hair and no goatee was because the higher-ups thought he would look too much like a scary black man with them.
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Mar 28, 2018 04:15
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Kibayasu posted:Since we're talking about how much Star Trek producers suck AND Sisko's hair reminder that the reason Sisko started with head hair and no goatee was because the higher-ups thought he would look too much like a scary black man with them. I think it was more that they didn't want him to look too similar to his character in Spenser: For Hire for which he was best-known at that point. 
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Mar 28, 2018 04:19
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I assume the worst story I hear about Ricks is the true one.
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Mar 28, 2018 04:29
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I read it was because TNG was still on the air and the higher ups just thought it would be weird to have two bald captains on TV at the same time.
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