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World Famous W posted:Prince of Egypt is a fantastic movie and the only bad part is the Big Boys song.
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Wait has Dreamworks seriously not released Blu-Rays for Prince of Egypt or Road to El Dorado? 
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Squarely Circle posted:Pick, I'm prepared to judge your taste in movies entirely on how you came by your current avatar. I bought it for myself because Phantom of the Paradise is great.
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Mar 31, 2018 15:23
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Pick posted:I bought it for myself because Phantom of the Paradise is great.  Hell yeah.
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Mar 31, 2018 16:43
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I think the De La Cruz thing was so tidy due to the fact that it's a movie meant for kids (Read: Grown up idiots who don't like to think about their movies), and didn't want to leave them with an (spoilered just in case) emotionally confusing and karmically unjustified note. Tidy endings make for happy audiences, and happy audiences make for great word of mouth. I totally understand that and get why they did it. But it did feel like an unnecessary addition still. We got to see the final comeuppance in the land of the dead already, and by the time we’re at the end the focus is back on the family. It doesn’t ruin the movie by any stretch, but it’s like if in Wall-E there was a final shot of Auto being used as a toilet (crude example, I’m tired, be quiet). The focus was already pulled away, it should stay that way.
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21 Muns posted:Have you considered that maybe you're failing to correctly read those movies you consistently don't like that share that one element you consistently think is irrelevant and unnecessary? uh are you actually trying to argue that Pixar films revolve around the conflict with their antagonists or are you just taking poorly aimed potshots here
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Apr 1, 2018 02:45
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:uh are you actually trying to argue that Pixar films revolve around the conflict with their antagonists or are you just taking poorly aimed potshots here Pretty big leap there from "conflicts with antagonists matter in Pixar films" to "Pixar films revolve around conflicts with antagonists".
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Apr 1, 2018 02:53
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:uh are you actually trying to argue that Pixar films revolve around the conflict with their antagonists or are you just taking poorly aimed potshots here they don't revolve around it but the antagonist's role in the plot almost always dovetails with the central theme somehow
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Apr 1, 2018 02:59
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:they don't revolve around it but the antagonist's role in the plot almost always dovetails with the central theme somehow yeah they follow the motif but with the exception of, idk, the Toy Story psycho kid I can't come up with one the movie wouldn't be about the same or better without, they're incidental to the heart of the movie which is the protagonists bouncing off each other and arriving at some synthesis of their outlooks. The Up guy and the Wall-E ship wheel thing in particular kinda feel like the movie was originally scripted entirely without them and then the shareholders said a movie has to have a fight with a villain somewhere. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Apr 1, 2018 03:06
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:yeah they follow the motif but with the exception of, idk, the Toy Story psycho kid I can't come up with one the movie wouldn't be about the same or better without, they're incidental to the heart of the movie which is the two protagonists bouncing off each other and arriving at some healthy synthesis of their outlooks. The Up guy and the Wall-E ship wheel thing in particular kinda feel like the movie was originally scripted entirely without them and then the shareholders said a movie has to have a fight with a villain somewhere so they stuck one in. This seems to be a common opinion but it's always struck me as pretty misguided; these movies would legitimately work a lot worse without their antagonist figures. Sid is pretty far from the most integral Pixar villain; if anything he's an unusual one in terms of how at-odds he feels with the rest of the movie.
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Apr 1, 2018 03:09
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Syndrome is positively vital to the plot.
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Apr 1, 2018 03:13
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I thought he contributed specifically because he's this jarring glimpse of horror in what would otherwise be an overly saccharine and conflict-free movie. He makes Woody and Buzz really stretch themselves, and sets the plight of the toys in stark relief. It's a cold world out there for $.50 plastic trinkets nobody loves. Contrast to the Up guy, who's Carl but taken to absurd supervillain extremes that don't even make sense in relation to Carl? Like Carl's problem is that he's a sad old man who lives in the past not that he's going to eventually start murdering anyone who he thinks might try to take his house full of dusty old memories away, and being stranded with this kid in the middle of fantasy South America is sort of trouble enough to deal with and grow from thank you very much without this five-minute cipher of Dick Dastardly and Muttley jamming themselves into the story A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Apr 1, 2018 03:13
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the supervillain extremes aren't necessarily stuff that Carl's himself capable of, but the horrible actions all stemming from that same shared flaw is what makes Carl start seeing it in himself and wanting to change it. i wouldn't say he's central to the overall plot of the movie but he's 100% central to Carl's arc.
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Apr 1, 2018 03:26
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Anton Ego is the best thing about Ratatouille.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I thought he contributed specifically because he's this jarring glimpse of horror in what would otherwise be an overly saccharine and conflict-free movie. He makes Woody and Buzz really stretch themselves, and sets the plight of the toys in stark relief. It's a cold world out there for $.50 plastic trinkets nobody loves. If Sid didn't exist, it would still fundamentally be a movie about Woody 'accidentally' pushing a rival to his authority out a window, and then being mutinied, far from conflict-free. If anything, having Sid as this one-dimensional, horrific villain is actually what makes the film saccharine, it minimizes the conflict inherent in just Woody's despotic attitude and Buzz's fantasy that he's on a mission. It takes the social crisis of the story and safely exports it outside of the now quaint, unobjectionable middle-class family. The major focus of the film is not the plight of the toys. The downward spiral of Woody and Buzz's relationship dramatizes Andy's desire for a male role model at a point of critical change in his life. Sid - who also has an 'absentee' or, in this case, literally an unconscious father - also has a little sister, and their relationship foreshadows what Andy is in danger of becoming to his little sister if he can not relocate these models of traditional, assertive, and responsible masculinity. The parallels mount further when you consider the contrast between Sid's dog, and the puppy that Andy receives at the end of the film, one an attack dog, the other a surrogate for Andy to nurture his sense of responsibility to something living and outside of himself. We can even consider one of Sid's most prominent toys, literally just a baby's head walking on spider legs.
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Apr 1, 2018 04:58
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Honestly, none of the Toy Story films would be as good as they are without their villains. Well, in Toy Story 2's case I'd argue Al's more important than Pete is; even though Pete is by far the more antagonistic of the two, he's not the one who stole Woody in the first place. But still! I suppose Hopper is pretty important to A Bug's Life too, although I recall the plot focusing more on Flik getting over his own hangups for large parts of the film rather than the climactic fight against the grasshoppers.
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Apr 1, 2018 05:10
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 Well, Walmart took down their Easter movie specials already, so no Prince of Egypt tonight sadly! I was looking forward to it, too.I also keep meaning to snag both the Rankin/Bass Easter specials on DVD at some point; I still have the old tapes I grew up with but one is more or less unwatchable without a way to adjust the tracking on my VCR. Someday! Those movies were my jam as a kid. That, and... can we talk about muppets/puppets in this thread (considering stop-motion is really just frame-by-frame puppetry?  ) Can we talk about how freakin' good The Tale of the Bunny Picnic is?
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Apr 1, 2018 05:21
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Hopper has a good villain speech so he's very important IMO
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Apr 1, 2018 06:01
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Anton Ego is the best thing about Ratatouille. He’s not the villain, the short gross chef is,
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Apr 1, 2018 07:12
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Cars doesn't really have an antagonist, unless you count Chick Hicks (green racecar), but he's more of a competitive douche than straight up villain.
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Apr 1, 2018 07:15
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Pick posted:He’s not the villain, the short gross chef is, There can be two villians.
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Apr 1, 2018 07:18
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i'm a villain
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Apr 1, 2018 12:45
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The real villain of Ratatouille was capitalism.
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Apr 1, 2018 13:59
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GrandpaPants posted:The real villain I also blame capitalism for the lack of a Zootopia sequel.
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Apr 1, 2018 15:23
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You could probably say Ratatouille has an antagonist and a villain. The antagonist being Ego, literally and figuratively. It motivates all of the characters at one point or another, but only one of them truly becomes a villain.
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Apr 1, 2018 15:45
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LeJackal posted:I also blame capitalism for the lack of a Zootopia sequel. Hey now, isn't capitalism the hero in critically mentioned animated feature Food Fight?
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Apr 1, 2018 16:08
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The villain in Toy Story is a unique and poorly understood caste system I want to see a Toy President
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Apr 1, 2018 17:58
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Pick posted:He’s not the villain, the short gross chef is, I forgot all about that guy until specifically trying to remember lame Pixar villains
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LeJackal posted:I also blame capitalism for the lack of a Zootopia sequel. Don't go pointing fingers just yet: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/unlikely-source-confirmed-disney-making-zootopia-sequel-153056.html Well, I guess you can still blame capitalism for its release date coming after a cavalcade of gratuitous live-action remakes.
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Only thing I want out of a Zootopia sequel is alligators. I don't care if the world was like only mammels or whatever. Alligators are cool
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Apr 1, 2018 22:19
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First contact with a hitherto undiscovered culture of alligators is... probably gonna make the racism conversation completely unbearable.
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Apr 1, 2018 23:05
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being completely realistic, Disney is probably well aware that they stand to make a giant dump truck of money off Zootopia 2, but they're also probably pretty goddamn concerned about how the first movie's messaging dovetails with the current political climate. we'll probably see a Zootopia 2 and it'll probably be thematically weird in the context of the first movie, and probably a good bit less progressive (and that's taking into account that Zootopia was literally the most oversimplified "racism for babies" explanation possible).
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Apr 2, 2018 01:37
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:being completely realistic, Disney is probably well aware that they stand to make a giant dump truck of money off Zootopia 2, but they're also probably pretty goddamn concerned about how the first movie's messaging dovetails with the current political climate. I do have to give Credit that it does not do 'Yay Racism is over forever!' like too many family/kids fare do.
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Cockmaster posted:Don't go pointing fingers just yet: I also blame capitalism for the lack of merchandise.
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Apr 2, 2018 02:05
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It seems it's getting plenty of merchandise... in Japan. Still, it exists somewhere, therefore you can always just import it I guess.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:First contact with a hitherto undiscovered culture of alligators is... probably gonna make the racism conversation completely unbearable. Maybe instead of first contact, it could just be a foreign country? Given the modern feel of Zootopia, that seems a lot more plausible. Less a Zootopia version of the conquest of the Americas and more a Zootopia version of international relations with China today.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:being completely realistic, Disney is probably well aware that they stand to make a giant dump truck of money off Zootopia 2, but they're also probably pretty goddamn concerned about how the first movie's messaging dovetails with the current political climate. Zootopia 2: Judy Joins The DHS
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Zootopia 2: Judy Joins The DHS Ideally it'd be more like a "Judy joins the CIA" thing? Maybe she could do some spy movie shenanigans where she has an action scene in a reptile country, a bird country, an insect country, etc, until she finally uncovers some kind of conspiracy to turn animals against each other again (maybe perpetrated by fish in revenge for their being the acceptable animal everyone is allowed to eat?  )
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Don't let disney or pixar do spy-themed sequels.
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