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Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer

Beefeater posted:

Yes and no. It only improves on dropped gear as you improve the item. So say you got a set chest piece out of a dungeon in blue quality with a stamina enchantment on it - the enchantment would be blue quality as well. If you were to then improve the item to purple quality the enchantment quality would follow suit.

However, if you were to craft a chest piece, improve it to purple and then slap a white enchantment on it that you looted, the enchantment quality would retain that white quality.

Oh ok so yeah what you're saying is I can't really make anything that will keep up with random loot while I'm leveling probably because I can't make enchantments that keep up yet

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Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
Is there a good way to actually get enough ingredients to level provisioning and alchemy and poo poo?

I can't really find provisioning ingredients anywhere and obviously picking up alchemy stuff is slow as hell too

I take it they aren't sold anywhere to prevent people from just grinding them easily with money?

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf
You can buy them on guild traders. Alchemy ingredients can be pretty damned expensive though. I don't have a link, but there's a few guides out there that give a pretty solid step by step means of leveling alchemy whilst learning the traits of pretty much all ingredients.

As for provisioning, I just collected enough crap and recipes to make food until I was 50. Took me about 20 minutes.

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

Lol people are 100% losing their poo poo over Morrowind going ESO+ and Warden being a Crown Store upgrade.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
Is there a PS4 goon guild at all or should I just find some pubbies to join?

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf

Scyantific posted:

Lol people are 100% losing their poo poo over Morrowind going ESO+ and Warden being a Crown Store upgrade.

There needs to be a looping track of a dozen crying babies every time you open General Discussion on the official forums.

Fried Sushi
Jul 5, 2004

How many 'literally a slap in the face' posts have their been?

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
I mean it is actually kind of lovely though.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer

corn in the bible posted:

I mean it is actually kind of lovely though.
I'm fine if I already bought Morrowind and am playing a warden though right?

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf
I think it's a rule or something on those boards that anyone with the little bantam guar avatar has to be painfully retarded.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

corn in the bible posted:

I mean it is actually kind of lovely though.

Yeah that kind of sucks. It's a little weirdly timed too, I feel like people will be put off buying Summerset if they know it's just going to be free with the other sub stuff in a year.

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf
I think it's pretty par for the course. Pretty much every and any MMO does this with expansions - announce new expansion, roll previous expansions into base package. I suppose I can see the issue with making it part of ESO+ rather than just absolute base game, but it makes sense given that the game doesn't have a sub if you don't want it to. They can't give everything away for free.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Lunchmeat Larry posted:

Vivec can stop them touching down despite getting weaker but Almalexia can't keep them away from just outside her house. Vivec for best god

Almalexia has nords and lizards to go close them for her, it's just the power of delegation

That said probably a good idea to expend a bit more energy to make sure a chunk of red mountain doesn't end up in coldharbour

count_von_count
Nov 6, 2012

Beefeater posted:

I think it's a rule or something on those boards that anyone with the little bantam guar avatar has to be painfully retarded.

But...it's so cute :3:

Morrowind release: "It won't be accessible with ESO+?? gently caress you!"
Summerset release: "Morrowind comes with ESO+ now?? gently caress you!"

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf

count_von_count posted:


Morrowind release: "It won't be accessible with ESO+?? gently caress you!"
Summerset release: "Morrowind comes with ESO+ now?? gently caress you!"

Right? I remember when they updated all armor and weapon traits and finally got rid of the loving terrible Prosperous trait. After reading the PTS notes I thought to myself "I'll bet there's someone in general that's bitching about this". Lo and behold: "THANKS ZOS NOW I CAN'T MAKE ANY MONEY".

Official MMO boards are always loving terrible but the ESO ones are some of the worst I've ever seen.

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf
Also, why don't the mounts have balls and penises?

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!

Stefan Prodan posted:

Is there a PS4 goon guild at all or should I just find some pubbies to join?

I was gonna offer to make you a training set, but, that answers that question.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Aramek posted:

I was gonna offer to make you a training set, but, that answers that question.

time to buy a PS4 ara

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Beefeater posted:

I think it's pretty par for the course. Pretty much every and any MMO does this with expansions - announce new expansion, roll previous expansions into base package. I suppose I can see the issue with making it part of ESO+ rather than just absolute base game, but it makes sense given that the game doesn't have a sub if you don't want it to. They can't give everything away for free.

I can't think of any MMORPG that has done this before, actually. Anyone who bought Morrowind in the last sale probably feels like a sucker, and they're right.

Ixjuvin
Aug 8, 2009

if smug was a motorcycle, it just jumped over a fucking canyon
Nap Ghost

corn in the bible posted:

I can't think of any MMORPG that has done this before, actually. Anyone who bought Morrowind in the last sale probably feels like a sucker, and they're right.

do you also get mad about humble bundles and steam sales

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

I'm pretty sure that after totaling up the cost we'll probably see MW + Warden coming out as more expensive than originally priced.

Beefeater
May 17, 2003

I'm hungry.
Hair Elf

corn in the bible posted:

I can't think of any MMORPG that has done this before, actually. Anyone who bought Morrowind in the last sale probably feels like a sucker, and they're right.

https://www.everquest2.com/expansion-content

quote:

You will recieve all previous expansions, including 2016's Kunark Ascending, at the same time you purchase Planes of Prophecy.

And if I'm not mistaken, all WoW expansions except their latest one (Legion) have been rolled into the base game.

dromal phrenia
Feb 22, 2004

These people would have lost their poo poo entirely on how Everquest did things, considering how many expansions they released and how many bundles would come with base game + XYZ expansions not long after. Here I am, paying $30 per expansion like a sucker, when this n00b got the game + 5 expansions for $50!!!

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Yeah EQ would bundle all previous expansions for a while like every expansion except the newest would be bundled and cost $15-30, but now you get every expansion except the last 2 for free (with their free tier of play even!) and you sub to get the new poo poo.

It's honestly a good model, they get dev money + profit, and new people aren't put off by a $200 price tag to get up to current level of game.

cams
Mar 28, 2003


i mean as long as i have morrowind and the warden permanently since i bought it, the gently caress do i care

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009

DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL
Those idiots who paid to see a movie in the theater must feel pretty dumb now that it's free on TV.

Mr Newsman
Nov 8, 2006
Did somebody say news?

Inspector 34 posted:

Those idiots who paid to see a movie in the theater must feel pretty dumb now that it's free on TV.

Wait you can watch them for free on TV?

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009

DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL
Well, eventually. Sometimes. And only if you own a TV.

I don't get the backlash that sometimes happens when an older product goes cheap or free. If you care enough to want to see/listen/play/use anything when it's released you will probably have to pay more than a person who is willing to wait a few months/years.

Just about every form of consumable media works this way. It doesn't mean the early people got ripped off, just means they care enough to pay more. Nothing wrong with that.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich
I just decided to buy morrowind over a eso+ subscription, and I feel pretty dumb, but it's an mmo and a really good ftp one as well and it happens.

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009

DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL
I do get being frustrated by the timing of things. Like last summer I decided to buy the game with Morrowind and paid full price directly from ESO, then 2 days later I found out there are discount codes and deals that I just wasn't aware of. That kind of sucked, but whatever, not worth getting bent out of shape over.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
I just queued up for a random dungeon on PS4 and waited an hour then gave up and quit :(

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

Stefan Prodan posted:

I just queued up for a random dungeon on PS4 and waited an hour then gave up and quit :(

If you queued up as a DPS then that's the norm. You'll have a much easier time if you go the magicka route and run a resto staff alongside your dps kit.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense




Games > The MMO HMO > Elder Scrolls Online: give the animals some kind of balls or something

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Scyantific posted:

If you queued up as a DPS then that's the norm. You'll have a much easier time if you go the magicka route and run a resto staff alongside your dps kit.

tank* the dungeon, brent

*actually slotting a taunt not guaranteed

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
Yeah I mean I'm a warden I could probably just queue as whatever, that's not a bad idea

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


You mean my 2018 car costs less one year later? THOSE THIEVES

Magmarashi
May 20, 2009





Yeah, uh, "I bought it at full price when it was new and everyone else should have to as well!" is a real loving :psyduck: hill to die on.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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As a repulsive nerd, I'm interested in the lore of the games I play and while I have participated in Cyrodiil and completed the Daggerfall Covenant storyline I'm still somewhat confused as to the context of the Alliance war (aside from a reason for PvP)

Specifically why Cyrodiil and particularly the Imperial City is such an important objective for the non-DC factions. The DC's motivation seems to be to restore the Second Empire and they consider Empress Tharn to be a pretender, so it makes sense that they'd be trying to seize the throne by force of arms.

But from what I can tell the Ebonheart Pact and Aldmeri Dominion are former provinces whose chief strategic interests are not to fall under the sway of the Empire or any attempt to remake the Empire. Which is fine but why do they need to control Cyrodiil or the Imperial City to do that? Is the assumption that the only way to secure their borders is to subjugate the Empire's traditional heartland by force? What exactly is either of their endgames assuming they win? Just form a new Empire but one ruled by Elves with maybe some Nords?

Sand Dan
May 15, 2017

welcum 2 our
sick cyberpunk h e l l
I'm gonna buy Summerset at full price :twisted:

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Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Magmarashi posted:

Yeah, uh, "I bought it at full price when it was new and everyone else should have to as well!" is a real loving :psyduck: hill to die on.

Also Morrowind+full game was 20 bux like a month after release.

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