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Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Timby posted:

He's not wrong.

I bet you remember what beat Nemesis at the box office. Maid in Manhattan haha. Bet Berman loved meeting the execs after that.

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Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Maid in Manhattan was pretty good, though.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Maid in Manhattan was pretty good, though.

If you say so. We run a broad church here.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Trickjaw posted:

I bet you remember what beat Nemesis at the box office. Maid in Manhattan haha. Bet Berman loved meeting the execs after that.

I remember Berman tried to spin it by saying that everyone was saving their money because The Two Towers was coming out soon.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


dont even fink about it posted:

Reading the paper in the 24th century is probably a harrowing experience.

Can't be much worse than reading the paper in 2018.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
I will defend Generations and First Contact as good movies, Insurrection never lives up to its parts, but Nemesis is a special kind of awful.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Trickjaw posted:

If you say so. We run a broad church here.

Jennifer Lopez is a gift.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

How about that time Serenity was beaten on its opening weekend by some dull Jodie Foster plane thriller from the previous week.

I mean, it's a better movie than Nemesis, but that was still pretty funny.

Windows 98
Nov 13, 2005

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I’m digging this The Thing homage with the changeling

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Timby posted:

I remember Berman tried to spin it by saying that everyone was saving their money because The Two Towers was coming out soon.
Which is such an incredibly dumb statement because it's also an admission that they screwed up the release date (which they did).

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

womb with a view posted:

Okay, I've finally reached a point where I have space for a proper 90s science fiction television show in my life. I'm going to start watching DS9. Please give me tips on how to maximise my enjoyment of this.

Tip 1: watch DS9.

Tip 2: then watch Babylon 5.

Tip 3: then watch Farscape. It still counts because it premiered in 1999!

Windows 98
Nov 13, 2005

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Alert: Cisco has shaved his head and lost 50% of his power. A bold move.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

turn left hillary!! noo posted:



Tip 3: then watch Farscape. It still counts because it premiered in 1999!

Just do this and skip Babylon 5.

Windows 98
Nov 13, 2005

HTTP 400: Bad post
Not sure about this DS9 S4 intro song change. It sounds a bit weird.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Mooseontheloose posted:

skip Babylon 5.

immediately go to a dungeon

primaltrash
Feb 11, 2008

(Thought-ful Croak)

Mooseontheloose posted:

Just do this and skip Babylon 5.

look, I love DS9, but skip that too, i didn't realize Farscape was an option.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

No, all 3 are good, so do not skip any of them.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

Farscape in one hand, Lexx in the other.

Put your hands together.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

turn left hillary!! noo posted:

No, all 3 are good, so do not skip any of them.




Watch









Every





loving





THING

or your opinions mean NOTHING

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Windows 98 posted:

Alert: Cisco has shaved his head and lost 50% of his power. A bold move.

No, no, the hair on his head was containing him. Now everything is free to flow.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

Tighclops posted:

Watch









Every





loving





THING

or your opinions mean NOTHING

I don't want to sound like a :goonsay: but this. Everyone with their "what are the good episodes/must watch" lists don't understand that you can't really appreciate, say, In the Pale Moonlight without having watched not only all of the DS9 episodes leading up to it but all of the TNG episodes as well.
Watch all the Star Trek. Even the bad episodes. Especially the bad episodes.

Then watch Farscape because there are no bad episodes of Farscape, just ones that are too weird for the particular viewer.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Proof that Stockholm syndrome is real. In the Pale Moonlight isn't any worse because you skipped Meridian

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
You can pick and choose what you watch but when you're done you're left with a mass of lovely episodes/movies, festering in their own ineptitude and squandered potential

A skin of lameness, left behind by a series of better episodes ready to bitchslap you across the soundstage to your doom at 3AM when you're jonsing for a fix and all you've got left are Sex Candle Ghost and the one with the Rock

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



8one6 posted:

I don't want to sound like a :goonsay: but this. Everyone with their "what are the good episodes/must watch" lists don't understand that you can't really appreciate, say, In the Pale Moonlight without having watched not only all of the DS9 episodes leading up to it but all of the TNG episodes as well.
Watch all the Star Trek. Even the bad episodes. Especially the bad episodes.
I don't think this is really true, but I do think going "ok what are the three TNG episodes to watch" is just a pointless exercise. Top three in each season, maybe.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Tighclops posted:

You can pick and choose what you watch but when you're done you're left with a mass of lovely episodes/movies, festering in their own ineptitude and squandered potential

Are we talking about Lexx now?

Zonko_T.M.
Jul 1, 2007

I'm not here to fuck spiders!

8one6 posted:

Then watch Farscape because there are no bad episodes of Farscape, just ones that are too weird for the particular viewer.

Ok, man, I love Farscape, but there are definitely bad episodes. Some of them, especially in Season 1, are just boring.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist
First Contact is widely considered to be the good TNG movie... but it would be SO much better without the Borg Queen. Those scenes are a loving train wreck.

In my ideal timeline, Generations never existed and they blew up the Enterprise-D in First Contact after all the same plot points of "THIS FAR NO FURTHER" "Picard, blow up the drat ship!"

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Zesty posted:

First Contact is widely considered to be the good TNG movie... but it would be SO much better without the Borg Queen. Those scenes are a loving train wreck.

First Contact mainly accomplishes being the least bad

Vord
Oct 27, 2007

dont even fink about it posted:

First Contact mainly accomplishes being the least bad

That's a funny way to spell Generations

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
First Contact isn't the best Trek movie, but it is the most entertaining, which automatically puts it firmly within in the top half of them. I will take this to my grave.

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!

Zesty posted:

First Contact is widely considered to be the good TNG movie... but it would be SO much better without the Borg Queen. Those scenes are a loving train wreck.

In my ideal timeline, Generations never existed and they blew up the Enterprise-D in First Contact after all the same plot points of "THIS FAR NO FURTHER" "Picard, blow up the drat ship!"

The idea of the Enterprise getting thoroughly borged up, blown up by Picard's hand, and then them somehow getting sent back to their present with a lingering thread of like, a Borg beacon blinking in the wreckage putting Earth on their radar to some degree does appeal to me. Time warping with 21st century tech or without involving the Vulcans and polluting the timeline is a hell of a hurdle to get past though. I dunno, maybe Q does them a solid.

It wouldn't be a bad way to end the movie series if they all ended up stranded in the past and just accepted it as a noble sacrifice and settled down to civilian life, maybe gave Zefram a few small tips. You get a bit of time paradox Data too since he'd be the only one to potentially still be alive beyond that point, and bonus points if the epilogue is him revealing himself to Starfleet right after the Enterprise goes to the past and tells the story of what happened, and for the first time ever Trek does time travel without popping right back to where they came from and without blatantly causing paradoxes and such.

It's a shame that first contact is about as good as the next gen movies got, there was a mountain of potential there and it just never quite came together. I'm still glad we got them though, even the bad ones have some fun scenes or ideas to them.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

8one6 posted:

Then watch Farscape because there are no bad episodes of Farscape, just ones that are too weird for the particular viewer.
"Jeremiah Crichton" is bad and they spend the whole of the commentary track having a laugh about how it all went wrong. 'Taking the Stone' is the worst sort of bad: boring.

I'm finally watching Voyager at the moment (I saw early seasons at the time before university interrupted). Talking about Farscape highlights just how same-y VOY's alien can be; humans but for (cheap) face painting/prosthetics living in (cheap set) provincial outdoor-market towns. By comparison Farscape does such an amazing job of coming up with weird and wonderful aliens species, who have weird and wonderful cultures, living in the sort of busy trading places you'd actually expect t come across in spacefaring societies.

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

FlamingLiberal posted:

Until Voyager does it..

i did my time with voyager never again

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




NowonSA posted:

The idea of the Enterprise getting thoroughly borged up, blown up by Picard's hand, and then them somehow getting sent back to their present with a lingering thread of like, a Borg beacon blinking in the wreckage putting Earth on their radar to some degree does appeal to me. Time warping with 21st century tech or without involving the Vulcans and polluting the timeline is a hell of a hurdle to get past though. I dunno, maybe Q does them a solid.

Pull a Futurama, have the crew seal themselves away in stasis somewhere they know they won't be disturbed and pop up after they leave the 24 century.

womb with a view
Sep 8, 2007

Okay, trip report, here we go:

S01E01/S01E02: Emissary Parts 1 and 2

quote:

-Wow starting off with a bang
-Sisko is great
-Kira also great
-It's nice to see minor conflict among the main characters, reminds me of TOS
-Oh my god the CGI
-Odo great
-Really like that they're not just using Picard as a super revered former character they have to pay homage to. Bold move to have your new captain antagonise an established favourite
-Jennifer is a bad actress
-Cute humour with Sisko and Dax when she thinks the planet is great
-Was a little worried about the prophecy stuff but they definitely pulled it together
-It's so Star Trek: exploration as a discovery of self, courage in the face of the unknown, alien concepts like not understanding linear existence, religion being a balance of science and spirituality
-Super adventurous first plot, was expecting something entirely on board the station to set it up but they really went for it. Liking it so far!

Definitely preferred this to The Vulcan Hello.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

womb with a view posted:

Okay, trip report, here we go:

S01E01/S01E02: Emissary Parts 1 and 2


Definitely preferred this to The Vulcan Hello.

The Vulcan Hello sounds like a program that I can run at Quark's for 2 strips of latinum.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

8one6 posted:

The Vulcan Hello sounds like a program that I can run at Quark's for 2 strips of latinum.

So does "A Night in Sickbay"






And 11001001 but for a different reason

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

8one6 posted:

The Vulcan Hello sounds like a program that I can run at Quark's for 2 strips of latinum.

TNG- "This is the holodeck. All of your dreams made real! We put on realistic Shakespeare plays! And It let's us play characters in adaptations of 19th century literature! We use it to consult with great scientific and artistic minds throughout history to help educate and inspire us, to solve our problems and help improve ourselves as people."

DS9: "Welcome to Quark's, home of the loosest Dabo tables in the sector. Ask about our loyalty specials. This week only, holosuite specials...rent a half hour, get the second half hour half price. What's a holosuite? Eh, mostly people use it to watch porn."

I also like the advice Quark gives to Jake at one point, which is basically, look, I know you want to be a great novelist, but the real money is in erotic holonovels. Write some, I'll get you in touch with some distributors, and we can both make a fortune."

Epicurius fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Mar 29, 2018

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

The Ferengi simply understood what people would actually use a holodecksuite for.

And also hanging out in rat pack casino lounge.


Epicurius posted:

...
I also like the advice Quark gives to Jake at one point, which is basically, look, I know you want to be a great novelist, but the real money is in erotic holonovels. Write some, I'll get you in touch with some distributors, and we can both make a fortune."

Quark wasn't wrong.

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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

dont even fink about it posted:

First Contact mainly accomplishes being the least bad

First Contact is, to me anyway, visually very pretty, has good action scenes, and balances the Enterprise stuff and the stuff on Earth fairly well. The opening scenes with the Borg taking over the ship are legitimately creepy. The Borg Queen wasn't executed very well but I kinda get why they added her to give the movie a proper villain.

I think the first battle should of been longer to really sell the Borg threat but still that first battle is fun too.


Welp, that's my First Contact defense.

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