Crini posted:

Can anyone give me some feedback on this 1000pt Guard list? I'm just looking to play casual games. I have very little experience actually playing Warhammer, so I don't expect to be very good. I just want to push my plastic army men around a table and roll some dice, winning is secondary. What I don't want is to have a list that isn't any fun to play against or is cheesy.

My entire philosophy for this list is to shoot at everything that moves and most of everything that doesn't. I realize that with Guard if the enemy comes into contact with me then we have a less than ideal situation.


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [22 PL, 432pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 35pts]: Chainsword, Display Astra Militarum Orders, Grand Strategist, Kurov's Aquila, Plasma pistol, Warlord

Primaris Psyker [2 PL, 46pts]: Force Stave, Nightshroud, Psychic Maelstrom

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Astra Millitarum/Imperium

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

+ Elites +

Special Weapons Squad [2 PL, 45pts]: 3x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Special Weapons Squad [2 PL, 60pts]: 3x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Special Weapons Squad [2 PL, 39pts]: 3x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 58pts]
. 5x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Heavy Weapon Team: Heavy bolter
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 58pts]
. 5x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Heavy Weapon Team: Heavy bolter
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 58pts]
. 5x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Heavy Weapon Team: Heavy bolter
. Sergeant: Laspistol

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [35 PL, 570pts] ++

+ HQ +

Tank Commander [12 PL, 197pts]: Display Tank Orders, Heavy Bolter
. Command Battle Tank: Battle Cannon

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Cadian

+ Heavy Support +

Basilisks [7 PL, 108pts]
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 180pts]
. Leman Russ Battle Tank: Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolters, Lascannon

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 52pts]
. 7x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

++ Total: [57 PL, 1002pts] ++

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Thanqol posted:

Admech is rad. I think they're pretty much the perfect army. Even the limited unit selection winds up being cool because it means I can play any forgeworld and any set of tactics for them with the models I have, which serves to make them shockingly adaptable on the table. Everything does exactly what it needs to do and not one step more.

Onager Dunecrawlers with Neutron Lasers are one example. They have exactly enough STR to wound Russes on 3s and exactly enough AP to mean that russes don't get a save at all in response, and their min damage of 3 means that three of them firing at a russ will 100% delete it. So their offensive power is exactly what it needs to be. But their defensive power is -also- what it needs to be - in that they can move and shoot with no penalty. So you can deploy your spidertanks out of LOS and then swing them around a corner with a respectable 8' movement range and delete a russ no problem. From there they've got a 5++ rerolling ones bubble and if they're not killed outright the nearby Dominus can bring one back up to full health in a single repair pass.

It's not a complicated unit but, again as is the theme with AdMech, it fills its tactical role perfectly and not one step more.

And they've got perfectly calibrated counters like this against every possible unit. Destroyers with grav cannons mince superheavy infantry like Custodes or light vehicles like sentinels. Kastellian robots can kill infinity guardsmen - two put down 36 shots wounding on twos and negating armour saves, which is basically 15 dead guardsmen - before you add any of their many potential rerolls and synergies. Sidonian Dragoons are perfect flankers and harassers who absorb crazy amounts of fire for what they cost and if left unattended will wind up in your enemy's tank line. Even Imperial Knights work great with AdMech armies despite/because they have no synergies with anyone else - the rest of the Admech army is somewhat slow and synergistic which means that it needs to advance in a bit of a clump, you can give a Knight an entire flank to itself and it'll move around at a shocking speed and prevent your opponent from concentrating their fire on your fire base. One CP per turn for a 4++ makes the Knight unstoppable.

And while your armies will always be samey in terms of models, it means switching between FW tactics doesn't require any additional investment. For instance, just by adding a few more Destroyers than I normally do I get a fantastic Agrippia list which allows me the craziest overwatch in the game (5+, with two hits on 6's via a relic, which is mathematically equal to destroyers normal BS) and the ability to resurrect a crippled unit of Destroyers. Or I can switch that to Mars, put down a unit of six robots, and add 15 mortal wounds to my existing 108 shots.

People talk poo poo about the AdMech codex being boring but I don't agree with that at all. Ply into it a bit and you can find interesting ways to get a tonne of mileage out of any unit, from a lance of 6 Sidonian Dragoons bringing down a Knight in a single charge, to getting Sicarian Infiltrators to a profile of 2+/5++ 3 STR7 attacks hitting on 2s and doing 3 hits on 5s.

We also have the coolest models in the business. Literally the only thing we lack is a transport.

AdMech is good. Buy in.

NovemberMike posted:

@Crini
A few things pop out to me.

First, you're just Astra Militarum. Picking a regiment gives you a free boost.

Why does the warlord have a plasma pistol? Do you plan on using him aggressively?

What's the plan with the special weapon squads. I don't see a transport, do you have a plan to get them into range?

Your infantry squads all have vox casters. That's a little overkill when you can just take a couple of extra platoon commanders and spread your orders out with extra bodies (and extra orders). Vox casters are expensive for what you get.

Grenade launchers are kind of mediocre.

If you're going to add weapons to a tank, add them to the tank commander first (especially at lower points). Also, consider how much moving and shooting you plan on doing, it can really lower the value of the sponsons depending on your regiment.

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Have you considered playing dark eldar.

Neurolimal posted:

The Matt Ward era. I admittedly didn't pay as much attention to 40k when that time rolled around.

I'm still amazed that there are people who are into the concept of "the other, other, other Emperor's chosen elite, this time they're psychic, and so uber secret they genocide worlds to stay hidden" beyond whenever it's a FotM.

One_Wing posted:

I am open mouthed at how preposterously broken that strategem is. I legitimately thought “no countering strategems” was a deliberate design choice they were making. The number of potentially uses is drat near infinite, and it will say “3CP - win the game” far too often. Even shutting off a command re-roll will often be clutch - imagine turning off a reroll for Guilleman or Celestine’s res? Or more hilariously, opponent planning on using insane bravery to keep that blob of 20 Necron warriors you whittles down to 5 in the game? All aboard the nope train.

I would not be surprised if this gets straight up nuked from orbit as fast as commissars did.

I...am going to have to email the London GT organisers and ask how they’re handling dark Eldar detachments. If they’re going for the obvious choice of 3 Drukari patrols = 1 normal detachment, then I think I’m going to have to see if I can coordinate getting an allied force together rather than running my Craftworlds brigade.

You can probably build a 3 patrol blob including a 20 wych block for under 500 points. You make the Archon your warlord, with the KotBH regen CP trait (which craftworlds are already frustratingly don’t have outside half of it on autarchs, which are trash in Biel Tan anyway), pay your one CP to level the haemoculus up to the “lol now gain d3” trait and a succubus to ???, then run a craftworlds battalion + something else. Trade 500 points of craftworld stuff to get access to a premier chaff clearing unit in the Wyches, a couple of objective grabbing troops choices and three decent characters, and get access to what is probably the best strategem in the game, CP regen, and a bunch of other neat tricks.

My Necron army might have to wait.

Everything about this codex screams out to me that this is going to turn out to be a terrible mistake. I really hope they know what they’re doing. Maybe soup is getting some serious nerfing in the FAQ, something like “only get strategems that match all factions of your warlord” would help

Deified Data posted:

As a pure Drukhari player I would absolutely be behind soup lists not getting access to our strats or our raiding party detachments.

I want my army to be strong but I don't want the army I stuck with while it was weak to be "that guy's" army.

Crini posted:

What is the xenos?
-A blight to be purged

tallkidwithglasses posted:

The stratagem isn’t that bad, one wing just lost his goddamn mind over it.

Karl Rove posted:

That was the 5e codex, which has apparently thoroughly traumatized the playerbase that they assume GK remained good from that point on? Their 7e codex was a wet sack of poo poo and the current 8e version is only marginally better, and still probably the worst codex in the game at the moment.

Fluff-wise, what you're describing has been GW's MO for a long time now and Primaris and Custodes are way worse offenders; Grey Knights have been in the game since 2nd edition.

Crini posted:

They'd be Cadian, I need to mark that in Battle Scribe.

Most of my decisions here are based on the things I think are cool, which might not be the best way to serve the Emperor. Plasma pistols are cool, Basilisks & mortars are cool, etc.

My main thought for the force would be to sit back and shoot at everything with everything in the beginning, allow the massed firepower to take care of the enemy since the Guard can't stand up to charges.. I was thinking of walking the special weapons guys behind the tanks, slowly, after the carnage cleared to try and take objectives. Really the tanks, the special weapons squad, and the one infantry squad with no heavy weapon would be my 'mobile' options. I could also use the Commander & Psyker that way also. The rest of the force would just be a static fire base.

Am I overdoing the firepower and not allowing enough mobile options? I could add a Chimera or maybe some Sentinals to give my force some more mobility.

Neurolimal posted:

At least there's some reasoning for Custodes and Primaris that makes sense and makes them interesting (Custodes basically being hulking painters and poets, primaris out-of-fluff being a way to explain fixing marine proportions), Grey Knights as-penned by Matt Ward are just a chapter of all-librarians, except they're immune to chaos (despite psykers being hilariously chaos-prone), have weird bonus technology, and are murderously secret for uh, Reasons. They're Dark Angels sans the anything compelling.

Outside 5e I think people dislike GK's because of how aggressively one-note they are; one color scheme, no interesting characters, and when they're good they're just a glowing "dont play with me if you have a Chaos army" neon sign, spelled out in binary.

Neurolimal posted:

Grey Knights as-penned by Matt Ward are just a chapter of all-librarians, except they're immune to chaos (despite psykers being hilariously chaos-prone), have weird bonus technology, and are murderously secret for uh, Reasons.

Karl Rove posted:

I mean, I'll leave it at saying I disagree with your assessment I find Dark Angels uncompelling and boring as concrete (and their color scheme is hideous). I don't get what you mean about the GK paint scheme though; basically every chapter has a single paint scheme of one or maybe two solid colors with little to no variation.

Hustlin Floh posted:

Literally everything you said here was part of the GK fluff before Matt Ward came along, he just added to the framework that was already there. I get your misunderstanding, they probably don't explain that on the 1d4chan wiki. Have you considered reading the actual books and not parroting the opinions of a bunch of rape-obsessed creeps? Maybe after that you can progress to actually playing the game.

Neurolimal posted:

Well, every chapter at least has successors to mix things up. I guess it's more to do with my dislike for their whole silver color scheme. Pretty much most peoples' disdain for Custodes gold is how I feel about it.

Hustlin Floh posted:

Neurolimal posted:

That sounds pretty neat, do you have any pics? I usually keep my grey colors pretty dark since I use grey primer and get paranoid about things looking unpainted.

Der Waffle Mous posted:

GK Were the super secret edgy boys who executed guard regiments they worked with because they were witnesses since Codex: Daemonhunters at least.

Ward added a lot of really dumb stuff, though.

AnEdgelord posted:

I still dont feel like Draigo really fits. His existence devalues the horror of the Warp and Chaos as an antagonist.

Neurolimal posted:

Is my brain just making up the concept that GK are rumored to be heavily comprised of librarians from traitor chapters that refused to defect/traitor geneseed that resisted corruption?

One_Wing posted:

Looks like the codex related content embargo has dropped cause the tabletop tactics Drukari intro battle report has been posted.

It’s quite something.

https://youtu.be/ChhwdS08HbY

I am so very not loving reassured

R0ckfish posted:

maybe they are too valuable to risk dying during induction into a chapter? Or they cannot discover them early enough.

mango sentinel posted:

I can't deal with that one guy because he looks like a Bob's Burgers character and is kind of annoying. Why would you choose to have that mustache and hair?

Corrode posted:

Lawrence is one of the best players in the UK outside the ETC setup and potentially better than a lot of the guys in it. Drukhari are his favourite army. Bone is a cool guy and a decent player but nowhere near as good as Lawrence is, and he's playing pure World Eaters which is an army Dark Eldar are basically designed to take apart especially how their studio build is set up. Chill the gently caress out, it's one report with some very heavily limiting factors.

Zuul the Cat posted:

This is a great write up on AdMech. At some point I really should get Dragoons. Also, to point out, we don't have transport or any psyker ability on our own. We can soup some in, though, which is great.

As salty as I am/was about AdMech, after playing them so much in 8th, I agree - you can play them a number of different ways and they're a ton of fun.

Neurolimal posted:

If you really want to make sure everyone's on the up-and-up, you could always make a data sheet with the total'd up stats of the units and quick summaries of the rules, and let them skim it while you put your mans on the table.

That's actually something I plan on doing to cap off a 2000pt army: a few sheets with all the units, checkboxes for wound tracking & per-turn powers, which units are in what transports, stratagems and total CP, laminated so I can just use a dry-erase marker and use it repeatedly. More for myself to remember all that poo poo but being transparent with an opponent is a nice bonus

DancingShade posted:

You know I'm surprised they don't have some pariahs/blanks on the space marine training program like they do with librarians. Seems like that might be useful.

xutech posted:

Remember when the Pariah were literally the Emperor's children, and they were the secret ingredient to psyk-out ammunition and grenades?.